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Ok the "should ethics be taught in hunter ed class" got me to thinking. What are your simple ethics and what do you think should be taught in a hunters ed class.

If you are going to teach it. Honestly I'm not to sure they should.

Here's a couple I feel would be on the list.

1. You shoot it you track it until you know it can't be recovered or it's still alive.

2.When in doubt don't shoot.

3.Leave only foot prints,take some garbage with you.

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Those are certainly the most basic. I think that peer pressure should also be increased to maintain proper ethics. I also feel that the recent decline in some people's ethics are the fact that so much land is being snapped up and posted drastically reducing the amount of available hunting grounds. When I first started hunting, you rang a doorbell, introduced yourself and politely asked for permission to hunt the land. You either got a yes or no. Now your threatened with trespassing before you even get to the door. I can somewhat understand this around someone's home but not out in the woods where there is nothing around for hundreds or thousands of acres.

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Charlie,
Awhile back you asked me what my ethics were and I posted what mine were.
I also think it should be common sense and a little good judgement as the times are changing.
Look at some of the hunting show's of the past and you see a deer strapped on the hood of a car. In today's world I can't see how that would benefit hunting. I can't see throwing it into the publics eye like that. Sure where I live hunting is part of the economy and life and it has a place and is more acceptable. But not in NYC.
Just like the Gay thing. Fine be Gay I don't care.
But just don't throw some parade with a bunch of half clothed Men and Women kissing and carrying on.
Just not good common sense.

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Charlie, those three items are a very good start to hunter ethics!
Other than those, I am a firm believer in obeying game laws. Many laws are different from state, to state. Or even region, to region. I don't have a problem with that! Obey the game laws of your area, not just the ones you agree with!
I also agree with what I'd call "courtesy ethics!" The dead deer on car tops, and distasteful Tee shirts, among other things, do nothing to promote our sport!
Remember, hunters are a minority, and I think that the anti's are an even smaller minority! It is the non-hunting, neutral, majority, that will eventually decide the fate of hunting in the future! Deliberatly doing things to offend them is not only un-ethical, it is unhealthy for the sport of hunting!

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# 4 Should be. If you didn't put the stand up you should never be in it !!!!!!!!!

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I agree with you charlie, however ethics cannot be taught. Ethics are personal and they are not set in stone. of course there are a lot of ethics that many people belive in, but you can never get everyone to belevie in the same things.

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A agree with the original 3, and would add

The size of the rack should not influence whether you take a shot or not
Passing a shot is OK. I CAN'T STAND people who start out by saying "I made a bad shot, but it was the only one I had"[:@]
And to bawanajims.....if you hang a stand and hardly hunt it, don't expect it to "reserve" your spot for all time.

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Sounds like good rules to me. Some other rules I like:

[ul][*] Never wear your dirty hunting clothes in public. Always carry a clean set to look presentable when going to eat, Wal-Mart, etc.[*] Don't put your stand and feeders RIGHT ON the fenceline.[*] Keep vehicles on maintained roads.[*] Don't strap the deer on the hood or anything similar. A lot of people don't like seeing dead animals.
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respect others property (do not trespass)

respect your quarry (no bloody pics, head shots, etc.)

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--- You kill it you clean it
--- Leave the woods as quiet as you came in (unless you have bambies dad's antlers raking the trees)
--- Poaching is as bad as THE ORIGINAL SIN
--- "Hunt where you want unless you are not wanted"
--- Dont let others pressure you into shooting something you wont be proud of

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rybohunter If you want to hang your stand in the tree next mine go for it .But you don't ever want me to find you in my tree stand.Is it also OK to hunt my bird dog when I'm at work and not using him.

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those are good ethics but there is alot more to it than that ;)

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I never said that was all there was to it.;)

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I agree with you Charlie.I think that when these kids are taking these hunting courses,they also should be drilling these kids on how the future of hunting rests on their shoulders.The importance of setting good examples for the younger generation which could be their younger brothers and sisters which = good ethics. They gotta fill these kids with information about how bad other people out there want this sport abolished.

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bawanajim,
I understand your point, as I have never hunted someone else's stand and won't, but some guys throw out a dozen stands and expect that to "hold" thier spot even if they aren't around. I think that is just as discourteous.

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On my lease we are required to hang one community stand and its nice to be able to hunt different spots. Try not being so territorial. Me and my hunting buddies are close and I think thats the way is should be if you are hunting with people you trust whats the big deal. Im all about everybody haveing a chance and if a big buck is killed out of my stand by one of my partners im just as proud of them as I would be of myself. I just think i must have done a good job hanging a winner. Trust your buddies or dont hunt with them.

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SO YOU WOULD HUNT MY DOG TOO!!

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good rules

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Question #1----------- What are my simple ethics? It would depend on the situation of course.
Question #2----------- What do I want to see taught in Hunters Ed?
I would make it a requirement that it is manadory to put 5 arrows in a pie plate at 20yrd before you receive a diploma in the Bowhunters ed class and also a more difficult field course assiociated with the Gun class. The requirements to pass these classes are so basic and the final exam is mostly common sense questions and if anyone fails the test, in my opinion, they have no need to be in the woods if you ask me. Bobby

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That's a great start. To majority of us, the basic ethics are common sense, but many hunters don't have that either. IMO, ethics is one of the biggest, if not the biggest aspect to preserve the sport for the future. 10% hunters, 10% anti-hunters, 80% neutral. We need to do everything we can to keep what we have, and hopefully gain more.

4. Dispose of game waste responsibly.

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You got it Ks and it could of not been said any better because it is up to us to try to pull that 80% on our side and if we set bad examples, then where does that leave our sport? If you can make a diff then volunteer. Good luck, Bobby ;)

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I guess i would hunt your dog if we were buddies and you trusted me. Seems like you have more of a problem with those you hunt with and not actual ethics.

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1. You shoot it you eat it.
2. You shot it go find it.
3. Take only sure shots.
4. Respect the fence. NEVER NEVER shoot over to anothers land.
5. Never shoot so your bullet is going across a fence line.
6. If you must track a wounded animal and it goes across a fence line, you must get permission before entering that property.
7. Never place a stand or a blind to hunt a fence line. Hunt your land.

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Ethics are something that can't be taught in a single class anyway. Ethics are something that you develope through life via family and friends.

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Well what the hell am I doing wasting my time instructing class? Well maybe some gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band (cb) relative will instill the way our family has always done it! [:@] Bobby

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Never target shoot when your bored out in the woods. Should be a serious fine if caught.

If you see another hunter in a tree or hunting you should stop in your tracks and walk in a different direction.

500.00 fine for littering and trash at all.

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Sorry 121553, didn't mean to offend you. But seriously, where did you pick up your ethics? I know that I didn't clone my views from a single "gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band relative" I took a tid bit from several "gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band relatives". You only develope morally sound ethics when you learn to love and respect the outdoors and everything that it consists of. That passion isn't found in a classroom. I've grown up around hunting all of my life, and although I don't agree 100% with any friend or relative, I do owe my ethical standpoint to them, because they were the ones who helped me develope my respect for the outdoors. (I can barely recall my hunters safety course). If you want to make a differance, take these kids hunting with you and teach them first hand.
I agree that we need to set good examples and teach what we can to each and every person that we come in contact with. I just don't think its this scenario vs. that scenario. It's all about what you feel inside. I try to convey that to all I come in contact with, especially those that have "gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band relatives" manipulating their young minds. Unfortunatly, the couple of kids I took out who had fathers like you so vividly explained, turned out just like their father. Wish my words and my ways could have changed theirs but the family bond is a powerfull thing. Fortunatly, potching laws are helping our sport weed out these types of influences around my parts. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply saying that in order to solve the problem you must get to the root of it, if you want to make a lasting impression.

Power to you fellas for trying. We need more like you!

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121553If you have this attitude in class maybe you are wasting your time teaching. You sound like your the only one with ethics.If you really think your going to change the way a family has hunted good or bad in a hunters safety course your mistaken.

you made this gem in the other thread:

So if Dad doesn't agree with everything your teaching he's a know it all?
Starting to sound like your the know it all.


What is wrong with this statement: Six kids I know all took the bow course when my son did this year,All scored 100% on their test.None of them really needed to take the course to be honest. I know all these kids are lucky to have fathers that spend time with them.

When my son went to shoot his bow the instructor say's to him who set that bow up it's all wrong. Well the bow was set up by a guy who has won nationals IFAA and has had a pro shop for twenty years. My son proceeded to put three in the eye at three different distances. Then say's to the instructor "I'm left handed." He's replies oh that's why it looked weird.

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Randy, no offense taken and I totally agree that we should be taught by family members or a good friend providing that those individuals have good ethics. Some youngsters are fortunate to have a mentor to teach them such qualities and some don't. What I am concerned about is those youngsters that don't have a mentor or a roll model to teach them the difference. I started bowhunting in '69 as I got introduced to the sport by a high skool friend, I didn't have any ethics at that time, I just wanted to get an animal. I just didn't know any better, I am ashamed to admit it but as I was growing up I had no respect for private property and tresspassed to hunt prime hog/deer, just because my buddies did it. I would go hunting and be hunted at the same time and finally got caught and spent the night in jail and was charged with armed tresspassing. Not too good. Got an attorney and got the charges dropped to simple tresspassing and now I have no criminal record supposely, but when I go across the border the question they ask me is, "If I have ever been arrested"? Why am I telling you this for? Because some kids grow up not knowing the difference and just accept what there peers do. That is why I made the comment about the gun toten, beer drinkin individual, sometimes we are taught a bad influence and just don't know the diff. I never had a dad to show me any difference and just learned hunting ethics from my friend, some friend right ? I am not tring to take the place of what ethics you as a dad is teaching as opposed to those individuals such as myself when I grew up when I wasn't near as fortunate to have a GOOD Mentor. I am tring to reach out to those kids that remind me of myself, not take your place as a dad. I just wanted you to know where I was coming from. Take care.

Charliep, I'm not even going to go there. Good Day!!!

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They need to start with Respect! To me if you have simple Respect that will get you going in the right direction. Young or Old!:)