And the outfitter called this hunting........
09-05-2002, 07:25 AM
#23
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Yeah Carpet I'm PETA- people eating tasty animals! LOL
Grouperhead- The purpose of this post wasn't to cause dissention in the ranks. Simply put is was a post about an experience I had. I was not rude to this outfitter, nor did I belittle him, I did however question the hunt when he said the "deer are so DOCILE I can really get them in close". I'll question anyone who hunts in a 400 acre pen. Hell, he said half of it is open so in reality you're only hunting 200 acres with feeding stations, pit and tower blinds, 5-6 hunters, etc. Seems more like shooting to me.
In the future, before you pass judgment, find out who your talking to. I'll put my days afield against yours any day.
Grouperhead- The purpose of this post wasn't to cause dissention in the ranks. Simply put is was a post about an experience I had. I was not rude to this outfitter, nor did I belittle him, I did however question the hunt when he said the "deer are so DOCILE I can really get them in close". I'll question anyone who hunts in a 400 acre pen. Hell, he said half of it is open so in reality you're only hunting 200 acres with feeding stations, pit and tower blinds, 5-6 hunters, etc. Seems more like shooting to me.
In the future, before you pass judgment, find out who your talking to. I'll put my days afield against yours any day.
09-05-2002, 08:00 AM
#24
Boone & Crockett
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Could you imagine walking into some guys house, and seeing a huge buck on his wall and asking him about it, and hearing he shot it at an operation like that?
It was a cold clear morning and I welcomed the sun as it crept over the ten foot chain link fence.The silence was broken by a red tailed hawk and the feeder turning on.I scanned the woods for any movement and then I saw it an ear tag slowly moving my way.lol.
To each his own, but if I'm spending $7,500 to huntI'll go some place wild.
It was a cold clear morning and I welcomed the sun as it crept over the ten foot chain link fence.The silence was broken by a red tailed hawk and the feeder turning on.I scanned the woods for any movement and then I saw it an ear tag slowly moving my way.lol.
To each his own, but if I'm spending $7,500 to huntI'll go some place wild.
09-05-2002, 08:22 AM
#25
Boone & Crockett
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Well heck there is just as much sport and pride in that type of harvesting(I refuse to call it hunting)as me going down to a cattle ranch, hanging my stand on the side of the barn and picking off a heifer coming in to feed. I bet the rancher would charge less also.
The Tazman aka Martin Price
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Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club
09-05-2002, 10:04 AM
#26
Nontypical Buck
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Well I don't see how 400 acres could be a pen. That's a healthy chunk of real estate right there.
Hey Tx, I know exactly what you are talking about and I think I would of felt the same way BUT for everyone to say that high fenced hunting is not hunting is rediculous. Just because a deer lives its entire life behind a game fence, does not mean that it is a pet. I HUNTED behind a high fence operation and it was an experience I will never forget. It was a 5,000 acre ranch and the deer were truely wild. I ended up coming home empty handed. The hunting was no different than hunting my 300 acre spread out of Madisonville exept of one thing. The bucks I saw on the high fenced ranch were 3 times bigger but the number of bucks I saw was the same as hunting my 300 acre low fenced operation. <u>The hunting was the same but the quality of bucks was different.</u> I think the sales pitch the guy gave you would not have impressed me one bit and I would of said no thanks. What I have a problem with is everyone throwing all high fenced operations into one box. There are some dang good ones out there where it is deffinately fair chase. Heck, alot of them don't even have feeders on them. Cahrlie P is a good example. He basically throws all high fenced hunts into one box and I bet you he has never hunted behind a high fence. Am I right Charlie?
Daily, lighten up a little. No ones out to get ya.
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Hey Tx, I know exactly what you are talking about and I think I would of felt the same way BUT for everyone to say that high fenced hunting is not hunting is rediculous. Just because a deer lives its entire life behind a game fence, does not mean that it is a pet. I HUNTED behind a high fence operation and it was an experience I will never forget. It was a 5,000 acre ranch and the deer were truely wild. I ended up coming home empty handed. The hunting was no different than hunting my 300 acre spread out of Madisonville exept of one thing. The bucks I saw on the high fenced ranch were 3 times bigger but the number of bucks I saw was the same as hunting my 300 acre low fenced operation. <u>The hunting was the same but the quality of bucks was different.</u> I think the sales pitch the guy gave you would not have impressed me one bit and I would of said no thanks. What I have a problem with is everyone throwing all high fenced operations into one box. There are some dang good ones out there where it is deffinately fair chase. Heck, alot of them don't even have feeders on them. Cahrlie P is a good example. He basically throws all high fenced hunts into one box and I bet you he has never hunted behind a high fence. Am I right Charlie?
Daily, lighten up a little. No ones out to get ya.
****I'd rather be a fence post in Texas than a corn boy in Ohio****
09-05-2002, 10:16 AM
#27
Typical Buck
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
What a sore point. We all do have some degree of tolerance , it is a matter of where your personel taste draws the line. The money gig is strange to me that some people have a if costs to much its not sporting attitudes. How about a fly in for 20k or more. Try Siberia for polar bear. 20k for a liscense. Wonder what a Tiger liscense costs. They do exist!! WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE is the real quandery.
09-05-2002, 10:43 AM
#28
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Johnny,No I didn't lump them together I stated <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Could you imagine walking into some guys house, and seeing a huge buck on his wall and asking him about it, and hearing he shot it at an operation like that? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>An operartion "like that" not one like your talking about.
In many other threads I have stated I have no problem with large operations.If I have to I'll find them and post them.
What seperates the type of operation you hunted at, and this one?This statement from the owner does it for me <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>He proceeds to tell me his hunts are guaranteed, no kill, no fee and that many of his deer are already purchased. He sends out videos of deer and lets you choose which one you want to shoot. In addition, he says he is really set up for the bow hunter because the animals are so docile that he can get them to come in really close. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
You asked a question and I'll answer it. No I have never hunted behind a high fence.Would I ? It would depend on the place.I would hunt at some of the places that I have checked out.Large parcels that allow the deer to breed and feed naturally.Places that don't guarentee me a kill or let me pick out the deer before I get there.Places that are wild.That's why I also said this <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>To each his own, but if I'm spending $7,500 to huntI'll go some place wild. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Would I hunt at a place like this operation? Not if you paid for it?
Do you still think I'm a good example?
In many other threads I have stated I have no problem with large operations.If I have to I'll find them and post them.
What seperates the type of operation you hunted at, and this one?This statement from the owner does it for me <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>He proceeds to tell me his hunts are guaranteed, no kill, no fee and that many of his deer are already purchased. He sends out videos of deer and lets you choose which one you want to shoot. In addition, he says he is really set up for the bow hunter because the animals are so docile that he can get them to come in really close. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
You asked a question and I'll answer it. No I have never hunted behind a high fence.Would I ? It would depend on the place.I would hunt at some of the places that I have checked out.Large parcels that allow the deer to breed and feed naturally.Places that don't guarentee me a kill or let me pick out the deer before I get there.Places that are wild.That's why I also said this <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>To each his own, but if I'm spending $7,500 to huntI'll go some place wild. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Would I hunt at a place like this operation? Not if you paid for it?
Do you still think I'm a good example?
09-05-2002, 01:14 PM
#29
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Ha ha dont worry about me im just good at arguments. Which can be good, but really the only reason im being subservient is because people that lack knowledge in certain things pertaining to hunting they should be obsequious to those who have it.
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As will I...............
txbowhntr qoute: (in n the future, before you pass judgment, find out who your talking to. I'll put my days afield against yours any day.)
As will I...............
09-05-2002, 02:50 PM
#30
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RE: And the outfitter called this hunting........
Personally, I wouldn't do it. One reason is that $7500 is a lot of truck payments, but it is legal in many states (Texas <u>and</u> others.) What the guy does within the confines of the law is his business. If I don't agree with it, he won't get any $'s from me.
We oughtta have some real "trigger topics" to drive more wedges within the hunting community. [/sarcasm] <font size=1>...fng 2002</font id=size1>
Baiting + blinds + caliber + compound bows + crossbows + dogs + drives + electronic calls + feeders + fences + longbows + pistols + any other controversial issues that escape me at the moment = <font size=4>Wanna Fight??</font id=size4> <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - GoTres on 09/05/2002 15:52:30
We oughtta have some real "trigger topics" to drive more wedges within the hunting community. [/sarcasm] <font size=1>...fng 2002</font id=size1>
Baiting + blinds + caliber + compound bows + crossbows + dogs + drives + electronic calls + feeders + fences + longbows + pistols + any other controversial issues that escape me at the moment = <font size=4>Wanna Fight??</font id=size4> <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - GoTres on 09/05/2002 15:52:30