Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
12-09-2004, 01:46 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
.308 if you's of stayed in school you would have comprehended what has been said here.
#1--- energy is not what kills.
#2--- wound channels do
#3--- bigger bullets leave bigger wound channels.
#4--an expanded bullet leaves a bigger wound channel, and what expands a bullet ? VELOCITY.
So you see my little grass hopper, on a whitail deer my little 100 gr bullet traveling faster than your 165 gr bullet is going to expand more leaving a bigger wound channel. At a 100 yds the difference will not be noticable, but at 3-4- 5 hundred yds when your pea shooting .308 is falling off the scale and hitting dirt my .243 with 2200 fps velocity@500 yds is gonna mushroom and blow right through a whitail and kill better.
Ha Ha ! your wrong.
#1--- energy is not what kills.
#2--- wound channels do
#3--- bigger bullets leave bigger wound channels.
#4--an expanded bullet leaves a bigger wound channel, and what expands a bullet ? VELOCITY.
So you see my little grass hopper, on a whitail deer my little 100 gr bullet traveling faster than your 165 gr bullet is going to expand more leaving a bigger wound channel. At a 100 yds the difference will not be noticable, but at 3-4- 5 hundred yds when your pea shooting .308 is falling off the scale and hitting dirt my .243 with 2200 fps velocity@500 yds is gonna mushroom and blow right through a whitail and kill better.
Ha Ha ! your wrong.
12-09-2004, 02:14 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
heres the comparo again little grass hopper.
-----velocity---------- muzzle----100----200----300----400---500
243 85 gr Sierra------3320-----3070--2830---2600--2380--2180
.308 150 nos Partition-2840-----2600--2380---2170--1960--1770
----energy-
243----------------------2080------1770--1510--1280---1070---890-
308----------------------2680------2255---1880--1560--1285---1050
bullet drop@ 200 yd zero-----300yds---400yds---500yds-
243-------------------------------5.5------16.1-------32.8
308--------------------------------8-------23.4-------47.9
wind drift----------------------300yds----400yds---500yds
.243 85gr-------------------------6.3-----11.6-------18.8
.308 150 gr-----------------------8.1-----15.1-------24.8
So you see the choice is obvious for whitail deer. At the longer ranges the .243 surpasses the .308 by far,with its velocity and accuracy . the bullet will expand more leaving a bigger wound channel and killing faster. the .308 drops significantly more,making longer shots harder.
Remember enrey is not what kills , wound channels do. Bigge wound channels with increased velocity will create hydro staic shock and kill even quicker.
Ya you better sell it and buy some education. LOL.
-----velocity---------- muzzle----100----200----300----400---500
243 85 gr Sierra------3320-----3070--2830---2600--2380--2180
.308 150 nos Partition-2840-----2600--2380---2170--1960--1770
----energy-
243----------------------2080------1770--1510--1280---1070---890-
308----------------------2680------2255---1880--1560--1285---1050
bullet drop@ 200 yd zero-----300yds---400yds---500yds-
243-------------------------------5.5------16.1-------32.8
308--------------------------------8-------23.4-------47.9
wind drift----------------------300yds----400yds---500yds
.243 85gr-------------------------6.3-----11.6-------18.8
.308 150 gr-----------------------8.1-----15.1-------24.8
So you see the choice is obvious for whitail deer. At the longer ranges the .243 surpasses the .308 by far,with its velocity and accuracy . the bullet will expand more leaving a bigger wound channel and killing faster. the .308 drops significantly more,making longer shots harder.
Remember enrey is not what kills , wound channels do. Bigge wound channels with increased velocity will create hydro staic shock and kill even quicker.
Ya you better sell it and buy some education. LOL.
12-09-2004, 02:16 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
ORIGINAL: minnesotahunter
Wow, this is stupid. 3 different forums about the same thing, with the same people arguing the same argument. What a waste of hard-drive space!
Wow, this is stupid. 3 different forums about the same thing, with the same people arguing the same argument. What a waste of hard-drive space!
Just having some fun with Br.308 thats all.
12-09-2004, 03:57 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
ENERGY (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 100 PSP CLU 1945 1629 1356 1120 917 745
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 150 PSP CLU 2648 2159 1744 1394 1102 864
ZREX u have a little more velocity but have no energy to do anything when it hits....if its such a great long distance rifle why dont the snipers use them.....i think they use my 308 dont they
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 100 PSP CLU 1945 1629 1356 1120 917 745
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 150 PSP CLU 2648 2159 1744 1394 1102 864
ZREX u have a little more velocity but have no energy to do anything when it hits....if its such a great long distance rifle why dont the snipers use them.....i think they use my 308 dont they
12-09-2004, 04:00 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
just incase u didnt see my question i asked u 2 days ago here it is again
ok ZREX i have a question to ask u if it is velocity that kills not energy what would u rather take on a big game hunt ur .243 or a 308 or a 30-06 id like to see u shoot a 1000+lb bull with ur 243.....the thing will probly laugh at u...............I REST MY CASE ITS ENERGY NOT VELOCITY
u miswell shoot a buffalo too with all ur velocity
ok ZREX i have a question to ask u if it is velocity that kills not energy what would u rather take on a big game hunt ur .243 or a 308 or a 30-06 id like to see u shoot a 1000+lb bull with ur 243.....the thing will probly laugh at u...............I REST MY CASE ITS ENERGY NOT VELOCITY
u miswell shoot a buffalo too with all ur velocity