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I take it you have not found this deer.
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hey nub, let me just say this. ummmm, lets see, ummmmm, ok. lol.. Through thickets, scratched up face, legs, arms, on my knees, through chit, water, and when I should have been in MY OWN stand, I FOUND THE DEER!!!! What happened next is all on my bro, lol......
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P.S. If I find that deer again, it's MINE!!!!!!
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wouldnt the deer basically drown with a shot like that?? the cavity would fill with blood to much pressure on the heart and lungs and he would die...hed basically drown in his own blood....and if it was above the lungs i think the shock would went into the spine and he would dropped like a brick..just my guestimating though...and if you went above and missed everything the livers right there.....a liver hit deer dies quick too....not always instant or anything but not a day later....id like to hear about the find and obtopsy......be neat to hear....i just cant see a slug going through the whole body cavity and the deer not dying.....that blows my mind.......you been looking or what???? if he wasnt pushed since you seen him and staggerd he was slowly dying...hes there somewhere.....go look for him!!!! good luck......id like to hear about this one........
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Well, have you found it or not? I am wondering.??
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I'm confused ! did he or didn't he find that deer?
I sure hope so.If it's as big as he say's I'm sure he'd be telling us all about it . nubo |
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Like others here I am confused his "bro" says he found the deer, well rackassasin did you all find the deer or not? If you did where was the actual hit? I would love to see some pics to, of course I am one to talk, I still haven't developed the pics of the 7 pointer I killed the first of the month!
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We walk up on the buck on his death bed 23 hours after the shot. He was holed up where he decided to give up. We were in shock when the deer struggles to get up...It had to take him 5 seconds to get to his feet he was totally disoriented. He was banging into trees and then he begins to walk away and then picked up pace. I should have ran and jumped on him but i froze because he seemed to be so week and i thought he was done and would fall over Mauser, Lungs, diagrham and guts would have been hit with the shot depending on the angle of the shot. |
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From the sounds of it he didn't go back and won't,
I wish i was using those split copper sabots. I will from now on. I bet they do a much better job. I don't think the sluggers tear anything....just fly right through. Those copper ones fold open on impact....would have opened him open real good...I'm done with sluggers. You missed it happens, but the deer died of that I'm sure. |
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Biggest buck of your life....and you haven't kept looking for him?
HE IS DEAD...no doubt. In fact...if things unfolded the way you stated, my bet is he is less than 100yds from where you last jumped him. If you didn't go and find him, thats pathetic. I kept waiting to see your post about how you found him. :( |
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Charlie I agree whole heartedly, there is no way he hit that buck straight on with a 12 gauge slug in the chest, as you stated, even if the slug did not directly contact lungs/heart/arteries, the shock would have turned them into mush. He either gutshot him or he hit the shoulder and tore it up! If he gut shot it, its dead, if he did hit it in the shoulder straight on it is probably dead also, but I have seen more than one deer recover from being shot in the ham or shoulder, usually though they have one heck of a limp, I have also seen 3 legged deer.
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Like others here I am confused his "bro" says he found the deer |
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It sure would be nice to kow if he found the deer. I would give him maybe 50-75 yards out of the water. Heck, if he'd pay for my plane ticket, I'd go out there to help him find it. It sounds like a big one. "Bro" you have got to get out there and get this deer. There's no way that it's still alive. Not after acting the way that it did. It's got to be down and down for good!
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A dog would've helped out a lot, especially after 24 hours.
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I hope you have not stopped looking:(. That deer is likely dead out there, and you owe it to the life you may have taken and to yourself to give every possible effort to retrieve it.
I have been in that situation before on the last day of deer season....I shot a nice buck and knew I had hit him good, but there was no blood trail, hair, or any sign of a hit. I was so sure he was dead that I called the GW and said I would go out looking for it....he said it was fine as long as I didn't take a gun along. After A FULL day and a half of hard searching, we found my buck.....a 205 pound 8 point. Start from the last place where the buck was seen, and do a THOROUGH grid type search. Start in small diameter circles, marking off points as you go. You may find nothing more than a rack and some bones at this point, but it is your responsiblity to at least give the effort. Hoping for an update soon! |
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You owe the deer and your self!!!!!!!!! Now go find him. You should be able to follow your nose. Your post was on the 12th today is the 18th. He should be tellin you where he is very soon.
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Well you got us all waiting! Did you find it or not? Been following this thread for days now hoping for some good news.
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Pretty clear from 'bro's last update that they found the deer. Now if we could just get the details - he implies a good story......COMMON RACK GIVE IT UP!
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He was talking about the time they found the deer still alive and it got away because they had no gun with them.
They have not found the deer or they would have told us by now. That deer also was gut shot for sure and not shot through the chest.....no matter what the crosshairs said. A chest shot deer does not live 24 hours. Too bad.....sounded like a nice deer. |
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Come on Rack, put some closure on this one way or the other.
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Coyote food by now. Tough luck but at least you did try and props on having enough sack to tell the tale. Hopefully we all learned a few things from your experince.
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Rack...I guess I really don't mean to rip on you specifically, but I think that this is another case of someone seeing a "big buck" and then shooting when not even knowing the any specifics...just shoot and hope he goes down. You said when you started tracking him that he ended up being only 30 yards from you. 30 yards?? and you don't know exactly where you hit him? At 30 yards, you could easily taken an extra 2 seconds to let him turn broadside to you for a high percentage shot. You said he was standing there facing your tree....I believe. Well if the buck was standing there...he was calm and you SHOULD HAVE WAITED for a better shot. If he wasn't calm, and all of a sudden took off and you didn't end up with a shot, well then he did. Point is.....only take high percentage shots!!!! If you have to let a B&C or P&Y buck or even a doe walk because you don't have a good shot......then you have to let it go. You owe it to yourself and you owe it to the animal. I'm sorry, but I just have heard of so many big bucks, doe, fawns etc... running around on 3 legs, limping because of an a$$ shot, guts hangin out, found dead because a hunter couldn't retreive the animal, so on and so on because people don't have enough self discipline to take a "GOOD" shot. Don't think for a minute that I think that I am holyier(sp?) than all because of the things that I have said, but fact remains that in 12 years of deer hunting(gun and bow), I haven't lost a deer. If I don't get a broadside shot, I don't shoot. I've had to let a lot of deer go, but if that's what it takes...that's what it takes.
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ORIGINAL: rackassasin sorry for the delay guys...I'm not really feeling too good about this whole thing. I haven't found him yet but I am definately not giving up. I will keep searching. My brother has been very sick with the flu and my buddy didn't come through yet on helping me search...and then there is work....so it's been tough....not to muention how thick it is in the last direction he headed. I will search again this week when I'm not working. Once again...I truly believe I shot this deer in the chest. He was facing me head on and I could see him very clearly. I concentrated and stayed calm and let the shot off very smoothly without moving. I was confident I hit him good. The hair on the ground was directly under where his chest was. There was also marks where he spun around after the shot. There was a nice amount of blood where he initially stopped roughly 50- 60 yards from the shot. If he was gut shot I don't know if there would have been much blood but depends on the exact point of impact. You know...If I didn't think I would have found him I would never have posted. I am disappointed and I know everyone doesn't like this. I don't know what to say really. I apologize. I tried. I didn't take a running shot. I didn't think it was a bad shot. I fully expected it to take him down. I feel bad. I will update when i find this deer. We could see what direction he went and he was most likely a large deer because the tops of the trees were moving that he was banging into and they were decent sized tall trees. I am bummed because I did see his horns sticking up when he moved when i first spotted him and I am pretty sure he was a big one. When he first tried to get to his feet and he looked me directly in the face I kinda went into shock so it was hard to focus...it was like a bad dream. I was certain i was going to find him dead and then that happened. I could tell that my brother was shocked too by the way he reacted and the tone of his voice. My opinion is that the buck was very strong. I have no other explanation. There are alot of "good shots". One of the best is a deer quartering away from you at a slight angle. Another factor is how good a shot you are. Don't for one minute think that the only "good" shot is broad side. Pass that rubish on somewhere else........ |
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Easy now boy.....easy...... There are alot of "good shots". One of the best is a deer quartering away from you at a slight angle. Another factor is how good a shot you are. Don't for one minute think that the only "good" shot is broad side. Pass that rubish on somewhere else........ Ok...granted I didn't go into every single angle that a deer could be standing for a high percentage shot, but you have to be crazy to not think that a broadside shot isn't the best shot at a deer out in the woods. I'd take a broadside, double lung shot at a deer anyday over ANY other angle. Bow or gun. The other factor of being a good shot.?. If your not a good shot, hit the range until you are. Bow hunters(well most that are worth a s**t), don't buy a bow the day before the season, practice for 10 min and then sit in a tree stand and "attempt" to hunt. But it can happen very easily with gun guys. I know two of those this year. They bought a gun, got it bore sighted, hit the range for 10 min..."It's dead on at 100....I'm ready to go". LOL What a joke!! That was the main point I was trying to get across. This goes out to the beginners in either the sport of bowhunting or gun hunting....Be an archer or a gun shooter before you step into the woods to be a "Deer" hunter. Certainly doesn't mean that nothing can go wrong, but atleast you will know what your weapon does and what it's capable of before you step into the woods. |
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If you are a good shot you don't HAVE to limit yourself to broadside shots. I see absolutely nothing wrong with shooting a calm deer facing you at 30 yds. with a gun. With a bow, it's a different story. But there is nothing wrong with the shot he took....only the fact he didn't make a good hit. It's easier to hit the vitals on a 30 yd. frontal shot than on a 100 yd. broadside simply due to the range.
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But there is nothing wrong with the shot he took....only the fact he didn't make a good hit. It's easier to hit the vitals on a 30 yd. frontal shot than on a 100 yd. broadside simply due to the range. Rack I am sorry to hear you never caught up with him and it can & does happen...a shame but part of hunting to a degree. All we can do is learn from these experiences & hopefully it won't happen again. Best of luck on finding what is left of him. |
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I don't think he hit the vitals either. The buck is not going to be alive to be jumped out of his bed if the vitals were hit. The deer was probably quartering toward him and he hit guts....
I just meant that a frontal shot at that range is acceptable to me, personally. A bad shot is a bad shot, unfortunately....whether frontal or broadside. If he made a bad hit at that range, he may have made a bad hit regardless of the shot angle given him. Like you said, you have to be confident you can make the shot, or you shouldn't shoot. But, bad things do happen and I hate that Rack lost a very good deer. But I do commend the effort to retrieve him. At this point, it's all he can do. Hard lesson learned. |
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Not meaning to open a can of worms
But I can't believe nobody caught what really happened here.The answer to the poor shot is not the placement ,but the terrain. The big B word and it don't stand for buck.(Brush)I believe what happenned here is that he hit a branch of some sort that deflected the slug.causing a misplaced shot. just my 2 cents tanner1 |
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take the scope away from my eye and look again for maybe ten seconds and i pick him out in the brush. I put the scope on him and he's a big racker. A bruiser for this area. I took the only shot i had... a front on chest shot. |
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That's a really good observation Tanner. I never really even thought of that, because I would really hope that a person wouldn't take that type of shot at an animal. Big buck or not!! I wish Rack were around to clear some of this up for us.
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Lazyarcher...........how can a shotgun sighted in at 100 yards be low at 30? Wouldn't it necessarily have to be high?...........dabow
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No, dabowhunter, the scope may sit an inch or more above the barrel, so the slug starts out low, and then rises up to the crosshairs at the distance the gun is sighted in for. Of course it doesn't really rise, it drops immediately, but the barrel is tilted upwards, shooting the slug up towards the cosshairs. Of course your scope would have to be mounted 6 inches above the barrel for the theory abovee to make sense, or be aiming at the bottom one inch of the deer's chest.
Here's my thoughts on this one. A frontal shot at 30 yards with a shotgun is a piece of cake, I'd take it every time. Nothing wrong with that shot. The idea that this deer is just "very strong" is ridiculous, no deer is "strong" enough to absorb a shotgun slug through the chest and live overnight, and then get up and run away. Just silly. Either you hit brush, or just made a bad shot, but you hit the gut, or somewhere else outside the chest. Probably never know. It happens to everybody, it sounds like you gave it an honest effort for a few days and looked pretty good. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it anymore, the only thing you'll find now is a carcass, the meat is certainly bad, you've lost the deer. If your curious what kind of rack you lost, by all means look some more, but maybe it's better you don't find it, ya know? Every time you see it you'll be reminded of the nice buck you lost. Anything you owe the animal is well past, the deer doesn't care at this point if you cut the rack off, or if the mice chew on it over the winter. |
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Rack, I really feel yout pain! I thought about this thread Saturday evening after I took a shot at a six pointer! After I went to the spot I last saw him, I found only what appeared to be gut matter! I decided not to try to push him, because he ran into a really thick pine thicket! Whatever is not pine in there is briar! I went back to camp and got some warmer clothes and two flash lights, figuring to search until the batteries died on the first one , then use the second one to get out of the thicket with!
I searched and did not find anything in the thicket. So I figured I'd have to make a 2 hour drive home and return the next morning to search again. Just as I was about to run out of flashlight, I found another small speck of mater. About 20 yards later, there he lay! As it turned out I made a pretty good lung shot, but he did not bleed a drop, just the matter ( I guess I may have clipped the intestines on this quartering shot! I had a really good ending and hope that you can get closure on your shot too! For a while I did not think that I'd ever find him, and if you saw this thicket he was in, you'd see that I was really fortunate to ever find him! Anyway good luck in your search! You have went a lot further in your search that a lots of other hunters would have! |
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I had the same problem this October
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Sorry, I forgot the picture. I shot this buck this October. I shot it with a 100 grain Muzzy from 30 yards away quartered. I thought I missed because the buck walked away and the arrow was deep in the ground. I went to get my arrow an hour later and saw massive amounts of blood. I waited several hours before tracking and the blood trail went from a horror movie, to drops, to pin points. I marked my last spot with tape because it started to rain and there was no more blood. I found it two days later by walking in circles from where I last marked it. I was able to find it by smell and crows. I was glad to recover it , but it was chewed up bad and the meat was garbage. I had just nicked the lung and it had exited out the center of the chest. The deer was dead the day I hit it and was found only twenty yards from where I last marked blood. Needless to say it was too small for club rules and cost me a $100.00 fine but it was a nice buck anyway. It had gone onto another property and the landowner would only allow us to track does on his property (what an as#hole)but the second day after I shot it I snuck onto the land and recovered it. This thread made me think of it. I also jumped my buck while tracking it and thought it would drop.
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Rackassain, I know it seems like a lot of folks are in your case, and maybe I was among them;)when we hadn't heard anything for days. We were not there so all we can do is guess what may have happened. I am glad you have come back with explanantions and advising us that the search still continues. I have been VERY lucky over the years and have never lost one, I hope it never happens, but it could, and if it did I would feel sick just like you do now. Hang in there man, even if you don't find the deer I am sure you will become a better hunter from the lessons you have learned from this one.
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Rack...I also want to apologize to you about seeming to come down hard on you about the situation. I'm VERY glad that your still looking. Not really for anything but peace of mind and to find out what happened.
Not to group you into this, but I just see and hear of sooo many deer that are gravely wounded because someone didn't take the time nor showed any self discipline on making a good shot, that I just get a little too fired up. Bad shots are going to happen...don't get me wrong. But the guys you hear of shooting at a deer that's running at Mach 8 over an open field and 5 guys are unloading on it....just down right p*sses me off!! Or a guy that says...."The only shot I had at him was while he was walking away. GRRRRRRRRRR "But he was HUGE, you should have seen him". I'm sure you know what I mean. If I had a hunting camp, you would be welcome to hunt it anytime. LOL Merry Christmas!! |
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