Shot placement and Hornady interlock ?
 

With a 3006 at 200 yards with a 150 gr. bullet be good to take a shoulder shot with the Hornady interlock ?
What about 100 yards as well ?

Any place that is vital would be a good place to put the bullet. Deer ain't bulletproof and the Hornady is a fine bullet for deer. The range has absolutely nothing to do with it. Put a Hornady into the vital area and you can get the skinning knife ready. I can't even begin to count the number of game animals I've put down with a 162 gr Hornady BTSP out of my 7mm Mag at ranges up to 400 yards.

Good to hear cause' I just got some !
Federal 150 gr left a small exit at 70 yards last year.
He went 15 yards (it was the power shok feds.)
I'm wanting something to hold together to give an exit.

Thank you for your reply !

I don't know what you expect in an exit hole, I would like to know what you consider small. A deer that only went 15 yards and dropped is a well hit deer and not a deer that would get away. Some deer will drop in their tracks, some will not, I have had many of both. I really don't get your complaint about the federal ammo you used because your deer went 15 yards before it fell. They all do not fall down like they were pole axed. Yesterday you wanted to know if a bonded bullet would do what you want because you had a deer drop 20 yards after it was hit and one by your son go 100 yards. I am trying to understand what you expect. Ther exit hole doesn't mean all that much, a lethal shot is a lethal shot and by the time a bullet makes an exit hole the damage has been done on the inside, the lungs will still be soup in the chest cavity regardless of the size of the exit hole, if bone is not hit, it is not unusual for the exit hole only to be a little larger than the entrance hole. A huge exit hole with a bad hit doesn't mean a thing and a small exit hole with a good hit doesn't mean much either. It appears you are looking for a magic bullet, there is no such thing. I suspect you do not have much experience based on your posts but as long as you are using a cartridge from a reputable manufacture of a large enough caliber, the hunt for a super bullet is a waste of time, placing the round in the right location in the animal is what you want to count on.

Only place I put my shots. Blow out the shoulder, or ever so slightly behind it.

What you are saying is true in every way.
It seems like I'm looking for magic but I'm not.
I'm very thankful for success, please don't get me wrong.
I want a bullet that holds together and gives me an exit with plenty of blood just in case.
The 270 win. Kill was in the morning , I had time to look.
For evening hunts I want blood for just in case.
My buck didn't bleed and it was almost dark, I'm thankful he didn't leave the field.
Yeah it sounds crazy ! I'll get it together and I'll keep experimenting until get the right formula.

Now , at 200 yards with a 3006 150 gr. interlock soft point, shoulder , behind the shoulder or front chest ?

I really appreciate everyone's time and please forgive my ignorance !
Just fishing for answers !

Behind the shoulder, a brisket shot is iffy and a lot of deer are lost in that shot, not saying it won't kill but if you have another shot, take it.

I don't use many bonded bullets for deer or black bear, reason being you don't need them, any decent cup core bullet should penetrat a deer deep enough to hit the vitals, you hit the vitals its a dead deer, some folks want an exit, have no idea why. they say it leaves a better blood trail......Hogwash!! a deer hit in the lungs will blow just as much blood out of the nose/mouth after the lungs fill with blood as will leak out of the exit hole after and if the chest cavity fills with blood to above the exit hole.
best results I have came up with is to hold off the heavy shoulder bone the first 150 yards, by then the bullet has slowed down enough that it will make the trip through both shoulders.
high velocity impacts are what keeps a bullet from exiting, the higher the velocity at impact, the harder the point of impact is the less chance the bullet will exit, bonded bullets expand like any other, the bonding is the same principle that plumbers use with soldering flux, the lead sticks to the copper and stays togather, long as its still togather it may become a mass of twisted lead and copper but if its not losing weight it keeps it momentum.
Interlocks have a ring on the inside to keep the lead core from slipping in the jacket, hit something hard enough to disrupt that ring and it will separate, so stay off heavy bone till the bullet slows down, deer are not hard to kill.
RR

While I also prefer an exit wound, it isn't vital in killing game or even recovering game. It is the damage the bullet does to the vitals that kills game and not the number of holes in the hide. A hit that resulted in a dead deer in 15 yards is a very good hit. Not every animal will drop at the shot. Most will run since the instinct to flee is natural to them and they will cover some ground before the brain runs out of oxygen. You can blow the heart completely in pieces but the brain will still function for a little while. This is why it is very important to follow up every shot and be aware that you may find very little or even no blood at the beginning. I once tracked a bull elk almost 200 yards and never saw a single drop of blood on the ground but he was deader than Hollywood morals when I found him. Some animals simply bleed internally. It is rare, but it does happen sometimes.

The only way to ensure every deer shot drops right there is to break both front shoulders, spine them or brain them. None of them are ideal shots as far as I am concerned. Both the spine and the brain are small targets and can easily be missed and a shot that takes out both front shoulders ruins too much meat. In my opinion a shot that is just behind the shoulder about 1/3- 1/2 the way up the chest will take out the lungs and maybe the heart and will quickly kill the animal without ruining too much meat. If an animal is quartering the bullet should be placed in such a manner that the far shoulder will be hit. Such a shot has to penetrate the vitals before reaching the shoulder without regard as to what the angle is.

Remember, every shot is unique and every animal is unique and you can't expect them to react the same way every time.

The frontal shot is deadly no doubt if you do your part, but if the bullet goes above the heart, between the lungs, through the liver the deer is dead no doubt, however, more than likely the deer 1) will make the 60-100 death dash, and 2) he has 1 bullet hole in the front, on the death sprint centifrugal force will hold the blood in the rear of the chest cavity 3) most of the time the deer will be shot quartering to so the bullet will more than likely be lodged in the ham keeping the blood trail down to a minimum.
a dead deer doesn't mean much if you can't find it.
RR

The only ways to get a sure DRT shot is a double shoulder shot (which ruins plenty of meat) or a spine or head shots (which are iffy at best, and most hunters should not try.)
Every now and then a double lung shot deer will drop, not often.
I also like a good exit wound for tracking. I have had two deer that were very hard to find, the reasoning was NOT the bullet, but a high double lunger with small exits. These deer did not go any farther than others did, they just bled out internally! As RR said, deer are not that hard to kill. Interlocks, Partitioners and good old Core-Locts work just fine.
Just stay away from frangible bullets and bullets designed for 1000 lb. animals, neither will work well for whitetail sized animals.

As already stated by Ridgerunner, any of the medium game bullets that will mushroom well and hold their weight well will be a good choice for deer sized game. The Hornady Interlock is one of these bullets. As far as performance, if the deer drops in its tracks, great. Better yet, if it runs 100 yards, preferably towards my truck, before dropping I am OK with that.

Now we are getting somewhere ! OK , so are you saying that at 150 yards I can take the shoulders. ?
And at 200 , behind the shoulder ?

I never even thought that I could trail blood by the nose and mouth
Man ! This is good stuff and I reeeeally! appreciate it.

You guys are now helping me get this thing together.

My only choice now for 7 mm08 is accubonds because they are sold out of everything else in my neck of the woods.
I had bought some ttsxs and the bullets spin in the casings.

And I have interlocks for my 3006 now.

So with accubonds and interlocks I should take shoulders at 100 and 150 yards and behind the shoulder at longer shots.

Vitals will be hit either way

I thank all of you guys for sharing your experiences !

That's why for frontal shots you aim at the neck patch. Have dropped 100% of those shots that way.

White oak I have no idea where you got that at one distance you shoot for the shoulder and at another you shoot behind the shoulder but no one even came close to saying that and it makes no sense what-so-ever. The point of aim has nothing to do with the distance you are shooting. I am really begining to wonder if your posts are serious or trolling. Have you ever really killed a deer or are you just blowing smoke?

what I do, is stay off the shoulder till the distance slows the bullet down enough to not fragment the bullet, the higher the velocity the greater the distance is that I do not shoulder shoot. behind the shoulder is a dead, easily tracked deer every time with anything.
I shoot a lot of high intensity cartridges, I've killed many deer with cup/core bullets in excess of 3500 fps, they kill deer "deader than raid" but destroy a lot of meat and make one helluva mess with center shoulder hits, increase the distance to 500 yards and that changes only because the bullet is moving slower and doesn't hit as hard.
the accubonds will do fine with any shot at 7/08 velocities on deer, the interlocks may fragment at close range from the '06, for wood hunting inside 200yards I always try to take a double lung shot, when I break out the long range rigs and the shot comes at 700 yards or farther I always hold either center shoulder or if quartering the point of aim is to break the offside shoulder
here in an exit from a whitetail shot with an accubond at 702 yards

hope I clarified my opinion
RR

No I'm not "trolling" whatever that means !
I am asking because I don't know if it makes a difference in impact velocities.

Will the bullet fully expand at closer range , say 60 yards

I'm trying to figure out how these bullets work at different velocities, the construction of these different bullets and make them work to my advantage !

Forget about it !!!!!

Good grief
Now see that's what I'm trying to understand !
So it does a better job the slower it's going to some extent ?

velocity and resistance is what expands bullets, it also causes what we call bloodshot meat. the higher the impact velocity the faster a bullet expands. the farther a bullet travels before impact the more it slows down, this is why I refrain from heavy bone shots at close range.
deer are considered light thin skinned medium game, the premium controlled expansion bullets expand slower than cup core bullets, in they're designed window on velocity they expand just like cup/core bullets, just they perform in a higher velocity window.
cup/core bullets work best from 2500-2800 fps, premiums do the same at 3100-3300 fps, at slower velocities they expand less, basicly your looking for a happy medium on deer sized game, to find a "happier" medium with mid level cartridges, just stay off the shoulder till the bullet slows a bit, in the smaller cartridges you can get by with solid hits closer.
RR

I've used Hornady Interlock bullets for years with great success in .243, .270, 7-08, and 30-06 for whitetails, mulies, pronghorn and black bear at ranges from literally point blank to over 400 yards. As several have said a premium bullet isn't necessary. What I've done that works for me is to visualize a ball in the deer's chest between the shoulders with the center just behind the shoulder. I aim for the center of that 'ball' no matter the angle. Putting the bullet in this location I've never lost an animal. And most that were broadside or quartering away were DRT.

Interlock 3006 150 gr. Is 2392 fps at 200 yards

Good deal and A men to your signature !

What'd I tell you before? :biggrin:

For double shoulders with standard bullets stay with 180s in the 06 or 160s in the 7-08.

For double shoulders with premium bullets or ESPECIALLY with monos like the Barnes, 130-150s in the 06 & 120-140s in 7-08 are fine.

The only "danger" of a 150 lead core thru the shoulder joint is it not penetrating both lungs. A deer can make 150-200yds on 1 lung. He'll still die but the blood trail may or may not be easy to follow. THAT is why I want a 200% chance of an exit EVERYTIME!

Even if they have locked cores or bonded , stay away from shoulders ?
I'm starting from scratch since the Barnes are defects

inside 100 yards if you shoot a deer in the shoulder straight through with a 150 interlock, here in my best guess of what will happen, the bullet may or may not exit. but you'll probably lose both shoulders due to bloodshot meat.
behind the shoulder and all the bone encountered is rib in, rib out you will lose just a little meat, bullet will most probably exit. Both deer will sprint 50-75 yards and both will die.
which is better?
RR

you read a lot about DRT, it happens a lot, most of the time when the bullet completely uses its energy inside the deer. some say its from hydrostatic shock, some say hydraulic shock, its actually a combination of both. a bullet that is designed to work best, (mushroom and penetrate), at 2800 fps, slams into a deer at its point of most resistance(middle of the shoulder bone) @ 3000 fps, immediately fragmenting and creating a massive wound channel, since deer is mostly water other than bone, the water is displaced by the shock wave created by the bullet, bad things happen to the deer at this point.
Blood is suddenly and violently pumped both directions from the point of impact through the major blood vessels (hydraulic), the lungs collapse (hydrostatic), the intestines are compressed, all the while that massive shockwave is traveling both directions from POI till it hits the central nervous system (the brainstem) this overwhelms the entire system causing an emergency shutdown of everything (yep it ruins their day). the deer is still alive at this point but expires before the systems are restarted, it works, no tracking but ruins meat like no other shot.
the head/neck shooting has the same effect but the deer dies instantly and doesn't bleed out internally as well.
this is my opinion after over 40 years of deer hunting in a target rich environment
RR

[QU very much O duelTE=Ridge Runner;4167342]you read a lot about DRT, it happens a lot, most of the time when the bullet completely uses its energy inside the deer. some say its from hydrostatic shock, some say hydraulic shock, its actually a combination of both. a bullet that is designed to work best, (mushroom and penetrate), at 2800 fps, slams into a deer at its point of most resistance(middle of the shoulder bone) @ 3000 fps, immediately fragmenting and creating a massive wound channel, since deer is mostly water other than bone, the water is displaced by the shock wave created by the bullet, bad things happen to the deer at this point.
Blood is suddenly and violently pumped both directions from the point of impact through the major blood vessels (hydraulic), the lungs collapse (hydrostatic), the intestines are compressed, all the while that massive shockwave is traveling both directions from POI till it hits the central nervous system (the brainstem) this overwhelms the entire system causing an emergency shutdown of everything (yep it ruins their day). the deer is still alive at this point but expires before the systems are restarted, it works, no tracking but ruins meat like no other shot.
the head/neck shooting has the same effect but the deer dies instantly and doesn't bleed out internally as well.
this is my opinion after over 40 years of deer hunting in a target rich environment
RR[/QUOTE]

That's an in depth description of terminal affects.
My first experience at this shoulder shot thing last year was with a cheap fed. 150 gr. 3006 at 70 yards on a big bodied buck , I aimed at the lower part of the shoulder and that's where it went.
It went in and took a left and upward out with a small exit , he went 15 to 20 yards.

I thought maybe with a bonded or a locked core in 150 gr. I would have better results and wanting to know if I could do the same at 200 yards because I have opened up the woods to plant an extra plot.

I guess I'll have to keep it tight behind the shoulder this year and use some 180s next year.

When I look up bullet lengths from 150s 165s and 180s, the added length is so small that I can't believe it makes that much of a difference !

check the sectional density of those different bullets, that will give you more of an idea of how they penetrate
RR

Despite the decades of deer hunting
 

some hunters only use bullets developed in the last two years.

What are you saying ?

He is saying that you are WAY over thinking what you NEED to kill a deer !


They have been killing deer for decades with far less bullet technology then we have available today !

Yep. That's how I see it too. I've never understood why so many think a deer is bulletproof or that you need some fancy whiz bang technology or magical bullet to kill one. I'm willing to bet the average deer taken inn America will weigh less than 225 lbs live weight. Such an animal can be cleanly taken with any bullet currently on the market as long as the bullet hits the vitals.

To the OP, I suggest you look at the following pictures and place your bullet where indicated. If you do that, you will take the deer and nothing else will matter.