Its sad that some people can't have a difference of opinion and hold their side of an argument like a mature adult.
Resorting to calling someone names and launching personal insults says a lot about you, not me.

You think that someone who is tracking a deer and consequently trespassing is a big issue.. I don't.

I guess if a conversation ever turned to one of the hot topics like religion, politics, birth control or whatever, you'd probably just spontaneously combust and self destruct.

Funny that this thread is now nine pages and that all of us have the same view on this except you. That's because your ideas make no sense and are far from the majority, logical view on trespassing. You're the one who is coming up with all these BS posts saying each of us has something wrong with us, insulting/dissing a service man, etc.!!! Oh, and by the way, if you think that me calling you names when I say you're a clairvoyant is a personal insult, then you are the one who should stay out of ALL discussions on this site because things are way over your head, and if you don't call what you just posted back to me an insult on your part, then booby you defiinitely need to rethink things.

I will say I wouldn't blame some one for trespassing to get their deer after being told no.

I know that is probably not popular but what can I say? I guess sometimes my principals don't always agree with the law.

***Not only not popular, but you are saying you would violate the law, so your principles definitely come into question! The way to handle what we are discussing is not to be hunting so close to a piece of property whose owners don't want anyone trespassing, regardless of why, to avoid a situation where you wound a deer and have to follow it onto land where you have no right to be!

Of all the people I've found trespassing I've yet to encounter one who was legitimately following the trail of a wounded game animal that was shot elsewhere and crossed my property line.
If that ever happens I'll gladly lend a hand in recovering the animal.

Nope, it's always people trespassing for no legitimate reason.

Sorry, I'm not a sheep.

Sometimes I have to choose I guess between what I think is right and what I'm told is right.

You can question my principals if you want. To be quite honest I don't meet to many people now days who's principals I don't find questionable.

I find it very wrong to let an animal die and rot for no good reason(I question those principals). Ive have lost animals before this way and lost sleep night after night because I regret my decision.

Retrieving the animal legally is the right way but if your taking the right way off the table you have left me with 2 options.....what I think is wrong and what I think is even worse.

If I get in trouble doing what I think is right so be it. I'll answer for it with my head up.

There's a lot of truth to that.. And I think that's probably the root cause of the prevailing strong attitude we see here on the subject...

One poster suggested putting a phone number on all the No-Trespassing signs... I wonder if that would solve many of the issues..

It wouldn't be the first time I've stood alone.. probably won't be the last.

Well you were doing ok until you made this statement. My ideas make no sense?? What makes no sense?
Far from the majority ? Ya.. ok.. I can agree to that... But then you go one step further and add "logical" to your description... How is being lenient concerning trespassers not logical???

Wow.. are you just making stuff up as you go along? I can do that too if you like but I'll refrain if you do from future comments.
Please stick to the facts.. don't embellish, don't twist them, and don't try to relabel the meaning of comments.

You know, it would be great if you could just get back to the subject of the conversation.. Hold the personal attacks, but please feel free to blast away with your opinions and why you have them.


So lets see if I can put this back on track.. (and please correct me if I am mistaken here)..
You think that trespassing for any reason is wrong and should be treated as a serious crime. Does that sum it up?

I think that trespassing is not wrong so long as the person doing it is not being malicious. (IE: is not hunting, stealing, destroying, spying, or any other type of nefarious activity).
My opinion is that if a trespasser is following a blood trail it is not an issue for me.

I think the real root of this argument is that it is nearly impossible to determine if someone is trespassing benignly or just taking advantage of your absence.

"You think that trespassing for any reason is wrong and should be treated as a serious crime. Does that sum it up?"

With the exception of using the word serious it is very simple if that's what you want---If a law says you can't do something and you go ahead and do it anyway, regardless of why, you are in violation of said law. Maybe that's a strict intrepretation that you and Rockport don't agree with regarding trespassing, but I won't get a ticket because I won't disobey said law, whereas Rockport stands a good chance of that AND losing his deer AND possibly even losing his hunting priviledges if caught and it's determined to be an egregious violation. It is not up to the individual to make a determination of whether they think the law is good or bad and to violate it if they think the latter. If they think it is bad, then it's up to them to try and have the law changed, not violate it. I guess this may come from a 30+ year career in law enforcement, but that's my take on it.

For years we have had a mutual agreement with all of our neighbors that allows us to track a deer onto the other's property. Despite our recent frustrations with our neighbors that's started this whole thread, we have helped them retrieve multiple deer on our property and theirs and they have done the same for us. We have a had a good relationship over the years, which is why I do not get why they have been acting like they have been the last few years.

As far as people other than our neighbors coming onto our land for tracking deer, we are highly skeptical of them. Several years ago my grandpa had a group of men stop by in a pickup (with zero deer in the truck bed) and ask of they could go back on to his property to track a deer they had hit. My Grandpa allowed them to go back to retrieve their deer. When they came out of the woods, there we're two deer in the back of the truck and then men just drove off without stopping back at the house.

Anyway, I'd also like to mention that this post has not went in the direction I intended.

I'll hop in for a bit. Trespassing is being on someones land without permission. Depending on which state you are in that action goes from something along the line of being rude to downright illegal. The moral stance is that we as sportsmen are supposed to hold ourselves to a high stahdard since unless we are hunting on our own land or publicly owned land we are enjoying someone elses land. The arguement that a wounded animal trumps all other law is just plain wrong. A hunter decides to hunt and uses the land with the understanding that there are rules and laws which pertain to rights. A hunters rights should never trump property rights. The owner of a piece of property paid for it and pays the taxes on it and has all rights to the lawful use of such land. A wounded deer is a shame and it certainly tugs at the moral stance hunters hold, still doesn't give a person the right to illegally trespass. The land owner may not be a hunter and has every right to limit the use of his land to non hunting actions. Like everything in life there are grey areas and circumstances that aren't cut and dried. Basing arguements on what if's is just picking at a scab and telling people that will make it heal. I personally don't have a problem with people on my non posted hunting land providing they are doing things the right way. I have the utmost respect for anyone knocking on my door and asking for the permission to access my property. Even though it is not posted I always thank the people asking since they are showing me respect.

^^^^^^^ What Champlain Islander said.

If a hunter wounds an animal on adjacent property and it crosses the property line, the hunter is welcome to go after that animal on my property after he obtains permission.

One of my problems was with a cattle farmer. He overgrazed his place and repeatedly cut the locked chain on a gate and allowed his cattle to graze on my place. This was after i refused to rent him the pasture.

The cattle destroyed my game plots and ate the supplemental deer food. Finally told him that some cows were subject to becoming Angus burgers if he did not keep get them off the place ASAP. No more problem.

Not really, the law in IL has lots of hoops. Many hoops in which most land owners don't jump through. If I were taking law as the end all of everything I could go on the neighbors property any time I want because it is not properly posted. I don't do that because I have morals but the law does in fact say that I can. 99 out of 100 times this is how the conflict between law and my morals go (something I could legally do but don't because its against my morals).

I'd watch what you wish for when advocating following the law to a T because the law is very far from perfect.

To me not letting someone retrieve a wounded animal is abusing the law just like me hunting on land that is not posted properly would be.

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Dude abides, I agree on current direction, have you gotten anything helpful during the last 9 pages? Going back to an earlier part, I believe you said one member of the family was the problem? Have you talked with the leader(dad) regarding the problems? Perhaps after season as someone suggested earlier, maybe the dad or head of the group that seems cooperative,... I've been down this road with ag land before and sometimes diplomacy doesn't work no matter how long or hard you try. My personal experience ended when the culprit went bankrupt and the property was taken and abandoned. Not hoping for the same with you. Try talking out a solution later in the season, and seek some legal directions before attempting anything. Perhaps the other neighbors are having trouble as well, might turn out to be a group effort. Retaliation, especially in this day and age would be my Last resort. Best of luck, be praying for you.

Thanks Florizark, and everyone else for the advice. This is starting to get back to what I'd like this post to be about, solutions (sportsmanlike), not retaliation or revenge. If similar events happened to you, how did you resolve them? And Bullcamp, the phone number on the no trespass sign is a very good idea.

First I'd make sure I had all my ducks in a row as far as postings,warning,notice etc. Whatever your state requires for trespassing Then I'd get pictures of them trespassing then I would go have a little sit down with them and ask them if we could handle it like adults or if I needed to take it further.

The bottom line is if you just go to the law you will probably fix the trespassing but the rest will likely get even worse. Handling it without the law would be options A and B for me.....C would be the law

One thing I learned when I began hunting multiple states was that laws vary in each state. What is illegal in one may not be illegal in another. That being said, I've always been of the mindset that even if something isn't illegal, that still doesn't give me a green light to push the envelope and do what I want on land belonging to others. After all, I don't want then thinking they can do anything they want on my land either.

For me, trespassing falls in this category. Going on someone's land is like sleeping with their mother. You may not need their permission, but things go a lot easier if you have it. Legal is one thing, proper is another thing entirely. Be courteous and get permission before crossing the property line.

That was me that posted about putting my phone number on my signs. I have yet to get a call from someone wanting to recover an animal from my property but I have been called regarding other matters. Like I posted previously, if I get the call it's usually no problem.

The other reason for the phone number is that when trespassing does occur and law enforcement becomes involved the violator will have no excuse at all. I will have gone the extra mile to make it easy to ask permission. Makes the case that much more solid.

Your perspective on that is so radically distorted it is disturbing.

That is such an extreme attitude that it literally has me concerned and worried that you own firearms.

Normally, I would take such a comment with a grain of salt and chuck it up to someone just using a bad example without thinking about it first.. (I can't say I've never been guilty of using a bad example that's for sure)

But when you first suggest booby trapping your property to punish a trespasser, then suggest the act is of such an extreme personal nature as sleeping with ones mother.... well.... the word extremest comes to mind.....

Your extremest views are over a piece of dirt.. Not a family member, not a political view or a religious belief, not an educational or scientific fact you are defending.... but a piece of dirt.. An object of material possession that has such little meaning you are literally willing to urinate on it.

And the icing on the cake:
Your concern is about an act that would not in any significant way change anything in your life or affect the possession in question.

Is there anything above that I have said that is not true?

That's a darn fine idea.. Its such a good idea, and such a simple idea, it makes me wonder why others don't do the same..

Afraid of nuisance calls maybe? Ever get one?

In fact, after thinking about it.. the idea is so perfect that it should be legislated into the law about posting trespassing signs.

Unless of course there's some potentially negative effect I'm not considering..

Going on someone's land is like sleeping with their mother. You may not need their permission, but things go a lot easier if you have it.

Hey, I couldn't get Murby's permission!

Cripes Murby, everyone's gotten your point. Nobody agrees with you. Just remember that the one common denominator in all of your conflicts in this thread is you. Except for the mom joke...that one's on me.

I would say that there is a potential that it could greatly affect my life... I have a home on my property... I own the property so I'm keenly aware of which direction I'm shooting... A trespasser, probably not so much... A trespasser more than likely won't know where I may be at on the property, nor I them as well... What could go wrong???

Dude, it is called humor!!!! Lighten up! Are you really wound that tight that you can't even see humor. Or are you really that dumb?

In case you haven't noticed, not one single person is taking your side. That should be a clue. You're the one out in left field. What's the matter, nobody want to play with you when you were little? Did you always throw a fit to try and make your point? I'm guessing you're a little too old for the pouting and whining routine you're showing here.

I haven't decided if you're a fool or if you're just pathetic. Or, maybe you're intentionally obtuse.

As to this one: Your extremest views are over a piece of dirt. There have been a heck of a lot of wars fought over a "piece of dirt". The whole "A Man's Castle" thing. And I still disagree that a 1x4 with a few nails buried where someone is trespassing with an ATV is a "booby trap" but considering your admission to feeling compelled the trespass, I can understand your concern. You might get a flat tire but if you're not trespassing you don't have much to worry about do you?

You sure you that you're not the clown the originator is talking about? Where were you on the days mentioned? Got any alibis?

Originally Posted by NEhomer View Post
Hey, I couldn't get Murby's permission!.

You didn't need it. Last time I saw her, she had "FREE SHOT, Over 5000 Served" tattooed on her butt !

Hey Murby, that one's on the Chief.

***LOL! It looks like this thread will hit 12 pages, as I'm sure old Murby will be back with a rejoinder to those last couple posts!!! Come on Murby, give it another shot, LOL!

Hey TOP, you think he's ever gonna figure out that he's just a puppy chasing a ball? He'll run for it every time someone throws it. FETCH MURBY, FETCH. That's a good boy. Now, roll over and play dead for a week or two.

Flags, is that a confession??? You are admitting to seeing her butt...

Actually I did early in this post... I agree with Murby's logic that there is a reasonable way to handle such an issue... Anything that could lead to potential personal/property damage is taking things too far.

It was a scary sight and would have killed a normal man. But in true Navy fashion, "Any Port in a Storm"...:party0007: By the way did I mention it was tattooed in 6 inch letters!

Just what we need...a law forcing property owners to put cell phone numbers on trespassing signs....

Negative effect ..... What about people like me how don't own a cell phone......????
And no Murby I don't want an obama phone :D
Then you have to go and replace all your signs that don't have a place to put a phone number....
Easy answer..... Just don't trespass....problem solved....

Ah! Ok.. so now its humor.. (nice backtracking there!) glad we got that straightened out...

Are we making stuff up as we go along?

Interesting logic.. you let the majority make your opinion for you...
That's kind of like "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!" LOL

I don't mind being out in left field if that's the correct place to be. I don't let popular opinion dictate what is right or wrong to me.
That said, as someone like yourself who claims to have spent 25 years in a dictatorship, I can certainly understand and accept why you do..


Not in the way they apparently played with you! It usually takes severe childhood trauma to create your kind of aggression.


Wow.. so that's what you call it when someone tries talking sense into you. Nice..


Perhaps you should discuss it with your mother.. (sorry, I couldn't resist that time)..

On a serious note, and I'm being sincere, it would be great, and a lot more productive, if you could hold all of your comments to this type of tonality.
Yes there have been wars fought over possession and ownership of land.. but not over someone temporarily passing over that land. Again, from your mother analogy to one comparing historical wars.... Over some idiot trespassing? That's not logical, its extreme.

When your booby trap impales a ten year old child who has no concept of trespassing laws, maybe you'll learn something valuable...
Or depending on the type of person you are, maybe not. Still think your booby trap is a good idea?


I might get ridiculed for saying this, but I don't understand this joke... Its seems like its directed at me, but I don't get it. What am I missing?


This thread is getting boring now. I've tried talking sense to you but I'm not sure its doing any good so I'll leave it with this final, non insulting, non threatening, sincere piece...

It is not worth getting yourself all worked up and angry over some inconsiderate jackazz who is violating your property boundaries. Unless that person is actively causing damage or creating a dangerous situation, they should be dealt with as you would any other minor offensive behavior.
Furthermore, if you lay a booby trap and it injures someone, you could potentially lose those boundaries you are so fond of.
Its just not worth it.

Oh no.. I didn't mean a law to force the number on the sign.. I don't like laws forcing me to do anything either..

Not everything has to be so black and white like that..

And I'm not saying this is a perfect solution, but how about some legislation that increased the penalties for trespass when an owner does post the phone number to make it easy to contact them?

So if you don't post your number, nothing changes..
But if you do post your number, you get to prosecute to a stronger level of penalty.

To quote a famous author: The world is not what you see, its the lens through which you see it.

Taking this a step further, it's one thing to take that action,(Board with nails) and accept the liability yourself... IMO advising someone else to do so is just a bad idea.

Agree to disagree and lets move on.

***There ya go and the thread DID make 12 pages thanks to one unnamed member!!!

Hey FLAGS---Please splain your joke on the butt tattoo to Murby in a PM! :lolabove:

Yeah, I wasn't expecting 12 pages on my 1st thread...:barmy:

It will go 13 once all the little follow up comments are over...

You could have said "God is Amazing", or "Bless the Republicans" or "Abortion is murder", or any one of a number of hot button topics and got the same response.

Well done!

FETCH MURBY, FETCH.

Lol!

...have I mentioned how fond I am of this website?!

Careful on your final replies folks... I'd hate to see Arrowmaster have to impose a time out.

Actually I've never gotten a crank call. I've even gotten a few humorous calls.
One guy apparently looked at a map and saw a creek running through the BLM land behind my place so he called and asked if he could go across my land to take his kid trout fishing. I said sure, just let me know what vehicle he would be parking by my gate.
That little creek is dry except for spring snow melt and sure doesn't have trout in it. Some things are better learned the hard way.

It would be a waste of time if he can't get it on his own. Maybe if he spends a few minutes thinking about it instead of grabbing at straws to try and support his unfavorable position, he'll figure it out. But I'll give him some tip: Hey Murby consider the following:

Your Mom's Butt/ Tattooed in 6 inch letters/ Free Shot/ 5000 have already been served

Get it? I'm not holding out much hope. He seems a little "dense".

I'm done with this thread.

I find it comical that you come to this forum, and the first thing you do, in your third sentence ever, is brag about your military service..
What is hilarious, is that some people in this forum suck it up as truth.

Is this what the military is producing these days after a 25 year career? What a thorough embarrassment for them. Certainly not a shining example anyone would want to aspire to.

I believe there's a law against masquerading as a service member.. Not sure if it covers just fake medals or faking the entire service but its a federal offense.

Here's what I know for a fact folks... People who have spent even ten years in service don't behave the way this clown does. The military has a way of breeding it out of you and hammering in a professionalism that sticks with you for the rest of your life. I can't call it an indoctrination, but its the next closest thing.. The results are powerful and reliable, and in the case of military service, in a positive way.
I know this because I was in the service.. although not nearly that long.

If you really did spend 25 years in the service, than your behavior is appalling and you would do the military a favor by being quiet about your time.