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Murby, the above scenario I gave about my land actually happened a few years ago.
Two brothers from a camp down the road tracked a wounded buck onto our property. When they finally lost the trail they walked off of the property on our logging road. Even worse, latter that night I went to their camp to try and find out where they lost the trail, thinking I would try picking it up the next day... They couldn't give me a good description of the area where they lost the trail... Then one of the brothers told me that he had hung a beer can on some brush where they found the last sign of blood... Needless to say... I was one pizzed of MoFo!!! |
Originally Posted by Lunkerdog
(Post 4102743)
Murby, the above scenario I gave about my land actually happened a few years ago.
Two brothers from a camp down the road tracked a wounded buck onto our property. When they finally lost the trail they walked off of the property on our logging road. Even worse, latter that night I went to their camp to try and find out where they lost the trail, thinking I would try picking it up the next day... They couldn't give me a good description of the area where they lost the trail... Then one of the brothers told me that he hung a beer can on some brush where they found the last sign of blood... Needless to say... I was one pizzed of MoFo!!! I would not have been happy with the beer can either.. There are plenty of easy ways to mark your path with natural materials, using garbage is not needed. |
I didn't care that they had tracked the deer onto our property, what pizzed me off was that they were drinking and hunting on my property!!!
I didn't talk to them again until the next Spring, at which time we had a long and serious discussion... I've become good friends with the eldest brother since then, and attend a yearly mid-season steak feed at their camp on the middle Saturday of our rifle season... Their camp cook grills an awesome steak!!! |
I'm all for people finding their deer but not without asking first.
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Originally Posted by rockport
(Post 4102867)
I'm all for people finding their deer but not without asking first.
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Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4102874)
What if you're not around to ask?
What if I decide to shoot my rifle and don't know you are there? What if I am trying to hunt? What if my wife or daughter are out there changing into their hunting clothes? When i catch you out there with a gun how do I know if your tracking or hunting? I am a very strong advocate of being able to retrieve your game and I think it should be your right to do so but not without informing the land owner. That basically makes trespassing legal when all you have to say is hey my deer ran this way if you get caught unfortunately sometimes there is no perfect solution to a less than perfect situation. |
Originally Posted by rockport
(Post 4102914)
When i catch you out there with a gun how do I know if your tracking or hunting?
Whenever I am forced to trespass unannounced, I make it a point to leave the weapons behind. 1. This takes away any hunting suspicion. 2. If I do encounter some unreasonable property owner in a bad mood, I would think it is best for me to be unarmed so they don't feel threatened. But then I am also a very considerate type of person and I try my best to minimize any intrusion or inconvenience to others. |
Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103091)
Whenever I am forced to trespass unannounced...
Admittedly, I don't hunt many places where property lines are a big deal but I do have the phone numbers of people that own land around where I do hunt. Most the time they already know we are hunting anyways. Personally, I would never set foot an someone's property without contacting them or arranging permission before hand, which is actually pretty easy to do before the season opens. If they weren't there when I called the first time, I'd try again in an hour or so. In this day and age of cell phones, people are pretty easy to get with a call or a text no matter where they are. If I was in a "dead zone" I'd simply drive to where I could get reception. No sheriff or judge for that matter will buy off on you being "forced" to trespass. Plus, a landowner catching you is well within their rights to get the sheriff to have a serious talk with you. |
Neighbors can be some of the nicest people on earth then deer season comes and they turn into the biggest A HOLEs on earth.
Michigan law states you can not trespass with out permission period. If you are tracking a wounded deer on my property you came and asked for permission to do so before the season started. If I see you I will have your picture and will prosecute you for trespassing. It is only neighborly to ask ahead of time no if and or buts. No one is forced to trespass any way shape or form. Of course isn't much can be done with what is done on their land. Is why I keep my blinds and stands away from the property lines, well away. I try to make all the hunting improvements in the center of my property and food plots with insight of the house most times. trail cams patrol the property lines too and the neighbors know also. :D Al |
Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4102874)
What if you're not around to ask?
If I catch people or parked vehicles on my land with no permission things aren't so cordial. |
Originally Posted by Bullcamp82834
(Post 4103272)
I have my cell phone number on all my no trespassing signs. If someone needs to cross my land to get to state or BLM land for a legitimate reason they can call me and it's usually no problem.
If I catch people or parked vehicles on my land with no permission things aren't so cordial. |
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4103235)
Forced to trespass unannounced
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Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103297)
I was using the term loosely. Would you be happier if I replaced it with "need" or "want" or "feel compelled" ??
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Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4103298)
No, I'd be happier if you the advice of several and make sure you contact landowners before going on their land either during the hunt or before hand. Trespassing is trespassing and I don't think anyone "needs" to do it or is "compelled" to do it. It is a conscious decision.
Think about what you're saying carefully.. Expand and extrapolate to what other hunters may encounter where "OTHERS" are hunting.. (IE: Beyond your own known area) Do you still think what you are suggesting is practical?? In many situations, it may not even be possible let alone practical.. And from the other perspective, good luck trying to call me! My phone number isn't listed.. Now what? Should we just let the wounded animal die and rot because there might be some over zealous, disconnected from reality, land owner who feels that his land is somehow special and that a human presence might upset the entire ecosystem? You say "Trespassing is trespassing" ?? Think of what would happen if everyone thought with such tunnel vision.. 56 MPH in a 55 MPH zone? Hey, speeding is speeding.. here's your ticket. Oh the examples could go on and on... Hopefully you get the idea.. I do understand what you're trying to say however.... The jackazz with his 12ga and portable blind who sneaks onto your private property without need or regard for your rights needs to be prosecuted. But those are the exceptions you always hear about, not the rule. The vast majority of trespassers don't realize they are trespassing, or are just passing through and mean no harm or foul... |
There's really no gray area to it.
Enter upon private property without permission and you are trespassing and violating the law. Real cut and dried. No trespassing by necessity. That's bunk. When you are the guy paying the taxes on the land it's pretty simple. Just call and ask and you won't have to deal with a pissed land owner........ who is probably only slightly less protective over that land than you would be over your virgin daughter. |
Murby stated: "The vast majority of trespassers don't realize they are trespassing, or are just passing through and mean no harm or foul".
***You can sure come up with some pure, unadulterated BS in your posts and the one above is about as lame as you can get, LOL! If the jurisdiction where you are hunting doe not allow you on another person's property whether it's posted or not without their permission, then you absolutely must get that permission to go on it to track and/or recover a deer that you shot---no ifs, ands, or buts! Either get that permission before the season starts or seek it before you go on their property if the need arises. Relating this to 1mph over the speed limit is about as stupid a correlation as anyone could come up with and it sounds like you just like to argue after reading the posts you are putting up since you joined the site. Where the heck do you live in MI---maybe inner city Detroit to come up with all this BS you're posting?!!! Please quit embarrassing us up here with your baloney as our MI laws are very specific on trespassing and everyone damn sure knows whether they are on private property or not! If they don't, then they have made an initial mistake before going and shouldn't even be out in an area until they do know where they are legal to recreate. |
I completely agree with Topgun. The idea that trespassers either don't know they are trespassing or are just passing through and mean no harm is something I just don't buy.
We live in the age if affordable GPS units with chips to tell you who owns every acre of land on the planet. The ignorance excuse just doesn't wash. |
Sucks to hear you're having trouble with that stuff man. I have a neighbor that has all his feeders right on my property line so he is tossing lead over my fence and damn does it make me nervous.
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Originally Posted by Freerorbust
(Post 4103377)
Sucks to hear you're having trouble with that stuff man. I have a neighbor that has all his feeders right on my property line so he is tossing lead over my fence and damn does it make me nervous.
All of the ranches I used to hunt down in south Texas had an unwritten rule that you didn't have any feeders or blinds near the property lines. One guy put up two blinds near a fence on his 2000 acres where we hunted east of Freer and was politely told by the neighbor who owned 30,000 acres that if they weren't immediately removed that his entire property line would be high fenced, which would effectively eliminate most of the hunting on his 2,000 acres. Needless to say, the blinds were moved right away. If I were you I would mention to him what I have just posted and see what his response is. PS: My Mom still lives out on the ne side of SA near 410 and I-35. Dad died on 9/11/11, but she decided to keep the house and stay down there, since they moved there way back in 1971. |
Originally Posted by Topgun 3006
(Post 4103367)
***You can sure come up with some pure, unadulterated BS in your posts and the one above is about as lame as you can get, LOL! If the jurisdiction where you are hunting doe not allow you on another person's property whether it's posted or not without their permission, then you absolutely must get that permission to go on it to track and/or recover a deer that you shot---no ifs, ands, or buts! Either get that permission before the season starts or seek it before you go on their property if the need arises. Relating this to 1mph over the speed limit is about as stupid a correlation as anyone could come up with and it sounds like you just like to argue after reading the posts you are putting up since you joined the site. Where the heck do you live in MI---maybe inner city Detroit to come up with all this BS you're posting?!!! Please quit embarrassing us up here with your baloney as our MI laws are very specific on trespassing and everyone damn sure knows whether they are on private property or not! If they don't, then they have made an initial mistake before going and shouldn't even be out in an area until they do know where they are legal to recreate.
You can take any attitude you want... its your land for sure.. I'd bet money that you have one more more neighbors that are always a problem for you.. Trust me, its not them who is the problem.. its you that are a problem for them. I've been friends with every neighbor I have ever lived near my entire life... and the neighbors next to them, and usually the neighbors next to those... But to each his own... Good luck with your attitude... You certainly have every right to it. |
There is no such thing as an innocent trespasser. Saying they didn't realize they were on private property or that the were lost is the oldest excuse for the seasoned poacher/ trespasser going. True sportsmen have respect for private property and the people who pay taxes on them. All others fall into that large pot of boiling dung called hunting slobs.
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Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103356)
Well, you're not wrong.. but you're not right either...
Think about what you're saying carefully.. Expand and extrapolate to what other hunters may encounter where "OTHERS" are hunting.. (IE: Beyond your own known area) Do you still think what you are suggesting is practical?? In many situations, it may not even be possible let alone practical.. And from the other perspective, good luck trying to call me! My phone number isn't listed.. Now what? Should we just let the wounded animal die and rot because there might be some over zealous, disconnected from reality, land owner who feels that his land is somehow special and that a human presence might upset the entire ecosystem? You say "Trespassing is trespassing" ?? Think of what would happen if everyone thought with such tunnel vision.. 56 MPH in a 55 MPH zone? Hey, speeding is speeding.. here's your ticket. Oh the examples could go on and on... Hopefully you get the idea.. I do understand what you're trying to say however.... The jackazz with his 12ga and portable blind who sneaks onto your private property without need or regard for your rights needs to be prosecuted. But those are the exceptions you always hear about, not the rule. The vast majority of trespassers don't realize they are trespassing, or are just passing through and mean no harm or foul... Here in Virginia if you shoot a deer and it leaves your property and goes on your neighbors you NEED PERMISSION to retrieve your deer... If you can't find the neighbor or he won't let you get it.....it's best to call the Game Warden and explain the situation .....he may just go and talk to the neighbor or just go with you to get your deer.... If I caught you or anyone else on MY LAND and you used the excuse that you were FORCED to trespass there had better be someone standing behind you with a gun pointed at your back.....because if not I'm calling the Game Warden and you can tell him that STUPID excuse and see if he buys it.... |
That last post by Murby takes the cake when he now is accusing me with not getting along with my neighbors, LOL! FYI pal, I get along with all my neighbors down where I live and up north where I have hunting land. In fact, I even cut part of the lawns for the neighbors that live on both sides of me since I'm retired and have the time and they are both working stiffs. Other than the one jackass that owned the 20 acres along the north side of my 20 up in Kalkaska for several years back in the 80s, I have never had any other problems up there either and I've owned both properties since the early 70s! In fact, my 20 acres and the neighboring property isn't posted and she allows me access through her 20 to get to over to 400 acres of state land that is basicly landlocked by private property and most of it is hunted only by myself. All the other property owners up there pretty well allow each other access to each other's properties as long as they know who and when a person will be around. If and when they are hunting their own land, everyone respects that and doesn't bother them. It has made for a pretty good 40 years up there, other than the 3 years that one jackass was next door and he moved out to CA and joined all the fruits and nuts out there!
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Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4103393)
Murby it's seem like your trying to make excuses for trespassing on someone else's land....
Here in Virginia if you shoot a deer and it leaves your property and goes on your neighbors you NEED PERMISSION to retrieve your deer... If you can't find the neighbor or he won't let you get it.....it's best to call the Game Warden and explain the situation .....he may just go and talk to the neighbor or just go with you to get your deer.... Oh, and I should point out that if its "a neighbor", then yes, you should already have permission.. In fact, you should have a relationship with them that transcends needing explicit permission. If I caught you or anyone else on MY LAND and you used the excuse that you were FORCED to trespass there had better be someone standing behind you with a gun pointed at your back.....because if not I'm calling the Game Warden and you can tell him that STUPID excuse and see if he buys it.... I'll bet money the trespasser goes home with his deer and that's the end of it. Game Wardens are not your personal hit squad when someone wrongs you unintentionally in a minor way. And I stress the word unintentionally meaning that they're just there to recover their kill. Not hunting, not casually strolling around to see what you have.. but actively following a blood trail... I can't count the number of times I have seen people call the police on a neighbor trespassing for one reason or another... And in all cases where no damage or malicious act was committed, did I ever see anyone get arrested or ticketed. Game wardens have important duties.... placating an unreasonable land owner is not among them. (And yes, I am a land owner myself who is surrounded by corn fields and forested areas in a very low density populated area) I literally find it comical at how possessive, protective and down right zealous you folks are about your little pieces of dirt... Getting all worked up over something so mundane and inconsequential as another person being on your property.. It makes me wonder if people are like that because they have nothing else in their life that is important. Let me repeat,,, And people wonder why there are so many nightmare neighbors these days... You can take any attitude you want... its your land for sure.. I'd bet money that you have one more more neighbors that are always a problem for you.. Trust me, its not them who is the problem.. its you that are a problem for them. And yes, you have every right to be that problem if you wish. I've been friends with every neighbor I have ever lived near my entire life... and the neighbors next to them, and usually the neighbors next to those... But to each his own... Good luck with your attitude... You certainly have every right to it. |
Originally Posted by Topgun 3006
(Post 4103425)
That last post by Murby takes the cake when he now is accusing me with not getting along with my neighbors,
I shouldn't have used the word "YOU".. my bad.. I should have said "People who are that possessive of their property" or something like that.. Being so defensive and aggressive with someone who wrongs you in such a mundane way is just not worth the aggravation. Again, my apologies if you think it was an accusation against you personally.. I don't know you so I have no way of making any determination of that type. |
Murby: "I literally find it comical at how possessive, protective and down right zealous you folks are about your little pieces of dirt...
Getting all worked up over something so mundane and inconsequential as another person being on your property.. It makes me wonder if people are like that because they have nothing else in their life that is important. Let me repeat,,, And people wonder why there are so many nightmare neighbors these days... You can take any attitude you want... its your land for sure.. I'd bet money that you have one more more neighbors that are always a problem for you.. Trust me, its not them who is the problem.. its you that are a problem for them. And yes, you have every right to be that problem if you wish. I've been friends with every neighbor I have ever lived near my entire life... and the neighbors next to them, and usually the neighbors next to those... But to each his own... Good luck with your attitude... You certainly have every right to it." ***You, Sir, need to take a hike because the more you post the more trouble you're making for yourself. Those first two sentences above are so goofy, followed by a repeat of what you have already posted and putting part of it in bold, that there isn't much more to say! |
Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103429)
Game Wardens are not your personal hit squad when someone wrongs you unintentionally in a minor way. And I stress the word unintentionally meaning that they're just there to recover their kill. Not hunting, not casually strolling around to see what you have.. but actively following a blood trail...
[/B] Game Wardens are not a personal hit squad BUT you should have respect for the property owner. I was talking to a Game Warden the other day who said she only had one problem where a property owner was approached so that a hunter could remove a deer from their property (he had shot it and it ran onto the other property) and the property owner did not allow the hunter onto the land to retrieve the deer. The Game Warden was called and they got the deer off the property. MOST people will say yes, you can get your deer. If you have an issue where the property owner denies you access, get the Game Warden. WHY would you tresspass onto someones land without permission and take that chance of burning a bridge you could have otherwise built, just for the sake of retreiving a deer? It all comes down to respect. You respect the land owner and the laws, regardless of where the blood trail leads. Keep in mind that YOU may be shot on sight because there are whackos out there. There was an issue on the news last week where a man shot an alzheimer's patient who had wandered onto his property in the middle of the night. The patient didn't respond to his warnings, it was the middle of the night, so the property owner shot the poor guy thinking he was up to no good. If you have no idea who owns the property and/or do not have permission to cross the property, stay off the property. You have no idea if and how the property will be defended. Honest mistakes are made and aside from that, there are crazies out there. |
To all here who poo poo the property owners rights.
Go buy some land, pay the note on it for years till it's finally yours free and clear, pay the taxes on it, put your sweat into keeping it up, then tell us about how property owners are too possessive over their little patches of dirt. |
Originally Posted by KonKata
(Post 4103462)
Its common knowledge and proper etiquette to gain permission to a property you otherwise do not have permission to cross before retrieving a deer.
Game Wardens are not a personal hit squad BUT you should have respect for the property owner. I was talking to a Game Warden the other day who said she only had one problem where a property owner was approached so that a hunter could remove a deer from their property (he had shot it and it ran onto the other property) and the property owner did not allow the hunter onto the land to retrieve the deer. The Game Warden was called and they got the deer off the property. MOST people will say yes, you can get your deer. If you have an issue where the property owner denies you access, get the Game Warden. WHY would you tresspass onto someones land without permission and take that chance of burning a bridge you could have otherwise built, just for the sake of retreiving a deer? It all comes down to respect. You respect the land owner and the laws, regardless of where the blood trail leads. Keep in mind that YOU may be shot on sight because there are whackos out there. There was an issue on the news last week where a man shot an alzheimer's patient who had wandered onto his property in the middle of the night. The patient didn't respond to his warnings, it was the middle of the night, so the property owner shot the poor guy thinking he was up to no good. If you have no idea who owns the property and/or do not have permission to cross the property, stay off the property. You have no idea if and how the property will be defended. Honest mistakes are made and aside from that, there are crazies out there. At least that is what I was told when it happened to me |
Originally Posted by KonKata
(Post 4103462)
Its common knowledge and proper etiquette to gain permission to a property you otherwise do not have permission to cross before retrieving a deer.
Game Wardens are not a personal hit squad BUT you should have respect for the property owner. I was talking to a Game Warden the other day who said she only had one problem where a property owner was approached so that a hunter could remove a deer from their property (he had shot it and it ran onto the other property) and the property owner did not allow the hunter onto the land to retrieve the deer. The Game Warden was called and they got the deer off the property. MOST people will say yes, you can get your deer. If you have an issue where the property owner denies you access, get the Game Warden. Or are you suggesting the game warden got the owners permission somehow? WHY would you tresspass onto someones land without permission and take that chance of burning a bridge you could have otherwise built, just for the sake of retreiving a deer? It all comes down to respect. You respect the land owner and the laws, regardless of where the blood trail leads. Although, in all fairness, I guess sometimes it is.. but that's not the point. Keep in mind that YOU may be shot on sight because there are whackos out there. There was an issue on the news last week where a man shot an alzheimer's patient who had wandered onto his property in the middle of the night. The patient didn't respond to his warnings, it was the middle of the night, so the property owner shot the poor guy thinking he was up to no good. |
Originally Posted by Bullcamp82834
(Post 4103465)
To all here who poo poo the property owners rights.
Go buy some land, pay the note on it for years till it's finally yours free and clear, pay the taxes on it, put your sweat into keeping it up, then tell us about how property owners are too possessive over their little patches of dirt. I just don't find it to be a big deal if someone is following a blood trail through my little patch of happiness.. So long as that's all they're doing, I do not find it offensive. |
Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103470)
Please be sure to read the entire thread if you have not already because I wholeheartedly agree with you. I just think that people have extreme attitudes where none are needed.
Since when does the game warden have the authority to over-ride a land owners rights? That's something I'm not familiar with.. Or are you suggesting the game warden got the owners permission somehow? Again.. I agree completely... but lets think outside the box for second. You're 300 miles from home on state land in the middle of no-where-ville and your deer runs 50 yards into land you're not sure is state land or not... Your only clue is a 40 year old, mostly broken down, rusted out, old barbed wire fence... Now what? Everything comes down to respect.. this is why these people get so uptight about simple and mundane violations. They take it personally as an attack on their domain.. Although, in all fairness, I guess sometimes it is.. but that's not the point. Too bad no one has invented IDIOT detectors... Kind of makes a case for gun control when you hear these stories. My guess is that anyone who would shoot someone who is trespassing has had other mental and aggression issues in their life that should have been parsed before anyone let them own a firearm. exactly how much fun do you have arguing? this is ridiculous. this site is a place to gain knowledge and exchange info. Even share a success or two. You are doing none of that. Nor are you adding to the conversations. Instead you choose to sit here, pick apart every little thing, attempt to appear more intelligent than others (btw, intelligent people don't rely on the same key words over and over to get their point across. They tend to have a more diverse vocabulary arsenal. care to "extrapolate" that? They also tend not to get so defensive and resort to personal attacks when given an opinion of the opposite stance.) and you appear to rather enjoy doing all this. So much so that you have amassed almost 200 posts in 2 months. C'mon man. This is a hunting forum. Put down the smart phone, shut down the computer. Go grab a rifle, shotgun, bow, hell- grab a spear; and go out and do some hunting. Some time out in the great outdoors might make you a little less hostile to everyone else. Nature does great things for the soul. That is all. |
Originally Posted by Topgun 3006
(Post 4103425)
That last post by Murby takes the cake when he now is accusing me with not getting along with my neighbors, LOL!
:hit: BAD TOP, BAD! LOL By the way, how many forums do we talk on? Is it 3 or 4 now? I backed out of this because I knew if this fool was given enough rope he would hang himself with his ludicrous stance. Now look at him: :action-smiley-099: Swinging in the wind while the rest beat the heck out of him with his own words! I LOVE IT |
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4103510)
Hey TOP, is this guy something else or what? First he accuses me of being a teenager despite the fact that my Avatar shows me in a Chief's uniform with 6 gold hashmarks! Now he says you don't get along with your neighbors!
:hit: BAD TOP, BAD! LOL By the way, how many forums do we talk on? Is it 3 or 4 now? I backed out of this because I knew if this fool was given enough rope he would hang himself with his ludicrous stance. Now look at him: :action-smiley-099: Swinging in the wind while the rest beat the heck out of him with his own words! I LOVE IT You know, you're not the only person who has been in the military. While I don't make a habit of bragging about my service, I am well aware of how service personal conduct themselves. The training and habits tend to stick to you long after you leave. To that end, I can say that listening to your name calling and the way you handle yourself makes be believe you're one of those military service fakers. You can't defend your side of an argument without resorting to personal attacks.. Not a very good example that's for sure. Regardless of who's right or wrong, if I behaved like you do, I'd be ashamed of myself. |
Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103429)
Then I guess things aren't what they seem... I'm just trying to point out that its not the crime of the century and people shouldn't get their panties bunched up over it.. That is of course, unless the trespasser is up to no good.
Yup.. here too... We also have a speed limit of 70mph on the highways.. at 71mph, you're breaking the law.. In a perfect world with a sterile bubble in your little corner, that might be a great idea... But we don't live in that bubble.. Ok, I guess some people think they do, but reality is different. Oh, and I should point out that if its "a neighbor", then yes, you should already have permission.. In fact, you should have a relationship with them that transcends needing explicit permission. Right! You go ahead and do that and let me know what happens ok? I'll bet money the trespasser goes home with his deer and that's the end of it. Game Wardens are not your personal hit squad when someone wrongs you unintentionally in a minor way. And I stress the word unintentionally meaning that they're just there to recover their kill. Not hunting, not casually strolling around to see what you have.. but actively following a blood trail... I can't count the number of times I have seen people call the police on a neighbor trespassing for one reason or another... And in all cases where no damage or malicious act was committed, did I ever see anyone get arrested or ticketed. Game wardens have important duties.... placating an unreasonable land owner is not among them. (And yes, I am a land owner myself who is surrounded by corn fields and forested areas in a very low density populated area) I literally find it comical at how possessive, protective and down right zealous you folks are about your little pieces of dirt... Getting all worked up over something so mundane and inconsequential as another person being on your property.. It makes me wonder if people are like that because they have nothing else in their life that is important. Let me repeat,,, And people wonder why there are so many nightmare neighbors these days... You can take any attitude you want... its your land for sure.. I'd bet money that you have one more more neighbors that are always a problem for you.. Trust me, its not them who is the problem.. its you that are a problem for them. And yes, you have every right to be that problem if you wish. I've been friends with every neighbor I have ever lived near my entire life... and the neighbors next to them, and usually the neighbors next to those... But to each his own... Good luck with your attitude... You certainly have every right to it. "unless the trespasser is up to no good".... If someone is TRESPASSING they are ALREADY breaking the law and I see them as up to NO GOOD.... I'v talked to all the neighbors that border my property and we all gave each other permission to retrieve a deer if it crosses the boundary line.. And here in Virginia a Game Warden is the person you SHOULD CALL if your having problems with ANYONE about hunting......that's what they are there for ....it's their job....just ask one sometime.... And a Game Warden here in Virginia DOESN'T need permission to go on ANYONES land....they can go at will and there's nothing to stop them....that's HOW they catch the bad guys...UNANNOUNCED .... And yes I AM very protective of my property.....notice the word MY....it doesn't belong to anyone else and they have no right to be on it WITHOUT MY PERMISSION.....that's why I have so many NO TRESPASSING signs up.... I'm just glad YOUR NOT MY NEIGHBOR ....I don't think we would get along...... |
Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103513)
I find it hard to believe that 25 years of military service did absolutely nothing for your level of maturity.
You know, you're not the only person who has been in the military. While I don't make a habit of bragging about my service, I am well aware of how service personal conduct themselves. The training and habits tend to stick to you long after you leave. To that end, I can say that listening to your name calling and the way you handle yourself makes be believe you're one of those military service fakers. You can't defend your side of an argument without resorting to personal attacks.. Not a very good example that's for sure. Regardless of who's right or wrong, if I behaved like you do, I'd be ashamed of myself. |
MOST people will say yes, you can get your deer. If you have an issue where the property owner denies you access, get the Game Warden. OK had a law that allowed "farmers" to trespass on the property of others while "looking for their livestock". When caught trespassing such farmers were always armed with a hunting rifle to "protect themselves from the wild hogs". After many years of complaints that law was changed by the OK legislature a few years ago. Now farmers "looking for their livestock" must obtain permission before entering the property of others. |
Never seen a trespasser yet that wasn't up to no good, HUNTING ON LAND THEY DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO.
If you can't Afford a Modern GPS that has a chip for property lines then at least visit the local County Clerks office and look at a plat book of the area you want to hunt. they all have the land owners name on the parcel Except maybe those little tiny lots in Detroit. Then if you are hunting some ones private property with permission make sure they show you their boundary lines. Last years late bow season which I don't hunt My wife called to me that some one was out messing around my pole barn in the back yard. I went out there and here is this camo clad clown with a bow. Said he had shot a deer and wanted permission to track it. YA I BET IT HID IN MY POLE BARN. I ******ed him off the place told him that the sheriff would have his picture before the day was over so not to be surprised when they pulled him over on the road. Turns out he had indeed shot a deer a 1/2 mile down the road and had trespassed right past a couple of my neighbor's places and also by some of my signs too. He was around my barn because that is the first building he was near I figure. Never the less I swore out a complaint of trespassing and then went to court when he felt he could fight it and win. but lost because I DID show up. :D Al |
Originally Posted by falcon
(Post 4103629)
In OK the game warden cannot help you. There is a moral here. If you shoot a deer near your property line make sure it dies on your side of the fence.
OK had a law that allowed "farmers" to trespass on the property of others while "looking for their livestock". When caught trespassing such farmers were always armed with a hunting rifle to "protect themselves from the wild hogs". After many years of complaints that law was changed by the OK legislature a few years ago. Now farmers "looking for their livestock" must obtain permission before entering the property of others. Thats crazy in OK! I guess its for a good reason though. Scumbag hunters who wander the land with a sense of entitlement ruin it for everyone.
Originally Posted by NebBuckHunter
(Post 4103499)
Put down the smart phone, shut down the computer. Go grab a rifle, shotgun, bow, hell- grab a spear; and go out and do some hunting.
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Originally Posted by Murby
(Post 4103513)
You know, you're not the only person who has been in the military. While I don't make a habit of bragging about my service
By the way MURBY, the only reason I mentioned my military experience was in response to this "gem" you posted: you are a youngster in your teens or twenties who has more testosterone than brains at this young point in your life. Do you not remember writing that idiotic statement? Didn't you notice my Avatar? It is exactly 2 inches to the left right now, take a glance at it. Or was that something you simply overlooked? Inquiring minds want to know. Oh, and if you don't think that is me, I'll PM you the big version and you can compare the face to the 52 photos I have in my photo album on this site. Additionally, you might want to ease up on that whole concept of "forced"/"need"/want"/"feel compelled" trespassing. Wouldn't want you to end up on GOOGLE NEWS would we? That was a really dumb statement you made by the way. You really don't have a clue just how foolish you look right now do you? Were you born this goofy or did you actually have to work at it? Either way, congratulation, you sure got there in style! :groupwave: Plus, making observations about the posts you make doesn't quite constitute a "personal attack" to most grown men. But then, I've got a feelin' you're a little "thin skinned" ain't ya? Like we say in the Chief's Mess, Anchor up or go home.I'll say one thing for ya, you're sure good for a laugh! |
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