[QUOTE=mbruizer187;4092872]Its not that Murb, just some of us non-believers are 1. not so good at debate. 2. know that it won't change a thing. That is the beauty of their beast. millions could die for no apparent reason and its ok because god works in mysterious ways, or this life is just the beginning of the life we were really meant for in heaven. :violin: , but as soon as something good or beautiful happens in your life you should stop bow down and thank him for being so graciuos and kind.

Catholic born and raised, church every Sunday, alter server, until i was old enough to think for myself.

There isn't anything to "disprove". There is just no sign of existence. God is, and always has been, man made. Sorry. I wish it weren't true, but it is.

Wow.. It is rare when I find someone who was indoctrinated and was able to break free of it. It takes a strong mind to do that.

Thank you for speaking up..

I don't think arguing the meaning of a word, or how it is used in modern language, is going to be very useful in the overall debate.

That screams "I was indoctrinated!!" Did you go to catechism? Or did your home have symbols of church and god in every room from the time of your birth?

One of the first signs of indoctrination is the complete and total dismissal of science. Of course, the subconscious brain knows better and will run to the hospital and ask that all that science be used to its fullest power to save your life when its really needed.

I always find it interesting when a creationist argues against evolution and then goes to the gas station and fills up on fossil fuels... :bash:

My first response to this would be to say: Really? Turn that statement around and see how it works out.

My next response, and the one for which I think you were seeking:
If you are suggesting that you want me to start enumerating the factual science data that backs up my side of the debate, I'm not going to do that.
If there's something specific that comes up, fine.. but I have to assume that you and your side are already familiar with the science, for if you are not, you are basically taking place in a debate for which you know nothing about. You may as well go find a forum dealing with quantum physics and start in over there too.

Again, this goes back to my earlier post.. Lack of education, indoctrination, or agenda.. Its almost always one or more of the three.

One of the best reasons I have ever heard for the belief in god was when someone said to me "I believe because it gives me comfort"...

Setting aside the fact that such a statement is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand, you can not dismiss or argue away the reasoning behind it.

Ummm... I've noticed that you didn't reply to my post disputing this... Do you skip over posts that prove you wrong?

He skips everything that he has no answer for! Show us any more proof of evolution than proof of God! I at least can say that there is little "scientific" proof of God! God requires "faith!" Jesus told Thomas; "blessed are those who have not seen, but believe!"
You have shown NOTHING to prove evolution either! The only thing that you've done is make perverse insinuations as to my upbringing! You, for as smart as you claim to be, trampled the OP's First Amendment rights, demanding that this thread be deleted! P.S. I am not Catholic, and religion has nothing to do with being a Christian! I do see by your hatred of the Catholic Church that you may have been (you know what) as a child! Oops, I have not perfected turning the other cheek yet!

What post disputing what?

Wow.... And they allow you to have a weapon to hunt with?

As stated you have NOTHING new to offer, DA..........!

I'm impressed that you can use a keyboard!