What would you do, Mr. Deer Hunter?
07-25-2013, 04:57 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Dakota
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Your question is very interesting in the way that it's worded... I don't think you can see what you've done by using the current structure.
The hunter can't take the shot, because the shot was taken by another. Given the fact that it is the same buck and the chance for the shot is now gone, one cannot say whether they would take the shot or not, because it no longer exists. "Given the same conditions" in this sense would mean that the hunter in question already saw the 8x10 of the same dead buck.
But, if you're asking if I would take an illegal shot before shooting hours, then the answer is no. Doesn't matter what size animal it is... if I really wanted that buck badly, I would have watched it's movements very closely, climbed down from the stand quietly and attempted to stalk. Depending on my location, wind direction, etc. etc.
The hunter can't take the shot, because the shot was taken by another. Given the fact that it is the same buck and the chance for the shot is now gone, one cannot say whether they would take the shot or not, because it no longer exists. "Given the same conditions" in this sense would mean that the hunter in question already saw the 8x10 of the same dead buck.
But, if you're asking if I would take an illegal shot before shooting hours, then the answer is no. Doesn't matter what size animal it is... if I really wanted that buck badly, I would have watched it's movements very closely, climbed down from the stand quietly and attempted to stalk. Depending on my location, wind direction, etc. etc.
07-25-2013, 05:16 AM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
Posts: 8,019
Your question is very interesting in the way that it's worded... I don't think you can see what you've done by using the current structure.
The hunter can't take the shot, because the shot was taken by another. Given the fact that it is the same buck and the chance for the shot is now gone, one cannot say whether they would take the shot or not, because it no longer exists. "Given the same conditions" in this sense would mean that the hunter in question already saw the 8x10 of the same dead buck.
But, if you're asking if I would take an illegal shot before shooting hours, then the answer is no. Doesn't matter what size animal it is... if I really wanted that buck badly, I would have watched it's movements very closely, climbed down from the stand quietly and attempted to stalk. Depending on my location, wind direction, etc. etc.
The hunter can't take the shot, because the shot was taken by another. Given the fact that it is the same buck and the chance for the shot is now gone, one cannot say whether they would take the shot or not, because it no longer exists. "Given the same conditions" in this sense would mean that the hunter in question already saw the 8x10 of the same dead buck.
But, if you're asking if I would take an illegal shot before shooting hours, then the answer is no. Doesn't matter what size animal it is... if I really wanted that buck badly, I would have watched it's movements very closely, climbed down from the stand quietly and attempted to stalk. Depending on my location, wind direction, etc. etc.
***You better reread what he wrote and what you wrote in response to the OP in your first two paragraphs because IMHO you don't make sense. The guy let the buck walk because he saw it before legal shooting hours and then a couple days later someone else shot it. The question was whether you would have shot it if you were in his shoes and if he had then the other guy wouldn't have had the chance that actually did shoot it legally.
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07-25-2013, 05:35 AM
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Dakota
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It's still almost a full half hour before legal shooting light, which is a full half hour before sunrise. He makes his decision and lowers the gun, watching the dominant buck walk out of his life. Two days later a hunter in the area kills that same buck a little over a mile away. It scored 176 B&C points and field dressed 240 pounds.
The picture of the successful hunter posing with his deer is widely distributed and our swamp hunter sees the 8x10 enlargement. He knows for sure it's the same deer.
Given the same conditions, what would you do?
Would you shoot? Yes or no?
The picture of the successful hunter posing with his deer is widely distributed and our swamp hunter sees the 8x10 enlargement. He knows for sure it's the same deer.
Given the same conditions, what would you do?
Would you shoot? Yes or no?
The conditions of the "short story" is that the original hunter made the decision not to shoot, then a completely different hunter did shoot (in the future) and showed proof of it being the same buck that "hunter 1" passed on.
The buck has already been killed in the story. So, in the way it's structured above, the OP is asking if you would take a shot at the buck "given the same conditions" after hunter 1 had already seen that hunter 2 had taken the deer.
It's just an anachronism that I felt like pointing out, obviously the OP was trying to insert some creative flare into their question and probably fancies himself/herself as a writer. It could have easily been a thread that just started with, "Hey, would you shoot a monster buck a half hour before legal shooting hours?"
But they didn't... the correct way to ask the final question would have been: Given the same conditions, would you have taken the shot that the first hunter passed on?
07-25-2013, 06:14 AM
#6
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Williamsport, PA
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CN,
What is your real reason for being on here? Really?
Are you an "anti" waiting for the wrong answer?
Your posts don't seem like their from an outdoorsman?
Please let us know why you are on here?
If I am mistaken I apoligize.
daddus
What is your real reason for being on here? Really?
Are you an "anti" waiting for the wrong answer?
Your posts don't seem like their from an outdoorsman?
Please let us know why you are on here?
If I am mistaken I apoligize.
daddus
07-25-2013, 07:24 AM
#8
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
Posts: 8,019
It's just an anachronism that I felt like pointing out, obviously the OP was trying to insert some creative flare into their question and probably fancies himself/herself as a writer. It could have easily been a thread that just started with, "Hey, would you shoot a monster buck a half hour before legal shooting hours?"
But they didn't... the correct way to ask the final question would have been: Given the same conditions, would you have taken the shot that the first hunter passed on?
***And obviously you're more than a little anal for pointing out such, LOL!!!
But they didn't... the correct way to ask the final question would have been: Given the same conditions, would you have taken the shot that the first hunter passed on?
***And obviously you're more than a little anal for pointing out such, LOL!!!
07-25-2013, 07:30 AM
#9
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 1,035
It's just an anachronism that I felt like pointing out, obviously the OP was trying to insert some creative flare into their question and probably fancies himself/herself as a writer. It could have easily been a thread that just started with, "Hey, would you shoot a monster buck a half hour before legal shooting hours?"
But they didn't... the correct way to ask the final question would have been: Given the same conditions, would you have taken the shot that the first hunter passed on?
***And obviously you're more than a little anal for pointing out such!!!
But they didn't... the correct way to ask the final question would have been: Given the same conditions, would you have taken the shot that the first hunter passed on?
***And obviously you're more than a little anal for pointing out such!!!
Furthermore, I tend to harbor the same skepticism as daddus up there... not sure what CN is getting at, but the OPs other posts tend to be just as puzzling as this one.
07-25-2013, 07:59 AM
#10
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
Posts: 8,019
"That's a fair assumption, but it really only comes out when it pertains specifically to writing.
Furthermore, I tend to harbor the same skepticism as daddus up there... not sure what CN is getting at, but the OPs other posts tend to be just as puzzling as this one."
***Fair enough!!! Yep, I went in and read the other posts that the OP has written and I'd have to agree with the two of you!!! In fact, just the title of the thread alone sounds like a put down for hunters!
Furthermore, I tend to harbor the same skepticism as daddus up there... not sure what CN is getting at, but the OPs other posts tend to be just as puzzling as this one."
***Fair enough!!! Yep, I went in and read the other posts that the OP has written and I'd have to agree with the two of you!!! In fact, just the title of the thread alone sounds like a put down for hunters!