Originally Posted by Topgun 3006

That's a pretty neat setup for that type of short range hunting up where you are! My eyes are so screwed up as I get older (20/400 without glasses and about 20/40 with) that I can't use anything but a scoped rifle. When the distances start increasing it's getting tougher every year out there even with the good Leupold scopes I have on everything. One of these years the Doc says I'm going to need cornea transplants and I also have cataracts in both eyes that thankfully have not enlarged over the last few years. If they do, I would also have to have surgery for those. Thank God the rest of my body is in the shape of a much younger person and I can still walk all day out there if needed.

Originally Posted by Champlain Islander

I agree with that Topgun. I can still see well at distance due to Lasik but don't ask me to read off a menue without reading glasses. Strange as it may be I can still shoot well through iron sights but I have to paint them for a contrast. Here is one that I use once in a while when in the big woods like Maine or northern NH and Vt. it is a 7600 aught 6 with a Williams peep and a firedot front sight. Still can pick that up especially when it is aimed a big dark brown deer running through the snow. I always use a scoped gun out west though.

Originally Posted by Topgun 3006

"With that load, to be 12 inches high at 100 yards, you would be need to sight in to be aprox. 2.111 inches high at 25 yards.
According to my calculator, zrex.. is right.
The set up is with the center of the scope 1.5 inches above the barrel.
Think about it. In the scant distance of 25 yards the bullet traveling at 2808 fps is going from -1.5 inches low to about 2 inches high."

How does that make him right and where do you get a -1.5" until the bullet is way out there past it's peak and starts dropping? What is that - 1.5" in reference to? See my post above and look at the chart in that link I provided. From what you have posted it would appear to support exactly what I and a number of others have stated. The bullet may start out 1.5" below the level of the scope as it leaves the muzzle if that's what you're talking about, but it appears your post is exactly what I stated. It shows you have to be over 1/2" high at 25 yards to hit about 6" high at 100 and he's saying his gun was on zero at 25 yards and it resulted in him being 12" high at 100 yards. Therefore, he claims he had to be at a negative number at 25 yards to be zeroed at 100 yards. I still say no way and it appears your ballistics calculations show that! Please, what am I missing here when you have then stated that to be 12" high at 100 you would have to be over 2" high at 25, not a - figure like he stated?

Originally Posted by zrexpilot

i have also heard a lot of people say 2 high at 25 yds puts you dead on at 100

Originally Posted by Topgun 3006

You can continue posting all you want, but the scenario that started this was that the rifle was dead on (zeroed) at 25 yards and that resulted in the rifle shooting 12" high at 100 yards. There is no way that is going to happen in just 75 yards in any type of normal scope setup for any caliber in a hunting rifle---end of discussion!!!