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What' s the deal between us Canadian' s calling up deer by sides and American' s calling up total points? Any one know how that happened? Could it be that damn metric system again:D Just wondering...JDinAB

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Y' know, JD. When I first moved to Colorado from New England nearly 20 years ago, A guy that I worked with ( a Colorado native) said " You guys from back East cheat. You call a 4X4 whitetail an eight point!" I replied: " Well if it has 8 points, it has eight points. What' s the purpose of breaking it down by side? It seems like unnecessary talking to me. I mean, a man with 4 fingers on one hand, and five on the other would just say he has nine fingers. He wouldn' t call himself a 5X4, now would he!?" The thing that gets me is that the simple, obvious mathamatical truth is that they add up to the same damn thing! However, some people, for whatever inexplicable reasons, get upset if you don' t use their particular " language" when referring to the arrangement of male ungulate headgear.

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I never could figure out that dang metric system! LOL [:o]

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In my youth when I used to read every outdoor mag I could get my hands on normally mulies and elk were the 4X4' s and whitetails were 8 pointers, I never thought of it as a Canadian vs American thing.

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Beans...lmao! :D

An 8pt is an 8pt is an 8pt...any way you look at it! My good buddy that moved to montana...he now calls them 4x4' s....after 28 years of living in the east and calling them 8pt' s. LOL...to each his own, huh? [:-]

I always wondered what they call a deer with only one spike. 0x1??? ;)

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I have always heard elk and mule deer refered to by 4X4, 6X6,..etc, and whitetails refered to by their total number of points. The assumption I was making is that it depended on the type of animal, but, from the posts I read here, it sounds like it may be a geographic thing.

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I don' t think they count the mulie' s brow tines either.

Scott Meier
White Oak Lodge

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Don' t count the brow tines? You gotta be crazy, that is a point!!

My only question is.......if you have a 4 x 6, which side has 4 and which side has six? It would be kind of silly to break it down if it didn' t do anything at all.

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It' s eastern count vs. western count, not a US & Canada thing. Calling a 10-point a 5X5 doesn' t bother me though--I can add. :D

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You can add. Then a 5x5=25 and a 5+5=10.:D

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Now wait a second. I thought a 4x4 was like a sport utility or pickup truck. You mean they have deer that can go through snow, ice and rainy weather just as good?

;)

8 pointer it is....:D

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I still think it is a regional thing. Down south we call a Pepsi a ' soda' and up north they call it a ' pop' . I did drive my 4x4 to my hunting spot two days ago and shot a nice 8 point. lol

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Seems to me like we win!

8 pointer :D

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Only cuz ya cheated! LOL![>:]:D
It' s a geographical thing. Here in this part of the country, it' s a 4x4. And we don' t count brow tines!

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It isnt an American/Canadian thing, it' s an American/American/Canadian thing... We in Washington call them 4x4s, or just 4 points... We dont need to add them all up just to make the deer seem bigger. [:-] And YES, we can count, and NO it' s not that we' re lazy... I know you would joke if I hadnt said it.

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no no no, Southerners call " Coke" Pop, Northerners, who have better tast, call " PEPSI" SODA!! :D

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why don' t you count the brow tines ??

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Here in Texas we just call it an 8 pointer.

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8 points is 8 points. I don' t like to do the math, it gives me a headache. ;):D

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Calling it an 8 point makes it sound bigger to some people.Myself and the people I hunt with call antlers by approximate B&C score which gives you an accurate idea of what kind of deer you are talking about.The term 8 point could refer to a young deer with small antlers that have 8 points in total or to a mature trophy buck.

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I am from Colorado, and we call them by the sides!! Gives a better idea of symetry and what not

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I am not sure if i can answer that ? very well

I am a westerner been here all my life and a pop is a pop be it coke or pepsi
on a muley i have always scored them by the upper points (above the main shaft and after the initial split or fork) a typical being a 4x4 or 4 point wich in actuality would be in most cases a 10 point if scored on the eastern system if you include the brow tines (this being on muleys only)
on elk it is the number of points per side
on whitetail i have always scored them as total points both sides brow tines included

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here in my neck of the woods we call them 8 pointers:D

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Wait a second Indiana isn' t in the south and we call pepsi and coke soda. We add our points, any and all of them we can find, including brow tines

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Some mule deer and some blacktail deer don' t have brow tines is the reason I believe we don' t count them . the double browtine is the exception rather than the rule .

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My truck is a 4x4 not my deer;)

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Hey if I walk into a bar and order a scotch and soda I better not get coke or pepsi.:D ps the chaser should be on the side;)

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What the heck is a " pop" ? Sounds like the noise that a toy gun makes. :) Here in PA we call it soda. And who drinks Pepsi anyway? Coke is the way to go. :D

You mean there are places that do not count brow tines? That is unusual and the first I have heard of it. That is sort of like not counting the main beams as a point, don' t ya think? :D

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Oh c' mon Frank....you know what a pop is. When you let loose the string on your bow.....that loud noise is a pop!;)[:o]

But around here pop is something you drink or something you do to a drunken idiot that won' t shut is mouth. Pop him in the nose!!

But the brow tine thing still throws me. I am counting every little point I can!!

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Geez, I don' t know.

I shot a 10 point last year (not a 10 x 10 by the way) ;)and I AM CANADIAN:D

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Back to remedial abreviations:

In this context " X" means " by" , not " times" (i.e. 5 " by" 5). Hint: a 6X6 elk doesn' t really have 36 points. ;)

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In Idaho we use total points on whitetails (10 total points is a 10 pointer) and count by the side for mule deer (4 points on a side is a 4 point).

Usually on the mulies if they are nontypical with more than 4 points to a side then we add in the brow tines.
Like if you had a nontypical with 7 points on a side you would also count the eye guards and call it an 8 x 8.

On a straight typical 4 pointer we do not add in the eye guards, normally.

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Good Lord! I may have started another civil war[:o]
I guess it' s more an east/west thing by the sounds of it. Or could it be the way we were brought up. I was told to call a 4X4 a 4 point. It always sounded small compared to the 8 point (I watched a lot of hunting on tv) the professional hunters shot. So I started calling them by both sides (sounds WAY bigger now):D
As for muleys, I was told not to count brow tines in my description...talk about sounding really small! So now I call em' by sides (including brow tines) just cus I like it that way. Any way you look at it, we' re pretty lucky we can do this hunting thing anyway! God bless us all on this anniversary...here' s to good hunting in both our FREE COUNTRIES:) JDinAB

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JRW' s post had me laughing out loud.

" Hey Joe-Bob, did you see that 36 pointer runnin' up the hill over there...."

:D

Come on now IBM. That is not my bow making that popping sound. It is the sound of those limbs on your bow delaminating......;)

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There you go stereotyping.....

You mean " Here in SE PA we call it soda"

Because here in NW, NC, & SW PA we call it POP:D;)[:o]
Heck, if you' re close enough to the NY line it even becomes.....PAAAP!:D

BTW, it' s still and 8 point up here![:-]

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We use the rough score and 4 point or 4x5(if unmatched) to describe a deer we saw or took. As to mulies it is a 4 and if he has brows with eye guards (again using the rough score to better describe the deer).

Tit for tat, really don' t matter much I think we all know what we are talking about. I will admit an 8 sounds better that 4 but it all equals the same. I agree with SJ adding the score more accurately describes the deer. For small ones we use terms like dink, handle bars, basket, etc, again a vivid picture of what has been seen.

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thank you jjt :D:D ,

we go by points here , and the measurement if it' s big enough , but we do count points , any and all we can find

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In Oklahoma its called pop. We count total points, if it has 8 points its an 8 pointer etc. My dad lives in Oregon and they do the 4x4 or 4 pointer = 8 pointer etc crap.

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Skeeter-If everyone had access to the caliber of deer we are fortunate to hunt in alberta and saskatchewan I don' t think they would feel the need to call a 4x4 an 8 point to make it sound bigger.

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Stubblejumper-nailed the head on that one;)