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Old 11-28-2011 | 12:06 AM
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Around here I wouldnt mention it, mostly because the last couple crarcass piles I found the DNR left thier themselves.
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I believe they look into the brain checking for CWD.
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Old 11-28-2011 | 02:57 AM
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Cutting off racks and leaving the carcass is illegal in Michigan. Oh, and they WILL prosecute you. You have to dispose of the carcas/parts in a "approved" landfill, it used to be after you processed your deer you could throw unused parts out in the trash pick-up. Not anymore, you will get ticketed for improper disposal of infectious waste AND littering. BTW, who ever did that is despicable and immoral IMO. Turn it in!
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Old 11-28-2011 | 03:23 AM
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Thanks, everyone....

I called the Nat'l Forest's nearby ranger district office yesterday, and left a message on their voice mail reporting what I saw on Saturday, and for them to call me back if they have further questions.

I doubt there is anything that could be done at this point, but, they might send someone out to check the carcasses and/or remove them from the spot.
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Old 11-28-2011 | 05:03 AM
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A worse, and possibly more dangerous scenario would be finding the perps in the act. What then? Particularly if they see you. Obviously, if you are not seen, you have the opportuntiy to back out and call the authorities.

Unfortunately, that would be a dicey situation. Even if you are sure they are the perps (and not another party who just stumbled on the same site as you), You are dealing with armed people but, would a citizen's arrest allow you to disarm them and hold them for police? What if they resist? What are you able to do under your state's laws?

Lots of questions. Any lawyers out there that actually know?
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Old 11-28-2011 | 05:18 AM
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Indian Graves Ridge to name one.

We don't know the circumstances of what you've found. We can't pass judgement on others, even unknown others whom we feel strongly about.
We simply don't know what happened.

On the other hand, almost every DNR ENCON office has an anonymous tip line in operation. Make use of it, protect our sport!

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Old 11-28-2011 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Bullets
A worse, and possibly more dangerous scenario would be finding the perps in the act. What then? Particularly if they see you. Obviously, if you are not seen, you have the opportuntiy to back out and call the authorities.

Unfortunately, that would be a dicey situation. Even if you are sure they are the perps (and not another party who just stumbled on the same site as you), You are dealing with armed people but, would a citizen's arrest allow you to disarm them and hold them for police? What if they resist? What are you able to do under your state's laws?

Lots of questions. Any lawyers out there that actually know?
Not sure trying to make a citizens arrest would be a wise move, considering the size and remoteness of the area. Would you let someone disarm and detain you in the middle of a 1 million acre forest?
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Old 11-28-2011 | 09:47 AM
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Not sure trying to make a citizens arrest would be a wise move, considering the size and remoteness of the area. Would you let someone disarm and detain you in the middle of a 1 million acre forest?
No but, I would not be poaching either. My hypothetical was putting the reader in the place the originaltor of this thread. You come upon (to clarify) a situation of obvious illegal activity; what, if anything, do you do?

Play along and accept the situation. Then give us your answer. That is the point of the exercise.
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Old 11-28-2011 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Bullets
No but, I would not be poaching either. My hypothetical was putting the reader in the place the originaltor of this thread. You come upon (to clarify) a situation of obvious illegal activity; what, if anything, do you do?

Play along and accept the situation. Then give us your answer. That is the point of the exercise.
That is what I mean.....as a law abiding, ethical hunter you would not let someone disarm you.....do you really think it is a wise move to try to effect a citizens arrest, in a remote area, on armed individuals you know nothing about?

As to what I'd do? I would get as many identifying features(physical description, liscense tag, type of vehicle in area) as I could and report it to the VA Dept of Game & Inland Fisheries.
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Old 11-29-2011 | 05:41 AM
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Okay, but they see you. You do not know what they will do. What, if anything would you say to them as you back away?

I would sugggest everyone think about this in advance. It will be too late when and if it happens. The course of action, to the extent possible, must be decided in advance.
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Old 11-29-2011 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Bullets
Okay, but they see you. You do not know what they will do. What, if anything would you say to them as you back away?

I would sugggest everyone think about this in advance. It will be too late when and if it happens. The course of action, to the extent possible, must be decided in advance.
What would you do in your own scenario?
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