New Idea for SCENT ELIMINATOR
 

After doing reserch and product testing on odor control products fo the hunting induestry since about 1992, and being the person who started the very successful campaign to get the the truth out about Scent Lok's inability to work as advertised, I can tell you that there is work being done on a whole new concept in odor elimination for hunters, but I'm not sure when it will be available to hunters.

In the meantime, probably the best thing you can use is use cyclodextrene, which is the active ingredient in Febreze. It is a natural occuring sugar compund, configured in the shape of a cone. One side of the chemical is hydrophobic (doesn't like water, while the other side is hydrophylic (attracts water).

Unlike activated carbon, cyclodextrene actually attracts odors, and holds them in until you wash the fabric in cold water, when it lets go of those scents. YOu woudl have to use completely unscented Febreze, which many not be available, or just cyclodextrine, possibly from a hospital supply.

It may only work for a day, but it is actually the best thing out there right now for controlling unnatural odros on hunters. It has been used for years by the medical industry to control the odors from wounds (which should tell you something).

One website said this about wound control.

"Charcoal activity, on the other hand, decreases in the presence of wound exudates because serum proteins in the exudates deactivate in the presence of wound exudates. Additionally, cyclodextrins intrinsically have a longer active time of odor-absorbing function by nature of their material."

To use it - completely douse at least your innermost and outermost layers with the spray, let dry, and you are ready to go.


T.R.

Sounds logical, I might have to give it a try.

Sounds like spam to me. Wash up with odorless soap before you go hunting and try and keep scent to a minimum playing the wind. That's my tip to you all. Use Scent Lok or this new mumbo jumbo however you want but in the end, a deer will smell you, it's all about how well they do. Like you are there or were once there. And even then it might not matter. Wash up and keep the scent to a minimum, playing the wind, and go hunt!

like when you said this?

Amen. Do what works for you. If you like Scent Lok, go for it. If you like copper, which is the new rage, do it. They all HELP. They don't eliminate entirely. Again, for my money, baking soda in the washing machine for my clothes and odorless soap and deodorant for my body plus cheap plastic ziplock bags for my clothes and an open box of baking soda in my hunting closet are all that I need. Four letters - W-I-N-D.

Why would my saying that Febreze workd to eliminate odors, when I am in no way associated with them, be Spam??? I have absolutely nothing to gain by saying this. I'm more than a little confused as to how it is spam.

You don't have to belive me about cyclodextrin, or cyclodextrene, do an internet search yourself, using the term "cyclocdextren for odor control".

As to my previous belief in Scent Lok (which is a well known fact), after several years of use, on deer I had been researching for about 5 years, I began to realize that it did nto make much difference what I wore, the deer did not react to smellng me. The reason why was because I spent so much time on the property - that they became accustomed to my smell, or "familiarized" as I call it.

The kicker was when I noticed that when I came home sweating, I was covered with black charcoal dust. I called Greg Sesselman, owner of Scent Lok, and asked him what was up. He said it was just "excess carbon" that came loose from the fabric. He then asked me how many days a year I was in the woods. When I said 120-160, he told me that I would probably need about three suits per year, because the suits would "wear out". That is when I became suspicious.

Then one day, when I just waked onto the hayfield, to get up on a hill and look over the propery, I saw a doe downwind of me at about 35 yards. She did see me, because she stopped and stared at me. But, she did not snort, stamp her foot, make as if feeding and then suddenly jerk her head up (to startle me into moving) or run off. She just stood there for a while, then walked off. I the next week I had 2-3 more deer do the same thing, and none of the times was I wearing a Scent Lok suit, nor had I used any hunter sprays or soap or detergent.

I came to the realization that my original asessment and conclusion about the effectiveness of Scent Lok was wrong. So I began contacting chemsts at 3M here in St, Paul. MN, and at the U of MN. Then I read up on activated carbon on as many websites as I could find (dozens). You'll find much of my findings on activated carbon on the "Scent Lok Saga" pages of my website.

I came to the conclusion that activated carbon could not work to eliminate human odors as advertised by scnet Lok, nor could it be re-activaated in a household dryer as stated on their website. I, and everyone else who purchsed a suit, had been lied to, or "defrauded" as the MN Federal Court System determined in the court trail against Scent Lok.

I was wrong. It probably was not the first time, but hopefully will be the last time. But, I admitted it, and made a point of rectifying whatever part I was responsible for in duping hunters out of their hard earned money, by startng the whole campaign against Scent Lok on another hunting forum, and keeping it going, until some hunters decided to start a Class Action Lawsuit agaisnt Scent Lok, which they eventually won.

So - as I said, you do not have to believe me, do your own internet research on the effeciveness of cyclodextrine on reducing odors. Here are a few websites to check out, none of which belong to Proctor and Gamble, the manufacturers of Febreze. If some other company offers cyclodextrene as an odor reducing product on fabric, you can use it too.

This comes from one of those sites.

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Apparels with Cyclodextrin finish:

Cyclodextrin is produced from starch through enzymatic conversion. It posses a cylindrical structure which acts like a host and can absorb guest molecules inside the structure and release them later on. This hydrophobic cavity present in cyclodextrin molecules can react as odor impeding property in textiles. The hydrophobic cavities are capable to absorb and store sweat and odor from the environment. Once their storage capacity is finished, they will not work any longer. Their capacity can be renewed through washing the garment. Yet another possibility of cyclodextrin finishing on garments is to fill the substance with perfume through a spray or through a softener in laundry. When the apparel is worn, the perfume is released from the substance blocking the body odor.

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http://www.springerlink.com/content/v3vq972882jv4146/
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5429628.html
http://www.wacker.com/cms/media/publications/downloads/6223_EN.pdf
http://www.matmanmag.com/matmanmag_app/jsp/articledisplay.jsp?dcrpath=MATMANMAG/PubsNewsArticleGen/data/02FEB2007/0702MMH_FEA_PatCare&domain=MATMANMAG

God bless,

T.R.

i think its brilliant that you come in and edit your op after i show an old post by you. it matches your other post now..nice job.

Let me splain again, if your gramma was still around and you told here clothes could hold stink until you washed them she'd probably wonder what happened to your common sense. ALL CLOTHES ABSORB STINK AND ALL CLOTHES GIVE STINK UP WHEN YOU WASH THEM.

I did not edit anything that related to anything you implied. I cna't remember exacly, but I think all I did was correct my typos and spelling erors. So, you are off base.

You know, on most forums, and in most conversations, it is common decency not to say anything, if you can't say somethign nice.

This has become one of the rudest talk forums on the internet. It does not speak well for all of the really nice people here. thos I hvde come to be friend wth after about 10 years.

I'll bet you guys would get really upset if someone came in and responded like this - every chance they got. Not exactly Christian behavior.

God bless,

T.R.

Apparently there is no such thing as unscented Febreze.

http://www.amazon.com/Febreze-Fabric...owViewpoints=1

"It was advertised as unscented. However, the bottle says fresh clean scent, and "perfume" is listed in the ingredients. The scent is still just as powerful as regular store bought Febreze. Also note, as I found out after purchasing this, Febreze's FAQ states that they do not offer an unscented fabric refresher."

FAQ at the Febreze site: http://homemadesimple.custhelp.com/a...19LCJjIjoyfQ..

Well, if I understand it correcly, it will not release the perfume, because of the hydrophilic properties, until water is added to it, or it is heated to the point where it becomes gaseous, but I could be wrong. Maybe this is why that manufacturer is working to get a new hunter's version???

If it smells, don't use it, and we should all look for a version that has no perfume> i'm thinking the stuff used in hospitals on wound care may be perfume free. Anyone now a medical supply salesman???

If they have a flower smelling verion it migh still work. Anyoen dar to field test it? Possibly on pened deer first. Someoen call a dee urine manufacturer or breeder.

Thyis iw how it is done. lt is called research and development. Watch, one of you guys will figure it out - and make a million bucks selling it.
But, I have a friend who is working on an even better ide, byut it may not be out until next year.

Here is an article I wrote a few years ago, which is stilll valid today.


Want to reduce odors while you hunt? Here is what you can do.

It is bacteria on the skin that produces the odor associated with human perspiration. What scent elimination products and clothing are trying to do is eliminate at least that smell. Obviously the best way to do that is to eliminate the bacteria; and bacteria needs moisture to grow. So - to reduce human perspiration body odor:

1. Use antibacterial soaps and shampoo, (that don't smell) every time - before you hunt.

2. Use an antibacterial spray, gel or lotion that will kill re-growth bacteria (it will only take an hour or more for bacteria to regrow and start to smell), on your clothing, and/or on you body (in areas where it is most likely to grow [which are areas that contain moisture]) such as your armpits, butt, groin and head, and beard (if you have one). This includes Scent Killer (by Wildlife Research), Sport Wash and N O Dor (by Atsko/Sno-Seal), Scent Shield (by Robinson Laboratories)

3. Use an unscented antibacterial deodorant (to reduce any odors you do produce later on - after bacterial re-growth).

4. Wear moisture wicking underwear, such as polypropelene, Under Amror etc. To keep body moisture to a minimum (so bacterial growth is slowed down)

5. Wear clothing with antibacterials, such as triclosan, mycosan, copper or silver, to kill re-growth bacteria (while you hunt). Clothing designed to kill bacteria, using mycosan, triclosan or silver, needs to be worn against the skin.

6.You can make your clothes smell like the local surroundings by putting them in an odor free container (paper bag), and throwing in leaves, needles or dirt form the area you hunt, when you get there.

7. Do not wear your hunting clothes, boots, gloves or hat until you get out of your vehicle, or wear them to the gas station or restaurant before you hunt, you may pick up scents that will spook the deer.

Activated carbon clothing (depending on how well it covers the entire surface of the fabric, and how thick of a layer it is) can help to reduce human perspiration (and other) odors, but probably only for 1-4 hours after it is first put on. So why waste your money?

And, there are other scents you come in contact with minute by minute, urine and Lysol or other cleaning products when you stopped and took a leak, gas on the concrete when you filled up or spilled on your hand, bacon grease from eating at home or worse yet all those smells at a restaurant. Dog odor, wife’s perfume, personal medications used, bad breath, toothpaste, air freshener in the vehicle - it is endless.

I can tell you the none manufacturer is working on a way to incorporate unscented cyclodextrene and an antibacterial, to be used on clothing, which may be out this year. But, maybe not, I’ll let you know as times goes on. I also know that there are some new chemicals out of China, that are supposed to encapsulate human odor. That would help, but only with human odor. We need something all encompassing, that would help reduce (nothing can completely eliminate all odors) a broad spectrum of human associated odors.

Or, maybe we should just keep real clean using the steps above, and play the wind.

I just got this response form a very avid whitetailhunter on teh Ontaio Bucks Talk Forum - whom I trus completely.

Maybe we can use it.

T.R.

Interesting TR. I stopped using Scent-Lok long ago. Been using Scent-away products for years and have been happy w/ them. But this season I'm going to try SEEMZ. They donated their product to our deer tour folks and I will put it to the test as I will be hunting/filming for 28 days straight in multiple states. I have really high hopes for this product as I've heard some good things about it from people I trust.

Re: Febreeze - I actually used it a few years ago to soak my boots in. Worked pretty well from what I could tell.

I didn't, but then again I know there must be a logical explanation for so many people claiming it works. I believe I understand why and I use that understanding. It works.

ALS Enterprises, Inc., owners and marketer of the Scent-Lok® brand of scent control hunting apparel, has claimed a major victory in the long-standing class action lawsuit that challenged the products’ ability to control human odor. After four years of litigation, which was brought by a group of five Minnesota hunters, a federal appeals court issued its decision on August 18, rejecting plaintiffs’ core allegations and overturning an injunction issued last year.



Among other things, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit noted that evidence introduced in the district court showed that carbon-containing hunting clothing dramatically outperformed non-carbon clothing at adsorbing odors: “Defendants’ expert, Dr. Hartman, conducted quantitative permeation testing and estimated that Defendants’ products ‘blocked’ ninety-six to ninety-nine percent of odor compounds, whereas non-carbon garments blocked only five to fifty-five percent.”



The Eighth Circuit also ruled that ALS’s use of the terms “odor eliminating” and “reactivation” in describing its products was not literally false, and that the district court had erred in basing “its determination of literal falsity on the most absolute of competing dictionary definitions of the word ‘eliminate.’” In support, the Court noted that “Defendants introduced evidence of substantial customer satisfaction with ALS’s Scent-Lok® products, as well as evidence that, when those products first came on the market in the early 1990’s, numerous soaps, powders, and cover sprays were being marketed to deer hunters as ‘odor-eliminating’ products.”



The Court also ruled that “Plaintiffs led the district court into error” in entering an injunction, and ordered the dismissal of all claims for injunctive relief because “Plaintiffs failed to prove both the requisite irreparable injury and their core allegations that Defendants’ use of the terms ‘odor eliminating’ and ‘reactivation’ were literally false.”



Scent-Lok® president and inventor of activated-carbon hunting apparel, Greg Sesselmann, commented: “We are gratified by the decision. It gives me great satisfaction that our products continue to provide hunters the ability to get close to wildlife and experience the beauty of nature like never before. At the same time, we are saddened at the burden that this lawsuit has caused our team members and their families, as well as the frustration that our retailers, field staff and sales rep organizations have experienced. We thank all of those who have stood beside us in this fight, especially our ultimate customers—people who have purchased Scent-Lok® gear and know that it works.”



“Customers have never needed an attorney to get total satisfaction from our company.” Sesselmann remarked. “Our satisfaction level is extremely high and, based on the unsolicited testimonials that we receive and our own experience in the field, we know that Scent-Lok® products are highly effective at reducing odors. On behalf of our retail partners, we remain focused on making the best hunting apparel in the world."



This is a press release on Aug. 19 2011 saying it does work and from my hunting experience I am a firm believer it does, taking my last two 4 1/2 year old bucks down wind.

As i may hve sasi, we werafraid this woudl h appen, because teh lawyerss did not attack the use of activated cabon for thsi specific applicatin as well a they could hve, and did not follow up on reactivation claims enouggh.
I think we all know that it will not rduce 100% of you odors 100% of thetime, which is waht tey initially adversied, if I remember correctly.

What this means is they can go on scamming hunters - with falsehoods and half-truths, and some hunters are gullible enough to buy into that advertising. I could not say those things - when I knew they were not true. I do not see how their consciences can be clear - mine would not be.

I think what they are doing is wrong, but then it is all about the almighty dollar.

God bless,

T.R.

Isn't this the premise for the No Trace scent elimination clothing (now defunct) and the new Under Armor Capture scent elimination clothing?

I see the Under Armor Capture in Cabelas catalogs, but have heard no one talking about it. Their crap costs too much anyhow.

Maybe everybody just has a bad taste in their mouth from the Scentlok brouhaha.

J.A. Hunter was an African big game guide and was paid by governments to hunt man killing animals. I think he was still active in to the 1940's. He used to sit in low trees to kill problem leapords and usually smoked cigarettes while doing so. When asked if the cats might smell the cigarette smoke he replied " If they can smell the cigarette, they can smell you". I used to trap a lot when I was a kid and you can believe it.

what else is the whole hunting industry about. its all a joke,you must wear camo,wrong!
you must wear scentlock,wrong! you must only kill mature bucks,wrong

Halfbaked...man...you are a riot...Great job smoking this one out.

People make mistakes, I've done what I can to correct mine.

"Let he who has no faults cast the first stone"

After watching the program on bullying on TV this last week, and learning how many children have commited suicide as a result of it, and learning that two more childern commited suicide in the area where we used to live, where two of my children were bullied in school, and one is receiving intensive treatment for Post Traumtic Shock Disorder, as a result of the bullying - 10 years ago - I've begun to realize that the abusive, negative, or maligning comments made on talk forums (often where the author is anonymous and can get by with it) are nothing more than the adult form of bullying. You'd think people would grow up - and that if they think of themsleves as Christians - that they would first ask thenmselves if what they are about to do - is what Jesus would do. If not - why do it? If they do not claim to be Christains, why can't they live by the Golden Rule, " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Has human kindness and decency gone by the wayside? Have ideas such as "respect your elders", "do unto others" etc been lost in our human experience advancement? Have we leaned nothing from the internal and external wars around th world or the attacks on our own soil?

Doesn't "just trying to get along, by leaving well enough alone" - mean anything to the younger generations - or has our complacency about such behavior, and the anonimity of talk forums - allowed, and probably fostered what is normally viewed as bad behavior - to be accepted as allowable behavior? Isn't behavior such as this what leads to low self esteen in those being maligned, and when others join in - to bullying - which may lead to suicide by some people?

Why do it? What possible positive outcome can come from such bad behavior? Do you not have anything better to do with your life, or is bullying what your life is all about?



May God bless you,


T.R.