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unethical hunting
did you all know that the boone and crockett club considers extream
long range shots at game is unethical,,and therefor not eligable for entry into the record books...how many hunters out there think you should be takeing long range shots at game over 1000 yards... |
this is not being aguementive or swearing in anyway shape or form so lets see how long it is befor im threatened again
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Over 1000 yards is a lil extreme, however if you can hit a pie plate at over 1000yds every single time and feel comfortable with it then by all means take the shot... I personally would never take a shot that far out...
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like woody said, if you can consistently do it than do it up...but if you can't...dont take a chance to wound an animal.
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I shot 1000+ yards with my .50 Cal all the time consistantly hitting a six inch target. But I would never use it on an animal nor would I ever take a shot that far out with a hunting rifle, thats a tad far in field conditions.
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There's a few good men out there that can make those shots regularly but most don't have a clue and even if they got lucky once it's nothing that should be promoted to the novice shooter. But I don't think there should be a yardage limitation. There's a lot in the books that killed by not so ethical means that slipped through the cracks. What about these world records that were killed decades ago that came to light recently like the Arizona elk killed in the 60's. Who says the guy didn't poach that bull in the first place. Some old farmer out feeding cows in March and the stands a big bull. We have enough rules. If they are going to do anything separate the ones taken on public land vs the ones taken on private land.
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the fact remains that it doesnt matter how good a shot someone is ,takeing shots at game is not only foolhearty it is unethical...we dont hunt with 50 cal barrett rifles nore do we hunt in pefect windless days...one gust of wind ,,one tweak of your form and you have a badly wounded animal that will suffer for days on end, and what if peta gets ahold of this kind of thing...they would have a feild day with look at this...as hunters we have the duty to dispatch our game in a quick clean harvest...we all know this doesnt always happen,,but why should we take chances like this...game animals are not pie plates the move and breathe..a 30-06 150 grn psp bullit
traveling at 2820fps drops 522.85 inches at 1000 yards when zeroed at 100 yards.thats 43.57 feet...so this shows you whats involved at long range shots,,,national match shoots in little rock uses 36 inch bull eyes at 1000 yards..3 ft bullseyes. fyi |
So what is the yardage cutoff for "ethical"?
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Originally Posted by vermont bowhunter
(Post 3678117)
the fact remains that it doesnt matter how good a shot someone is ,takeing shots at game is not only foolhearty it is unethical...we dont hunt with 50 cal barrett rifles nore do we hunt in pefect windless days...one gust of wind ,,one tweak of your form and you have a badly wounded animal that will suffer for days on end, and what if peta gets ahold of this kind of thing...they would have a feild day with look at this...as hunters we have the duty to dispatch our game in a quick clean harvest...we all know this doesnt always happen,,but why should we take chances like this...
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Originally Posted by SteveBNy
(Post 3678123)
So what is the yardage cutoff for "ethical"?
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A few years ago there was an article about a group that went up in the mountains, set up basically a bench rest, got out their special rifles/bullets, and waited for something to move out that far. Then they would lob bullets, sometimes taking multiple shots before the animal moved because they wouldn't hear the shot, basically hoping for a hit. They admitted that they rarely went to the spot the animal was at to see if there was a blood trail if the animal didn't luckily drop at the shot. I've always said that if it was legal to have at it, but this type of shooting is one that I'm not in agreement with.
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most hunting rifles these days have the ability to take game at 500 yards or less.i myself dont think anyone should shoot over 400.and thats dicey on live animals. with out useing a ballistic chart i cant even tell how much hold over you need at 400. and i agree with you 100% paantlers. even though you can do it you never would,,thats a
ethical hunter...way to go |
if 400 is good for you, thats great!
just like you can do that with 400, sum people can do that at 1000. they feel the same way about 1000 as you do 400... so whats the real difference? answer...there is no difference...same thing. comfortable zone http://www.longrangehunting.com/ go take a look around there... these guys are skilled and know their ****. these guys didnt roll outta bed and decide to do this today... some will tell ya they been doin it 30 years and are just figuring it all out! we depend on guys like these to take mile long shots to protect our own. did ya see the "pirate" thing? where they shot like 3 people, at sea in wavy conditions, on different boats, at the same time? some guys have it, and some dont...i wish i did, but i aint hating on those that can :confused0024: |
ahhhh sup vb, wb...see ya tonight
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couple of questions....since you brought it up????
Originally Posted by vermont bowhunter
(Post 3678117)
the fact remains that it doesnt matter how good a shot someone is ,takeing shots at game is not only foolhearty it is unethical...we dont hunt with 50 cal barrett rifles nore do we hunt in pefect windless days...one gust of wind ,,one tweak of your form and you have a badly wounded animal that will suffer for days on end, and what if peta gets ahold of this kind of thing...they would have a feild day with look at this...as hunters we have the duty to dispatch our game in a quick clean harvest...we all know this doesnt always happen,,but why should we take chances like this...game animals are not pie plates the move and breathe..a 30-06 150 grn psp bullit
traveling at 2820fps drops 522.85 inches at 1000 yards when zeroed at 100 yards.thats 43.57 feet...so this shows you whats involved at long range shots,,,national match shoots in little rock uses 36 inch bull eyes at 1000 yards..3 ft bullseyes. fyi Why would you zero your weapon at 100 yards, for a 1000 yard shot? You mention wind, what about air density and dew point? Why would you start this thread if PETA is a concern of yours? One little tweak in form, at a 1000 yards, makes that animal safer than it ever has been. You never mentioned (what I think is most important), is the kinetic energy at 1000 yards for your round? |
Originally Posted by halfbakedi420
(Post 3678144)
they feel the same way about 1000 as you do 400...
so whats the real difference? answer...there is no difference...same thing. comfortable zone From a dictionary: eth·ics –plural noun 1. ( used with a singular or plural verb  ) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture. 2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics. |
"HUNTING" for me means trying to get close, not trying to get far away.
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Again as I have also said in other posting. What ever your comfort level and abilities are. I would not try a shot of 100 yards as I know my abilities are not that good even with the best rifle and loads. So for me anything over 100 yards is unethical. So does that mean it is the same for all other hunters. Not likely. Each of us must set our own ethical standards due to our own abilities. Can some make a kill shot at 1000 yards? Yes they can so is it an ethical shot for all of us? No it is not. So again asking such a generic question like is a 1000 yards shot ethical is like asking if you can kill a deer with a slingshot. There are maybe one or two people in the world who could but not the majority of us. So what is right or wrong depends on the individual and the laws of the area that you are hunting in.
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Originally Posted by vapahunter
(Post 3678267)
Again as I have also said in other posting. What ever your comfort level and abilities are.
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that's stupid and not even hunting!!!!!!!!!!!!
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x2 save long shots for the range.Forgot to add your shooting bench and sand bags to your set-up.
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Marine Corps snipers! Best hunters in the world.
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Originally Posted by noidurism
(Post 3678455)
that's stupid and not even hunting!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ethical IS .....what is ethical in YOUR own mind. You decide, no one else. It does not matter what someone else thinks, says, does..... Get over it!
Live it up!~ Doug |
well i guess im not alone in my opinion about takeing unethical shots at long distances...so i guess i have a few allies out there...it seams like theres some that cant stand not agueing even when not in a chat room,,,i will not be baited into an aguement with this and i use this term loosely,,,( hunter) i guess no one saw the reserch i did about boone and crockett saying it is unethical and therefor game taken like this was not elegible for entry into the books...this was on tv by the way...i have nothing against him or any other hunter ,,i do however have issue with his kind of hunting...and i dont believe hunting .net should uphold this kind of hunting pure and simple...ridge runner please stop stalking me here and in chat,,,,
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It is every hunter's responsibility to know their equipment to the extent to make sure they make a clean and ethical shot and that pertains to distance no matter how what range.
if a person knows his capabilties - distance is irrelevant! and I for one would like to see where that is stated in B&C as it sure is not listed on their home page. Unless I missed it JW |
Originally Posted by Otsdawa_Game_Hunter
(Post 3678487)
Marine Corps snipers! Best hunters in the world.
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Ridge Runner,
Good shooting is all I have to say (over 1,000 yards - GREAT shooting !) I (me) just don't call that "hunting" (spot and stalk-you know what I mean). Please don't misunderstand................I tip my hat to you for your shooting abilities !!! No moral judgements here.........................Do your thing. |
Originally Posted by Sheridan
(Post 3678653)
Ridge Runner,
Good shooting is all I have to say (over 1,000 yards - GREAT shooting !) I (me) just don't call that "hunting" (spot and stalk-you know what I mean). Please don't misunderstand................I tip my hat to you for your shooting abilities !!! No moral judgements here.........................Do your thing. Not to many can come within a few yards, or sometimes even a few feet. That's hunting. |
sorry but if i could shoot that good,id do it.can u all say that u wouldnt?
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Originally Posted by skinnnner
(Post 3678701)
sorry but if i could shoot that good,id do it.can u all say that u wouldnt?
if i could shoot that good, i'd be picking off osama and his followers!!!!!!:happy0001: |
Originally Posted by noidurism
(Post 3678732)
i can definitely say that i would not. i like to get as close as i can to a deer!!!!!
if i could shoot that good, i'd be picking off osama and his followers!!!!!!:happy0001: |
Originally Posted by skinnnner
(Post 3678838)
so if that trophy buck walked out and u knew u could make the shot from many hours experiance at the range,you wouldnt take it?
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Originally Posted by halfbakedi420
(Post 3678860)
dude you cant ask that now, cause if they say no, then it means they just shouldnt shoot at all..we are talking about comfort zone right?
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you boys can stir up trouble for your friend all you want to,,,but at the end of the day you all know its wrong to do,,,any hunter worth anything will tell you that...we dont shoot at deer at 1350 yards in vermont...not because we cant but because it isnt the right thing to do...i dont care how good a shot someone is and how much they practice..that is a live animal out there and can you say it wouldnt move to just eat something or take a step..look at it this way i shoot bow alot,,i used to have an old bear compound..used it till one day i shot at a little buck at 20 yards and he actully turned befor the arrow hit him in the chest instead of behind the shoulder...my shot was dead on but the animal moved...the next year i got a better bow when i could aford one...i dont believe anyone ,,and i repeate this (anyone) with any GUN MADE NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE SHOULD BE SHOOTING AT DEER AT OVER 4000 FEET.hey standing up for your pal is great.....being just plain ignorant isnt...time to put on your big boy underwear and deal with it...theres been many people here that said you shouldnt be doing such things so im not alone nor will i be changeing my mind any time soon,,,you have the right in my mind to not believe what i say,,,but so do i,,,if your trying to get me to swear or argue so i can be booted again your sadly mistaken,,,you should go practice some more....
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for everyones information skinner and half baked are friends of the gentilman i was in this very heated discushion with, sorry for my spelling.they was also the ones stiring the pot to get me chat ban,,i find it very funny that someone as capable as this long distance killer has to have his pals post for him,,,,lol
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Originally Posted by vermont bowhunter
(Post 3678947)
you boys can stir up trouble for your friend all you want to,,,but at the end of the day you all know its wrong to do,,,any hunter worth anything will tell you that...we dont shoot at deer at 1350 yards in vermont...not because we cant but because it isnt the right thing to do...i dont care how good a shot someone is and how much they practice..that is a live animal out there and can you say it wouldnt move to just eat something or take a step..look at it this way i shoot bow alot,,i used to have an old bear compound..used it till one day i shot at a little buck at 20 yards and he actully turned befor the arrow hit him in the chest instead of behind the shoulder...my shot was dead on but the animal moved...the next year i got a better bow when i could aford one...i dont believe anyone ,,and i repeate this (anyone) with any GUN MADE NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE SHOULD BE SHOOTING AT DEER AT OVER 4000 FEET.hey standing up for your pal is great.....being just plain ignorant isnt...time to put on your big boy underwear and deal with it...theres been many people here that said you shouldnt be doing such things so im not alone nor will i be changeing my mind any time soon,,,you have the right in my mind to not believe what i say,,,but so do i,,,if your trying to get me to swear or argue so i can be booted again your sadly mistaken,,,you should go practice some more....
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Okay - Please read the HNI rules - argueing aobut what happened or didn't happen is off topic.
the question is is it ethical and to some it is NOT and some it IS! Each their own as it was so politley pointed out by another user Ehtics is what YOU make if it! So What is Ethical Pertains to what is right and wrong! No one is wrong here it is a matter of difference of opinion. If it is legal - then it is not unethical. What is Ethics They are rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular group or culture. In this case it is a bow hunter who like animals close and a long range hunter who like animals at a distance. Each knows their own equipment limitations and that is one of the steps we as ethical hunters really need to do. Know our equipment and to make a clean quick ethical shot. An Ethic is Is a body of moral principles or values associated with a particular culture or group So again to recap ~ What is an Ethic? Definition A person who knows and respects the animals hunted, follows the law and regualtions, and behaves in a way that will satisfy what society expects of him or her as a “HUNTER.” This definition has three main parts: 1. knowing and respecting the animals 2. obeying the law and, 3. behaving in the right way Direct from my Hunter Ed class I teach. But do read the HNI Rules ~ stop the bashing of each other! To help you ~ here is the link http://www.huntingnet.com/staticpage...il.aspx?id=291 JW |
Originally Posted by JW!
(Post 3678983)
Okay - Please read the HNI rules - argueing aobut what happened or didn't happen is off topic.
the question is is it ethical and to some it is NOT and some it IS! Each their own as it was so politley pointed out by another user Ehtics is what YOU make if it! So What is Ethical Pertains to what is right and wrong! No one is wrong here it is a matter of difference of opinion. If it is legal - then it is not unethical. What is Ethics They are rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular group or culture. In this case it is a bow hunter who like animals close and a long range hunter who like animals at a distance. Each knows their own equipment limitations and that is one of the steps we as ethical hunters really need to do. Know our equipment and to make a clean quick ethical shot. An Ethic is Is a body of moral principles or values associated with a particular culture or group So again to recap ~ What is an Ethic? Definition A person who knows and respects the animals hunted, follows the law and regualtions, and behaves in a way that will satisfy what society expects of him or her as a “HUNTER.” This definition has three main parts: 1. knowing and respecting the animals 2. obeying the law and, 3. behaving in the right way Direct from my Hunter Ed class I teach. But do read the HNI Rules ~ stop the bashing of each other! To help you ~ here is the link http://www.huntingnet.com/staticpage...il.aspx?id=291 JW |
i got my info on boone and crockett country tv show 10th show named trophy hunting reverse evelution...on out door channel. the web adress is bcclub@[email protected] be fair ive sent 2 e-mails to this website with no answeras to thier stance on the subject.but i have no reason to lie about it,,i believe if asked someone might be able to get a copy of the show...i for one am quite sick of this subject its my opinion on it and does not reflect others point of view...its plain to see that no one will be changeing there minds any time soon....thanks for the intervention jw its a dead subject to me from now on if im left alone by rr and his pals...
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