Coach,

One shot, one kill !

Right tool, for the right job.....................


That's the way we coach it.

When I was taking law classes, my sister an attorney, told me to focus on the issue. There are times in our lives when profound instances happen... or like Oprah's saying an "A Ha" moment. That one line from my sister is something I've taken to heart in most of my business dealings. You'll find here at the forum and others, some people are not good at sticking with the issue and use all sorts of smoke and mirrors to prove their point, dilute the issue or justify their reasoning with mere rhetoric. Through all that all you have to do is know the issue and stick with it. Simple as pie. LOL!

iSnipe

actually, it was the same day/weekend, and we had em hangin side by side, gettin em ready fer the cooler, and the damage was exactly why he said that. 30-06 was 5 times more devastating than the 223.

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mind you, these shots were takin at under 100yrds, and most cases less than 50.

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we have dog deer i guess you can say..if i were high tailin it to Saskatchewan, i would defiantly take my 300...just fer the record.

i have heard the..."i shot the jaw off" story too many times.

well, the military will tell you, if you wound 1 person, it take 1 or 2 guys to carry him, in thus, taking down 2 or 3 guys with 1 shot.

edit..i do realize this is what you are saying now...duh

Just out of curiosity; who's we, where do you hunt, what do hunt with, and what kind of teaching do you do? I'm not sure what you're getting at with this "one shot one kill" stuff which sounds to me more like some hard core military jargon from the movies rather than realistic hunting discussion. BTW, I've taken some animals with one shot, but I don't realistically expect that to happen every time because of a multitude of variables that can happen. Of course that's the ideal scenario, but what really is your point? I've been saying all along that placement is the most important factor, and that I also prefer the more typical .30 cal deer cartridges, but to each their own. If someone wants to use a .223, more power to them because it might work for them. I usually use a 30.06, 12 gauge w/rifled slugs, occasionally buckshot, and even .357 (both handgun or lever carbine) depending on my mood and situation. I guess I'm just not as good as you because sometimes I actually have to shoot more than once to kill my animals. Sounds a little far fetched to me that someone "ALWAYS" takes em down with just one. I guess that there's no need for any kind of a repeating rifle or other firearm designed for additional shots in your case. In all seriousness I don't feel that I'm that good that I'd use a Thompson Center Arms rifle, and I've stayed away from muzzle loaders for that reason, but they are apparently sufficient for many, but after all is said and done, I still prefer to have the capability of taking additional shots if needed. JMO! Just a little past history of my activity: early Dec 09 dropped a 4 point buck on opening day with a 12 gauge rifled slug in thick heavy brush at 75 yards, didn't get up but required a couple of humane follow up shots. later in December 09, dropped a good sized Russian boar 22 yards with one shot with a .357 revolver didn't get up but also required some follow up shots to totally put out his lights. Previous year: 2 boar and one deer (just a doe) with four shots. The doe went down and stayed down on the first but was still moving on the ground until the second shot. Year before that: a whole bunch of shots with all kinds of guns to take 3 boar among 3 hunters. Point is there's a lot of variables, and it's not always the same. Lets hear about your one shot one kill record. I'm so curious.

.223 is enough gun. I love deer and hog hunting with my ar-15. I typically take my .270 since i have hunted with it for over ten years, but i do like a little varity.

Coach,

"but what really is your point?"

My point is your reply to the right tool for the right job/one shot one kill.

"......a wrench could be an easier way to bang in a small nail rather than make a trip to the work bench......"

I don't shoot at deer with my .17HMR because I happen to have it in my hands.


BTW - I said coach because of your "handle" - sorry !!!

I'm from NJ, so I wouldn't want to give Jerseyites a bad name.


Also, I have had to take follow-up shots and/or finish an animal just like anyone else, but not because I didn't have the right gun with the right load for the game I was persueing at the time.

And I would not want to "coach" anyone to do otherwise.

When people have to ask about what "One shot, one kill" means, I get a little scared... especially if they're a gun wielding hunter. I start to think maybe that person needs more learnin' to do or to get more edumucated... and maybe that person should develop fundamentals and philosophies that will make them a better hunter. I get all sorts of crazy ideas if I heard that. LOL! Anyway, to me, the idea or principle of the "One shot, one kill" is all about taking the one shot you have in front on you and doing the best you can with it. That goes for your form, mental conditioning and using the right weapon for the job. It's a mentality... a state of mind.

iSnipe

Sometime around 1968 we were deer dog hunting in south Alabama one morning. The dogs had been running around in a bottom for an hour or so and didn't seem to be coming out. We stopped for lunch beside a dirt road. One of the guys was drinking a RC Cola and a young doe, maybe 50 pounds jumped off the low bank close to right at him. He threw the near empty bottle at the doe, hit her up side the head, and killed her dead as a hammer. I guess RC Cola bottles will do the job also.......True story.

RC Cola bottles are made out of plastic now. They no longer have the weight or sectional density for a clean kill on deer-size game.

Fill it full of mento's and you might have something. LOL

Okay thanks for clearing that up, and sorry if I got a little snippy. Sometimes I get a little intense on an issue, but I do respect your opinion and the opinions of others. I guess I just like a little extra wood on the fire now and then becuase it makes forums a little more interesting. Thanks again!

Well, which would you pick? Its a real pickle isn't it? If you say the bow, I am either going to call you a liar or a poor rifle shot. If you say the 223, your saying the bow isn't ethical enough to use on deer.

I'd guess some would say it's a hunters preference, others would argue otherwise. IMO the 223 is a varmint round and has no business being used for deer hunting. Sure it can get the job done, and can reach out and touch someone...but it's not the right tool for the job. Maybe it's a geography thing, but from what I've seen it's been the 30-30 or the 30-06. The knockdown power from these rifles puts them down now.

Heck, you're just lucky you can use a rifle. Many of us are out there strapped with the 12 gauge!

certainly if i were in ohio, i would be usin either of those as well...but the dog dear here drop in their tracks with a 223, and the 30-06 puts too big of a hole...in my, and my buddy with the 30-06's opinion..this year i will take a few pics, as he hasnt got a smaller cal yet, he bought a bow instead.