REAL deer magnet
 

Never buy overpriced deer attractants again
Im talkin about "deer molasses","cmere deer", deer cocaine", ect.
Make it yourself from all the exact same ingredients.
Go to any farm store head to the feed section
pick up STOCK SALT, TRACE MINERAL,DI-CALCIUM PHOSPHATE
All come in fourty to fifty pound bags and run $5-$10
Use a coffee can as measuring cup
Mix two cans stock salt and trace mineral
And three cans calcium phosphate
With that mixture you can make as much as you need
Now set up is a little work. Dig the ground up about four to six inches deep and about four foot around. Spread the mineral
around in the dug up ground mixing it with the dirt. Then every month or so you can freshen up you area with a couple coffee cans. This stuff also works wonders when sprinkle over the hopper of a corn feeder.
Deer love this mix and it is very good for them also.
I promise they will eat it like hogs good luck

How has this been working for you in your area? How did you come across or figure the recipe amounts?

Sounds like it would work to me.

iSnipe

Makes perfect sense, will definately have to try it..

Unfortunately, a lot of the food plot magical seed stuff is available at your local farm and garden center, and cheaper.

Good tip, Gyro!

Well on all of my properties i have several spots established with this stuff and it looks like a bomb landed. They rip the ground up.
And i noticed something else that is unique. I guess this stuff after a couple of rains gets absorbed into the surround plants trees andsaplings. They eat everything in the area, and chew the bark off the trees. And also i sprinkle this stuff in my feeders. I had to raise my feeds the deer were standing on their hind legs and chewing on my feeders. I have used this stuff for about 10 years and it is the ONLY kind of attractant (other than feed or food plots) that i use. This is real deer cocaine.

I have tried every type of rock,block, recipe, lick etc. and nothing works any better than the 50 lb. generic blocks that you can buy at your local TSC or feed store for $5.00 each. And since mineral supplements dont benefit deer in any way other than providing them with a source of salt there is no need to waste time and money running all over town shopping for ingredients then mixing them etc. when you can just go to your local feed store and buy 50 lb. blocks for less money. Pike

Im not getting the coffee can deal??? Can you please specify how many cups would equal your coffe can??? Thanks alot for the recipe. I cant wait to try it!!!

I buy the 50# mineral blocks at Tractor Supply, they are cheap and easy to use. As for attactants it is hard to beat corn at least thats what the trail cams show.

X2...thats what i say

The minerals in the lick will benifit the deer just as it would to horses or cattle. Maybe your deer dont for some reason. As far as wasting time or money. All three ingredients are right next to each other on the shelf. For a few more bucks than one mineral block you can make ten times the amount. thank you for your input.
As for anyone else who has any questions keep em comin

sorry if i wasnt clear
i personally use the cans for mixing i just use it as a scoop

Tell us how and what the benefit is please. And why is your mixture better then the blocks.

Here is how much deer like the generic $5.00 blocks. Pike

Wow JPike that buck in the first two photos is a dandy.
Did you manage to see him or harvest him this season?
The mineral block you use has all the same minerals and salts i
use. I am just using it in powder form and making it by the bulk.
Your picture is definenlty proof that it work. If you have any more pics of that nice buck i would like to see them

The mixture i use is not any better than the block nor is it worse for the simple fact that they are made of the same thing except my mixture is in powder form and i make it by the bulk. Any consumption of minerals, vitamins, calcium, or salt benifit the deer.

gyro that is a sore subject. LOL! I had him feeding for over 30 minutes right towards my stand on Nov. 19th, when he got to 33 yards I turned slightly just to stay square with him and when I shifted my feet my stand sqeaked and he was out of there.
By the way, you can also buy 50lb. bags at TSC and your local feed store in stead of the block.
I have gotton hundreds of pics of the buck since early June but none after the first day of gun season, Im worried that my buddy who hit a buck the first day of gun season shot him and we didnt recover him. Pike

whew that truly breaks my heart and trust me i know that feeling. Keep your fingers crossed he coulda made it. Boy he would look good on the wall. At least you know theres some good genes runnin around.Thanx for the tip

gyro mineral supplements do not benefit deer other than providing them with a source of salt. Pike

Im well aware of that. I just wanted to see what your reasoning was behind it. And why you wanted to go though the extra work. Like pike said, its been discussed many times here, and for those of us who use the blocks know how well they can work.

You can take a block in, maybe dig a small hole or find a low spot, and you're done. No repeated visits. Unless its to check a cam.

Some of us also believe that the blocks last longer because its solid, sort of a time release thing. The block wont wash into the ground as fast as the powder does.

Then again, what do i know.....:confused0024:

J Pike,

Can you expound on that more?

I thought supplements are called just that, "supplements", because it adds to their nutrition and diet. Your comment makes it all sound like it's hogwash and "salt" is the only benefit to supplements.

Thanks,

iSnipe

gyro the powder form works just as good but like Lead said it doesnt last as long. Pike

"If it aint broke dont fix it" It just works very well for me a many others. I am not here to debate. I am just sharing outdoor tips with fellow hunters that is my reason.

iSnipe it is hogwash, the whitetail deer's digestive system cannot process the mineral supplements and deposit them in their skeletal frame. There has been numerous studies done on this very topic starting way back in the 1950's and not one of them has shown any benefit from mineral blocks, licks, rocks and yes even super duper home made recipe's other than providing the deer with a source of salt. The only reason I use them is to get the deer to step in front of my cams. Pike

Yes jpike is right i only use this mix to bring the deer around.
Im sorry if you were mislead but this will not grow mega bucks
it is just simply deer treat

iSnipe here is an article by QDMA.'s leading biologist Brian Murphy, If anyone would write an article that supported using mineral supplements it would be him since his employer (QDMA) generates alot of advertising $$$$
from companies that produce mineral supplements on their TV show and their Magazine.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A classic study on the mineral needs of deer was conducted at Penn State University in the 1950s. In this study, researchers did detect a difference in yearling buck antler development between supplemented and unsupplemented groups. However, these herds were fed a nutritionally deficient diet below what most whitetails would have access to in the wild. Furthermore, when the same deer were examined the following year as 2.5 year olds, no differences were detected between the two groups.

In a similar study conducted at Auburn University, researchers tried to detect differences in body and antler size between an unsupplemented and supplemented group. This study differed from the Penn State study in that both herds were fed a nutritionally complete diet. In addition, one group was provided a commercial mineral supplement. Over a four year period the researchers were unable to detect any differences between the two deer herds.

Without question deer need minerals, and they will readily use mineral licks. But why do they use these licks and why is their use restricted primarily to the spring and summer? Many hunters believe that it is simply because bucks need the minerals for antler growth and does for raising fawns during these months. However, several studies have shown that while deer readily use mineral licks high in salt, they rarely, if ever, use pure mineral supplements. If deer were lacking minerals, why wouldn't they use the pure mineral supplement even if salt wasn't present? No one can say for sure, but it's probably because most minerals by themselves are bitter.
Could the use of salt/mineral mixes simply be due to an increased need for salt? According to research, yes. During the spring and summer, deer operate at a sodium deficiency due to the high potassium and water content of the forage. This interferes with efficient sodium conversion in the body and increases the need for sodium. This makes deer actively seek out concentrated sources of sodium such as natural or man?made licks. Almost all soils more than 25/50 miles from a seacoast are low in sodium. Therefore, in these areas, salt may be just as necessary as calcium and phosphorus to whitetails during the spring and summer."""""""""""""""""""""'""""""""""""""""""""



Here is what CJ. Winand said in an article on this subject, who by the way is not only a well respected biologist but an editor of Bowhunter mag.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""Over the last several decades, biologists at Universities across the country have researched the effects mineral supplementation has on a bucks' rack. In most cases, they put deer in two pens. In one pen, the deer were feed their regular diet. In the other, the deer ate a mineral in addition to their regular diet. After a few years in most studies, researchers did not see a noticeable difference. Many biologists bring up the research every time a hunter brings up minerals. C.J. Winand, a biologist from Maryland, believes that minerals are hocus pocus. "All of the data available today says that mineral supplementation doesn't have a lasting impact on antler size. Research is being done regularly and until I see a study that shows that minerals help deer grow larger racks, I will continue to believe what I believe," Winand explained."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" "

Thanks for all the input everyone. Im not bill nye the science guy or nothing
but i know for a fact that deer love this stuff so if you enjoy being in the woods and seeing deer give it a try. GOOD LUCK

Sounds like you'd be much more of the authority on it than me.
I don't know much about the tail end of feeding and it's affects
on the deer, their diet and health.

Thanks for the reply.

iSnipe

J Pike,

Thanks for the additional reply/info too. Interesting stuff.

iSnipe

off to tsc...let ya know how it works.

Good enough for me! Im not here to debate either. If you've found something that works good for your deer herd, then great! I just thought maybe there was something else i could learn.

Alot of what i know about this stuff i've learned from Pike. His pics and the articles that he posts are hard to deny.

tsc has no idea what dicalcium phosphate is...does it have another name? as much calcium thats in this product, it should be beneficial to growin healthy bones...so there for it is good for the deer...im still stuck on findin this stuff though...anybody?

The antlers absorb minerals through the velvet....

Jack both male and female deer store minerals etc. in their skeletal frame thru out the year and their body uses them as needed to grow antlers and produce fawns etc. by the way it takes as much for a buck to produce a trophy set of antlers as it does for a doe to produce 2 fawns.
I think that you are mistaken about bucks absorbing minerals thru their velvet, but soft tissue is converted directly to bone by the deposition of minerals
(mineralization) within the matrix of cartilage and blood vessels in the developing antlers.
But if you have a link to an article, study etc. I would be very interested in reading it. Thanks, Pike

Try here: http://www.tractorsupply.com/livesto...ivestock-salt/

Around here its sold as Ultra-Phos. 18½ Monocal

I live in an area with lots of Poultry and Dairy farms, so its readily available and probably more reasonably priced than in areas without that type of Ag.

If you cain't find it locally or its too expensive, then lime would be just as good IMO and much cheaper.

thx, but i already looked and put in a phone call..

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I have been reading this thread as I want to learn for myself if licks are beneficial or just an attractant. I knew that deer store minerals in their skeletal system until it is required for anter growth, but how do they get those minerals in the first place...only through natural found minerals and not through supplementation at all? Do they not absorb the minerals that are in the cattle feed such as Di-cal and only absorb some other specific kind?

This seems like the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa4XM2rpgDg&feature=fvw


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