Dead buck found, who's should it be?
 

I have some pics on my game camera at night of people walking and it looks like they are tracking a deer. I assume this is the buck they shot and couldnt find. It's a shame, because he would have been really nice next year.

What happend though... Invited a friend of mine deer hunting on the property I lease and paid for MYSELF during the last anterless season and he found a dead buck. Backing up a bit... The last morning of our hunt, he gets down out of his tree, walks in the area on the property I have designated a sancuary, kicks up a doe and shoots at it running, supposidly missing it... While he is in there, he finds this buck dead and claims it. I tell him I thought it was mine and he said I should have been walking around out there and found it. I told him, he should have paid for the property and he could have kept anything he found. Am I being too harsh? He didnt even ask me if he could keep it, he just assumed it was his.

I was going to let him go in half on my lease for next year, but with his attitude, there is no way... I dont like the fact that he walked into the area I am trying to stay out of. I dont like the fact that he shot at a running doe. I've known him for 20 years, but all of this has strained our relationship.

I say a dead buck that neither of you shot is not worth losing a friend over. However, I would be very upset with him for walking through the area you told him was off limits. For this reason I would not share the lease with him. If he does not respect or listen to you when you are the sole leaser and in charge, he will definitely not respect or listen to you when he pays half.

I wouldn't argue about the dead buck, but I don't think he would recieve an invite to come back based on his actions so far.

The walking into the sanctuary area would be my only concern. Were the sanctuary lines well delineated/understood? Neither of you shot the buck and the antlers aren't worth a squable.

I agree it's not worth a losing a friend, If you went over your rules and asked him not to go in certain area's then that's on him. I'm guessing if he told you that he shot at a doe and found this buck in an area you asked him not to go in, either he is disrespectful or had no idea. I personally would let him take the buck and learn from it. "Don't let him hunt anymore on your lease" That's his bad. Obviously he doesn't know a good friend when he see's one. I agree a "Sancuary" shouldn't be touched but if you have a good pair of rubber boots that are scent free you could find some pretty amazing dead things. This time of year sancuary's are the first place's I tromp through looking for sheds or whatever. Good Luck

Give him the antlers and send him on his way. He's already proved to you that he's not going to abide by any rules. You can still be friends, just not hunting friends.

Congratulations, you're plus one set of antlers, and minus one friend of 20 years, all over a deer that neither of you shot and a situation that was probably a simple misunderstanding. God knows those antlers are way more important than friends.

As for offering him half your lease, I don't think that's something you have to worry about, because he'd be crazy/stupid to go into such a venture with someone as petty as you appear to be. Enjoy hunting your land... alone.

Mike

I have known guys a long time that were not neccessarily good friends. Good friends think alike and never seem to have arguments they remember. Shooting in a designated no shoot area is a major no. He didnt respect it as a guest, it is unlikely you will have rules agreed upon as a partner. That he found the dead buck certainly should make it his, regardless, if you wouldnt have found it otherwise. If you take a partner, make sure you write out the rules (including no hunt zones, which you could flag lightly with ribbon or such, and give a walk around of), keeping yourself as the primary payor and manager of, so you can enforce the rules- fairly.

Sounds like you should choose your "hunting buddies" more carefully.:s4:

i have shot many deer on the run...all were dead in less than 20-60 yards.. as far as him findin the deer...he found it..you woulda never found it. as for as walkin in a sanctuary, i think he did right, if you take a shot at a deer, you should make every last ditch effort to find the deer, no matter where it mighta went..was your buddy allowed to shoot bucks? it just seems to me he shot that buck, and is just sayin he shot at a doe? who knows. 20 year relationship over a stupid deer aint worth it to me, there are buddies, and then there are huntin buddies!!

I dont see how he just automatically claims it as his, its your land that you paid for you should have the say on everything. I would not tolerate going in the sanctuary. Well best of luck in settling this. God Bless

If your relationship is strained because of what happened, well, you just answered your own question. let him have the rack. Tell him because he had little or no respect for you wishes, he will no longer be allowed to hunt with you in the future.

Hunting parthers and comrauderie are part pf what makes hunting great. He broke a cardinal sin and it's time to move on without him.

Between this post and the A's deer vs. B's deer post, I've never seen such jackashes worried about killing a friggin whitetail deer. You girls are pathetic. The Saturday morning hunting shows and all the rattlin stix, feed crap, and gosh knows what other gizmos you've been suckered into buying have created nothing more than a bunch of hunter wannabes. I swear, every other post is a bunch of crybabies. Are there any real hunters left?

Hunting is about character, something that most of you have no clue about. The both of you are a bunch a sissies. I hope whoever holds the lease doesn't know about your shenanigans.

Grow Up!

i would be mad at him to and who really cares about the antlers.....not like either of you shot it. It not worth losing a friend over.

Cut the skull in half (vertically), that way each person an antler and skull. Do european mounts and mount them sideways on a board...it actually looks cool! It will be a euro mount as a side view

Killing 30+ deer doesn't make you a hunter nor does leasing hunting rights. He jump shoots one in the butt, you fuss over a rotten buck. Maybe PlayStation is your best bet...

I don't even care to read the others' reply, as I know what to expect by now, so I'll just give you my .02 cents worth...

It's YOUR lease! Any deer found on that property is YOURS!

Had it been on public ground, it would be your friend's buck.

Now if you keep the buck, of which in my opinion is yours anyway, and your friend decides he wants nothing more of you, then what kind of friend was he anyway? If he was a true friend, then he could see that it was YOU that spent your hard earned money on the land to lease and NOT him!

If I was that guy, I'd tell you all about it and "ask" if I could have it. I would not assume I could keep it. If you said "No" and explain why, I then may offer to buy it from you.

In no way would I think it's mine in that circumstance.

Good luck coming up with a solution.

iSnipe

I think some of you might want to reevaluate what a friend is . just because you know a person 20 years dos'nt mean thats a friend.If I'm footing the bills and I say please respect my wishes and you thumb your nose at me.you aunt coming back and since I go by SHEDMAN it is about the antlers and they are staying with me.

Well I hate to be the one who has to spank all you ignorant little narrow minded guidence counselors but some things have to be done.

Hello? We are talking about friendship, right? Listen! Hear the bells? That means WAKE UP!

If this is some "friend" who you basically only deer hunt with then let him have your the stupid antlers and hunt alone or find someone else to call your deer hunting "friend". You might want to make a detailed friendship contract for your next hunting "friend". Spell it all out to the smallest detail and condition - sounds like alot of fun.

You certainly posted as if this is all about the deer hunting and the deer hunting/lease is the most vital and important thing going in your life. I would certainly hope friendship goes well beyond some deer hunting. (If not that is truly pathetic)

Real friends are there for you for all sorts of other things...............

They're at your kids birthday parties. They're at your wedding. They are in your wedding. They come to your anniversery party. Exchange Christmas cards. Give you a hand taking that big tree down. You guys take all your kids camping and fishing and fourwheeling together. Sit around bonfires. BBQ for no other reason than it's a heck of a nice day. You drop by to see each others kids play in the game. Maybe offer each other advice. Maybe loan each other a couple bucks. Comes by unannounced in the snowstorm and drops his plow on your driveway so you wake up and look out and grin. He says your favorite team sucks and his rules. Drinks Bud but doesn't say much when you pull a Miller outta your fridge and put it on the table in front of him. And you'll drink his Bud - if there isn't anything else. He helped you with swapping out that transmission in your car and helped you swap in another 2 weeks later when that bargain $200 trans you bought wasn't such a bargain. Came by to see your newborn. Dropped you a batch of his latest chili that had ya cra99ing fireballs for 3 days straight and left your taste buds burnt out for a week. He'll loan ya any tool or piece of equipment he's got and probobly offer to help do the job it's for. He'll call ya a liar when you say you caught the bigger fish but slap ya on the back while he buys the next round. He might name his kid after you unless your name is Matt. He'll let ya cry on his shoulder when you tell him your kid has a terrible illness. And he'll need to wrap his arms around you when he buries his Dad.

That is what real friends are.

Making decisions based on such little and limited information! Why I oughta........ You boys drop them drawers and line up behind the woodshed. I'm findin' me a good stiff switch. If any of ya wanna show some spine and admit the err of your ways then step to the front of the line.

Dude, unless you shot the buck and couldn't find it, give it to your buddy that found it ! If the dude is a good friend it shouldn't make a difference. I found a nice shed this past year and one of my best friends that I hunt with liked it so I gave it to him. If the guy is a 20 yr friend, let him keep the head.
Good luck

[QUOTE=iSnipe;3562429]I don't even care to read the others' reply, as I know what to expect by now, so I'll just give you my .02 cents worth...

It's YOUR lease! Any deer found on that property is YOURS!

Had it been on public ground, it would be your friend's buck.

Now if you keep the buck, of which in my opinion is yours anyway, and your friend decides he wants nothing more of you, then what kind of friend was he anyway? If he was a true friend, then he could see that it was YOU that spent your hard earned money on the land to lease and NOT him!

If I was that guy, I'd tell you all about it and "ask" if I could have it. I would not assume I could keep it. If you said "No" and explain why, I then may offer to buy it from you.

In no way would I think it's mine in that circumstance.

Good luck coming up with a solution.

iSnipe[/QUOTE

I disagee, Just because the guy has paid for the lease does not give him rights to own everything on the land... Hell I own my land and if I had someone on their rabbit hunting or something and they found a dead buck like that and wanted to keep it I would say go for it--they found it and I didn't not me.. For heaven sake it was buck that the lease holder didn't even shoot... Like others have said in this post the you "so called" didn't read the lease holder wouldn't have found it anyways... It sounds like to me that the lease holder is slight baby and is the type of guy that is "my way or the highway"!! Those types don't make for good frends and for sure not good for hunting buddies..

Amen


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Does the lease say that anything found is his? Maybe the property owner hunted also. Maybe is was somebody else. Point is you should have told the landowner that neither of you had shot it. If the landowner had found it, maybe he would think twice about letting you hunt there again.

Listen to your Uncle Matt and get some new friends. Maybe one that doesnt shoot deer in the butt either.

My sentiments exactly. I read the threads and posts on this web site mainly for laughs. Every now and again someone posts something interesting or even barely educational. Most of it is comical.

A whole lot of the posters often sound petty and/or ignorant. Who gets the deer? Someone hunting along the property line! Is this deer big enough to shoot? What does he score? What is this picture of? Where should I hunt? How high do you climb? .308 vs. .30-06? When to shed hunt? All she wants are votes. Etc........ What gives???? It all makes me laugh. Thanks.

Yep, you're right (OP). You shouldn't have posted anything as petty as this question. BTW - that crappy looking deer head is not yours. You didn't find it.

exactly... not unless it was a buck you hit and did not recover and you are positive it is the deer.
It is your lease, so you should probably get it... he shouldn't have been walking where you told him not to anyway.

This fellow just doesn't seem like he has any hunting ethics or consideration. He might be OK in other arenas but he does not appear to be a good hunting partner.

Wildbill51

you forgot:
Whats the best deer rifle?
What do you do with your meat?
Whats the best scope?
Is is ok to bait?
What would you do?
How far do you shoot?
Does scentlok work?
Do you pee in the woods?
I want an AR, what kind?
Does a 300 WM kick?
Can I paint my gun?

Whew................

After all that, you shouldn't be surprised by his actions. I'll bet he makes more money than you. For whatever reason, you have some loyalty to this guy, why I don't know. Don't call is ash for awhile and see what happens..

Hey I got an idea, why not give the antlers to the guy who shot the buck? In my large lease we tend to find buck antlers/skulls all the time. If I find one and know who is hunting the area I will call them and return it. My question is why do you want to even keep a set of antlers off a deer you didn't kill or you didn't find?

Some of you guys don't kill enough bucks if you are arguing over a set of antlers IMO.... Come to Florida and shoot 2 bucks/day from Sept-January.

My thoughts exactly

It also sounds like your friend of 20 years has no issue with lying to you. That should be your first clue. He has no ethics and has no respect for you.

Why in the world would either of you want a deer someone else shot. Are they that rare ?

Why would you lease land and then set boundaries within that lease ? What purpose does this serve ? Do you put up little signs so the deer know where the sanctuary is ?

Oh the irony. You are trolling around the internet, obviously just looking for an altercation, and yet you recommend playstation to someone else? Irony indeed.

Anyone who hunted public land for 23 years seems pretty dedicated to me.



Like everyone else has already said, going in the sanctuary is the bigger deal. Although if I was lucky enough to have friend who let me hunt for free on private land and kill 4 deer, and this friend requested that something found on his land be left with him, I would certainly not argue. That too seems disrespectful, even though the antlers shouldn't be worth much to either of you.

A few questions vabyrd and rogerstv should be asking.....Why don't people like me? Do you think I'm being a p*i*k? How come I know more than you? I have nothing positive to add to this thread so is it ok if I belittle you so I can feel better about myself?

I'd let him keep the deer and just part ways when it comes to hunting. He should have stayed out of the area you asked him to. If I can't have fun and trust the guy I'm hunting with, then whats the point.

vabyrd.....what a smart a$$! :hit:

I respect your right to "disagee".(disagree!) Especially since you did it so civil.

However, I didn't say he has the right to "everything". Just what the lease was about and that was DEER! The OP leased land for DEER hunting! It doesn't mean if he fired his double-barrel and struck oil that it is his. LOL! This isn't the Clampetts of the Beverly Hillbillies!

Thank you!

iSnipe

Nailed it. :happy0001:

It sounds like he walked in there before shooting at the deer.Don't fight over it,just don't ask him back.All the guys I know if you find a shed on their place they get it if they find one one yours you get it that way we cover more ground and all shed hunt together at times

Wow, three in a row. Ya'll live in the same trailer park?
It's not your fault. If you read the op you'll see the he already has all the answers. When he added the little details along the way the answers are very clear. Well, at least to those of us with some sense.

It's always someone elses fault, isn't it??

Setting up a sanctuary is not only common, it is a smart deer management practice. Deer tend to go where they feel safe. You would rather that "safe zone" be on your property. A Sanctuary is as important as your treestand. The deer may not know the exact boundries of the sanctuary, but they will find the area where they aren't being pressured quickly enough.

As for the problem at hand, I would let you friend have the antler. They are not worth fighting over. It isn't like he found a 200 inch plus deer. Let him have them and you might be able to keep the friendship.

I also wouldn't invite him to join the lease or invite him to hunt again. He obviously doesn't respect any of your rules and it will be 10 times worse if he is a member.

What a soap opera, wouldn't want a deer I didn't shoot to begin with. Your friend doesn't sound like much of a friend.

Wow three in a row??? Seems like you could get the message but you are obviously not that smart. It seems like you are the ONLY ONE who thinks you have "some sense".

If I were you I would get hunting.net to pay you to keep posting! Your dumbass is definately entertainment value only!! LMFAO!!