I'll probably start a war..............
 

Im gonna buy a Rem 700 after christmas,which caliber should i get,30-06 or 7mm rem mag,for whitetails.Longest shot ill be takin can be up to 350-400 yards.Ill use it as my ''treestand gun'' also.thanks yall.

how about a .270win or .270wsm instead? both will drop a deer at 400yds.

.270 or the 7mm

When I get a 700 in 30-06, it will be a ridiculous great deal for me, as far as little money spent, as the -06 is a caliber I have no need for just to kill a deer.

Too bad you never considered different calibers for whitetails or I'd add several recommendations.

For a simple example: a Remington Scirocco Bonded 90gr. .243 will hold almost a 1,000ft. lbs. of energy at 400 yards! That's more than enough to put the smack down on a whitetail and that's the smaller end of the calibers I would have mentioned.

iSnipe

Either will work. Being a fan of the 7mm bullets my vote is the Rem Mag.

Hey skeeter! I never asked you, but what bullet do you prefer in that cannon you shoot on whitetails? What is the nature of the bullet after impact?

And where do you prefer to shoot them at given the right shot angle?

iSnipe

150gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. My favorite shot is 1/4 away, thru the lungs out the opposite shoulder. Though a broadsider just behind the pins work JFL as well, and would be my shot of choice when in tight like 150 & under. Wound channels can be impressive if you strike bone at high MV. Can do some damage but IME puts them down effeciently. Most the time my bullets have blown thru, the ones I have recovered were longer shots 400+ & produced mushrooms with 60% weight retention. Shot my antelope buck last month at 458 yard, behind the shoulder lung shot, blew thru and only ribs meat was effected. Goat went straight up and then fell pretty much straight down.

FWIW I don't think it's a canon. Where I hunt deer tend to be a little larger and shots can longer as well. I prefer the 7mm for these reason plus it doubles as a larger then deer(moose & elk) rifle in case my .338wm gets injured and can't go:).

I like the 06 and have a couple of them. Factory loads can be changed to make it more suitable for different animals. Ammo availability is everywhere and it is a good all around gun similar to the .270. I have used mine for everything from moose, caribou, elk, deer, yotes to varmits. There are better calibers for different game but I like my trusty 06 and have had great luck with it. I wouldn't say it is a long range caliber though and wouldn't even try a 350 to 400 yd shot.

either will be fine, but i also am a big fan of the 7's i have two guns in 7mm-08, one pistol, and one rifle, i have two in 7mm mag, and i have one in 7mmSTW, i would not suggest the STW, in fact i am thinking of selling mine, the only reason is it is equiped with a brake and is just too dang loud, not sure of how bad recoil would be W/O th brake but the 7 RM does everything i need plus more to begin with, but for what ever sick and twisted reason i like trying new and different cals:s5:, i guess that why i enjoy re-loading so much, that and you can't buy ammo at just any store for an STW:s6:

i would stay with a 270 thru a 30 cal in the event you venture out west for elk or the likes, for me the 7's fit the bill great with great bullet choices from 120gr. to mid 160gr's and low BC's..the 06 has the same advantage and IMO you are a little more limited with the 270 bullet choices, but it is a fine round...

I'd pick the 30-06 or a .270 although you didn't mention the .270.

7mm hands down.

30-06 ... they never walk after a shot and ammo availability is a big plus right now

When it comes to hunting rifles, there is the 30-06 and then everything else. Remington alone has 21 offerings from 55gr to 220gr. Only 11 offerings for the 7mag from 140gr-175gr and the ammo is more expensive. Usually the 30-06 is a lighter rifle.

This would be my choice as well

7mm all the way for me. Check some ballistics charts, the 7 vastly outperforms the 06 at the ranges you are looking to shoot from.

I'll git the 7mm Rem Mag.thanks

For an Alabama deer?!! Adult 2 1/2yr. buck is about 145lbs and your 3 1/2+ yr. olds are 165lb.-175lb. live weight.

Good luck with that. LOL!

Kidding aside, I think you're making a mistake. I urge you to ask around IN YOUR AREA and see what others are using. If I were there, I fill the pickup over and over with calibers like a .243, 6mm, .257Roberts, .260 & .270. I see no need to use calibers any larger.

Oh, and every deer within 250 yards would be history if you gave me my Marlin 336 30-30 with Hornady LeveRevolution shells!

7mm mag, uh? LOL! Sorry to interject such a lack of enthusiasm for that caliber, but if you shot as many deer as I have in the last 30+ years, you'd realize other calibers will work just fine. Matter of fact, I'm not a fan of the 30-06, but give me bullets of 125gr and I'd be a deer killin' machine without the black and blue marks on my shoulder. LOL! Remember, the larger the weight of the bullet, the more felt recoil on your shoulder.

The ultimate deer caliber? Why it's the .260!

Oh, one last thing... when you get your 7mm Rem Mag, be sure to get this as a necessary accessory:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...d_i=B0019D4BLG

Take care,

iSnipe :biggrin:

Get the one you want, both will kill a deer easily. I wouldn'y buy anything but a Browning, but that's a different thread:wink:

All entitled to opinions. I agree the whitetail cartridge list is pretty long and certainly plenty of good ones that are under the 06' or rem mag that will work as well. Your experience is what guides you and I respect that. However I have to wonder with comments like canon, black n blue and shoulder icer's how much hands on experience you have with a round such as a 7mm rem mag? Its recoil isn't really that bad, more then a 270win but not crazy - equal to an 06'. Also my experience has been it is no more damaging then a 270win interms of wound channels, comparing apples to apples on hit sight & similar bullet construction. Because it says magnum some jump to the conclusion its a canon, heavy recoiling and way to much gun for the shooter or the game. Choices but if came between the beloved 270 and 7mm rem mag for shooting deer only, without a doubt I'd take the rem mag. Owned a 270 for 30 years BTW. I base my opinions on experience I've used a .24 cal through 50 cal to harvest deer.

Cheers

LOL! All my knowledge is based on experience and from the cannon and black and blue marks... I don't waiver a bit when I say that... not at all. In fact, I emphasize cannon when it refers to killing a 165lb. live weight Alabama buck! There's no need for such a large caliber. !!!

In fact, you haven't read one of my earlier posts where a buddy, navy seal, got done sighting in his 30-06, and in only 12 shots, sustained some nice BLACK & BLUE marks... and that's where my EXPERIENCE with that comes from! Also no one need to quote ballistics and felt recoil to me, I know them, just as much as others.

Someone want to bench with me, their 7mm Rem Mag -vs- my .260/.308 at 900 yards, let's ROCK!

30+ years around rifles, a guy does get experience!

"Why don't you quote the average live weight of a N. CA. buck at least 3 1/2 yrs. or older? Bet it's not 165lbs!"

Also I QUESTION YOUR experience when you say the 7mm mag or .270 has same recoil as the -06, because that isn't true! LOL! Maybe if you manipulate bullet weights to fit that bill, but equal bullet weights will NOT get you equal felt recoil.

I haven't even delved down into the many characters I see wielding a magnum caliber on the range and couldn't do a 2" group to save their life! Hmm? I wonder why?

Just because you like the 7mm, doesn't mean everyone else is going to.

iSnipe

One gun guy = .30-06

One dedicated deer gun = .270

Varmint & deer gun = .243

Deer & bigger gun = 7MM

if you took a survey around here in alabama, i would be willing to bet you any amount of money that the vast majority of hunters here hunt with 270 and up, a lot of 7mm mags, lots of 300 mags and WSM in same cals, a bunch still shoot 06's...myself i love the SA offerings based off of the 308, two of my favorites are the 7mm-08 and the .260, bought the wife one (260) and i liked it so much i bought myself one... but i have shot plenty of guns bigger than the 06 all day long will no ill effects or bruising, not sure what happend with your navy seal buddy but it sounds like she might need to tighten up..this is not a macho BS attitude cause like you mentioned and i agree you do not have to have the larger calibers to kill the deer here, but there is always the chance i could hunt outside my area, as i have many times, and for game much larger than a whitetail...for me the 7mm mag fits the bill.. very manageable and capable, if i'm hunting a big field where i could take a 4-500 yard shot i'm taking the 7 mag or the STW

and just because you don't like it, dosen't mean everyone else will share your feelings...its always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it:s4:

7 magnum i use it i am15 and i dont think it has kick that is a big debate with a 7 magnum the fact its over kill and kicks which both of those statements are wrong you cant kill a animal to much

You're missing the point so much, you shouldn't even reply unless you know the issue.

Why would you bet me? That would be foolish because by your post, you back up the very thing I'm talking about! A .270 has a forgiving recoil that many, and I mean MANY more people can shoot it more accurately than your larger calibers.

LOL! Thank you!

Oh, and as far as anyone sharing my feelings, as you put it, I could not care any less either way. I captain my own ship and don't sail by the winds from the lips of others, as their opinions can be taken as big or as little as I please and only when someone reveals info that I deem valuable, then it is more apt to be accepted.

G'day.

iSnipe

I live and hunt in mid west WI and have used the 7mm mag for 25 years and absolutly love it. Able to use it for short distances and out to 400 yards with no trouble. Awesome caliber for whitetail

if i asked every deer hunter i know in alabama,Most of them would say 30-30 or 270.My huntin buddy hunts with a Browning BAR 300 Win Mag,and yes it does damage!!!I just wanted to try a 7 mag for deer huntin.thanks

One bone of contention I have 13pointjomc, while typing some of this tongue in check, so to say, and with some guys I do have respect for, many people couldn't stick to the issue to save their life.

1.) You're in Alabama. The deer size there, as far as weight, are smaller. Average 3 1/2yr and older bucks being 165-175lb. live weight. That's not a big animal.

2.) You did say "Ill use it as my ''treestand gun''..." Around here, trees sway and I don't get much distance shooting from trees due to that, so I'd be recommending a caliber for shorter distances. I don't believe you can fully utilize the 7mm mag's long distance potential from a swaying tree.

Anyway, you'll have a gun that will put them down; no doubt there.

iSnipe

I thought about that to,after i buy the 7mm mag,i'll git a 30-30 for my treestand gun.I'll use my 243 or (when i git the 7 mag)7mm mag for huntin over food plots,shots can be up to 400 yards,the new place i git to hunt.thanks

My quote from my post. Please explain where I said the 270win is equal to either the 06 or rem mag???

Equal weight bullets or equal sectional denisty.??? Obviously a lighter bullet will produce less recoil but not always an apples to apples comparison!

Average weight of the deer?? I posted a picture of a 100 lb antelope i shot with my canon! I really think this point is mute, if a guy wants to use xyz then who really cares, as long as he can shoot it!

I agree inability to handle the firearm ='s nothing but your assumption based on your seal buddy with an 06' is not of any statistical value. Everyone is different and you can't assume that what isn't good for him or you isn't good for others?? Arguement is mute, can we agree?


Opinions not personal but if the 270 is considered an easy recoiler then I can't really see where a 06 or 7mm rem mag causes true problems. Now if you said a .243, 25-06,etc then I'd see your point but the 270 is really the upper end of mild recoilers. Can I add from a guy who has had 3 surgeries to repair his damaged shooting shoulder. wait....no not from shooting but rather sports (hockey and football).

Cheers once again mo frair!!

Yes, sir, read below from your prior post:

Busted? LOL! Maybe your meaning wasn't clear.

I can understand why you would say that mon frère, my Canadian hunting brother, BUT most people are not you. From what I see, the majority of magnum users at the range are not adept with their weapon, ie, lacking sufficient accuracy for the longer ranges the magnums are capable of. You have to keep the post in perspective too. Like I mentioned, the original poster did mention this will be his "treestand" gun... and I talked about that earlier. I was also under the wrong impression that he was a rookie and asking about magnum and larger calibers from the get-go are not the best of recommendations from my experience starting shooters off. I also realize if one is going to be doing a broadside shot in the boiler room, no matter the caliber size, no meat is going to be wasted, unless there's severe bullet fragmentation... then I've seen some crazy stuff.

Your last part of that quote "...as long as he can shoot it!"

Like I've said for the third time here, many people don't shoot magnums well. Might as well say the obvious... it's because of the louder sound and recoil. It's hard to bare down on a spot at the bench over and over without starting to get some sort of recoil complex... hence the term "flinch", etc. Many people don't have muzzle brakes on their magnums either. They should. Anything they can do to tame the recoil down so they don't develop some sort of shooting complex, is a huge plus. Also, because too many men have egos, not many are going to step up and say their magnum rifle is too much for them. Of course all the magnum rifle shooters here can shoot the wings off a fly at a hundred yards. LOL!

**** NO! (heck)

At many of my posts I've revealed being at the ranges experiencing not only my shooting, but LACK of shooting skill from others. I've seen TOO MANY times where guys with magnum calibers shouldn't be shooting deer with their gun! They can barely hit a small plate at a 100 yards! I myself just the other day was hitting shiny paper staples in the backstop at 100 yards with my .22 magnum. If you add the shooter's already lack of skill with their magnum along with the pucker factor they're experiencing because of the excitement adrenaline rush of the deer in front of them, this is a recipe for a miss or even worse, a wound. Don't forget to add the complex of the recoil that is in the back of their mind too. Also, I should qualify the marine seal's shooting credentials by saying if anyone here wants a money match with him, his answer is always the same... "I'll take that bet." When he was competing, he fired literally thousands of rounds practicing his craft, so he does know how to shoot a little. I will also add the last time we shot together, my groups were tighter than his. He and his -06 and me with my .260.(factory loads, slight wind, 100 yards sighting for deer) The nature of his experience has nothing to do with the bruising he had on his shoulder. The point is... he fired 12 rounds with his 30-06 and that evening had a horrendous black and blue spot because of shooting it! LOL! Not one single person here can tell me that recoil he will feel just prior to each shot is not in his mind! Especially after you start getting into more shots! The recoil force of a 30-06 with a 220gr. bullet has almost the identical recoil of a 300 Win Mag with 150gr. bullets. Not many people can bare down on 1" black dots at the range due to these larger recoil forces and be accurate enough to accomplish MOA groups. And if you're going to utilize a magnum rifle's long distance potential, like at 500yds+, then in my opinion, SUB MOA groups @ 100 yards are mandatory! I don't know many guys that can shoot sub-moa @ 100 with their magnum. Matter of fact, I don't group well out that far unless I use roll-your-owns because factory loads don't cut it. I get vertical variance with factory at long range.

So YES, I am not a big fan of the larger magnums because most people don't shoot their potential due to the recoil complexes and flinches that goes along with shooting them. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't. They don't because they don't use a good enough recoil pad, muzzle brake and they don't practice enough at the range. Get Billy-Bob a magnum, some Walmart shells and he's good to go.

:party0005:

iSnipe

i would go for the 7mm , there is no such thing as to much gun.

Yep,

You started a war.

Just answer the OP's question.

I cannot because I don't have a 7mm. If I did and it was dialed in, I would shoot a deer with it. Why not?

Who really cares about the caliber? Put the bullet where it needs to go.

He11, I'd like to shoot one with a .22-250.

I love my .30-06. But I also have a .243 and .270. Get what you want and don't worry about other people say.

.257 roberts or 25.06 would be my choice for a medium-long range gun made for whitetails. .270 would be my next choice

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Must not been clear! I said: 7mm rem mag recoils more then 270win but not crazy either recoil wise close to an 3006

what about my personal favorite the 300 win mag? but in those too id havta go with the 7mag. hands down. bushnell DOA optics. man thats a sweet set up

Must have been your computer. :throw: . . :biggrin:

I have a buddy who was trying to do a trade with me not long ago. I'm thinking I should have gone with it. It's not a 7mm, but a 30-06. I sold my last one for cheap and now need one to be a safe queen. LOL!

See attached pic.

iSnipe

(P.S. In some of your posts, you had some valid points, but I didn't want to make it easy on you. LOL!)

I just so happen to be selling a remington 700 in .270... email me if you want to talk [email protected]

cowboy,

May want to add that to the classifieds too. Might get sold faster if you get more eyes on your post. Pics would help.

iSnipe

Look, just answer the OP's question.

LOL!

iSnipe