Sheridan

One gun guy = .30-06

One dedicated deer gun = .270

Varmint & deer gun = .243

Deer & bigger gun = 7MM

m.t.hands

if you took a survey around here in alabama, i would be willing to bet you any amount of money that the vast majority of hunters here hunt with 270 and up, a lot of 7mm mags, lots of 300 mags and WSM in same cals, a bunch still shoot 06's...myself i love the SA offerings based off of the 308, two of my favorites are the 7mm-08 and the .260, bought the wife one (260) and i liked it so much i bought myself one... but i have shot plenty of guns bigger than the 06 all day long will no ill effects or bruising, not sure what happend with your navy seal buddy but it sounds like she might need to tighten up..this is not a macho BS attitude cause like you mentioned and i agree you do not have to have the larger calibers to kill the deer here, but there is always the chance i could hunt outside my area, as i have many times, and for game much larger than a whitetail...for me the 7mm mag fits the bill.. very manageable and capable, if i'm hunting a big field where i could take a 4-500 yard shot i'm taking the 7 mag or the STW

and just because you don't like it, dosen't mean everyone else will share your feelings...its always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

Hunting Kuk

7 magnum i use it i am15 and i dont think it has kick that is a big debate with a 7 magnum the fact its over kill and kicks which both of those statements are wrong you cant kill a animal to much

iSnipe

You're missing the point so much, you shouldn't even reply unless you know the issue.

Why would you bet me? That would be foolish because by your post, you back up the very thing I'm talking about! A .270 has a forgiving recoil that many, and I mean MANY more people can shoot it more accurately than your larger calibers.

LOL! Thank you!

Oh, and as far as anyone sharing my feelings, as you put it, I could not care any less either way. I captain my own ship and don't sail by the winds from the lips of others, as their opinions can be taken as big or as little as I please and only when someone reveals info that I deem valuable, then it is more apt to be accepted.

G'day.

iSnipe

PY Antlers

I live and hunt in mid west WI and have used the 7mm mag for 25 years and absolutly love it. Able to use it for short distances and out to 400 yards with no trouble. Awesome caliber for whitetail

13pointjomc

if i asked every deer hunter i know in alabama,Most of them would say 30-30 or 270.My huntin buddy hunts with a Browning BAR 300 Win Mag,and yes it does damage!!!I just wanted to try a 7 mag for deer huntin.thanks

iSnipe

One bone of contention I have 13pointjomc, while typing some of this tongue in check, so to say, and with some guys I do have respect for, many people couldn't stick to the issue to save their life.

1.) You're in Alabama. The deer size there, as far as weight, are smaller. Average 3 1/2yr and older bucks being 165-175lb. live weight. That's not a big animal.

2.) You did say "Ill use it as my ''treestand gun''..." Around here, trees sway and I don't get much distance shooting from trees due to that, so I'd be recommending a caliber for shorter distances. I don't believe you can fully utilize the 7mm mag's long distance potential from a swaying tree.

Anyway, you'll have a gun that will put them down; no doubt there.

iSnipe

13pointjomc

I thought about that to,after i buy the 7mm mag,i'll git a 30-30 for my treestand gun.I'll use my 243 or (when i git the 7 mag)7mm mag for huntin over food plots,shots can be up to 400 yards,the new place i git to hunt.thanks

skeeter 7MM

My quote from my post. Please explain where I said the 270win is equal to either the 06 or rem mag???

Equal weight bullets or equal sectional denisty.??? Obviously a lighter bullet will produce less recoil but not always an apples to apples comparison!

Average weight of the deer?? I posted a picture of a 100 lb antelope i shot with my canon! I really think this point is mute, if a guy wants to use xyz then who really cares, as long as he can shoot it!

I agree inability to handle the firearm ='s nothing but your assumption based on your seal buddy with an 06' is not of any statistical value. Everyone is different and you can't assume that what isn't good for him or you isn't good for others?? Arguement is mute, can we agree?


Opinions not personal but if the 270 is considered an easy recoiler then I can't really see where a 06 or 7mm rem mag causes true problems. Now if you said a .243, 25-06,etc then I'd see your point but the 270 is really the upper end of mild recoilers. Can I add from a guy who has had 3 surgeries to repair his damaged shooting shoulder. wait....no not from shooting but rather sports (hockey and football).

Cheers once again mo frair!!

iSnipe

Yes, sir, read below from your prior post:

Busted? LOL! Maybe your meaning wasn't clear.

I can understand why you would say that mon frère, my Canadian hunting brother, BUT most people are not you. From what I see, the majority of magnum users at the range are not adept with their weapon, ie, lacking sufficient accuracy for the longer ranges the magnums are capable of. You have to keep the post in perspective too. Like I mentioned, the original poster did mention this will be his "treestand" gun... and I talked about that earlier. I was also under the wrong impression that he was a rookie and asking about magnum and larger calibers from the get-go are not the best of recommendations from my experience starting shooters off. I also realize if one is going to be doing a broadside shot in the boiler room, no matter the caliber size, no meat is going to be wasted, unless there's severe bullet fragmentation... then I've seen some crazy stuff.

Your last part of that quote "...as long as he can shoot it!"

Like I've said for the third time here, many people don't shoot magnums well. Might as well say the obvious... it's because of the louder sound and recoil. It's hard to bare down on a spot at the bench over and over without starting to get some sort of recoil complex... hence the term "flinch", etc. Many people don't have muzzle brakes on their magnums either. They should. Anything they can do to tame the recoil down so they don't develop some sort of shooting complex, is a huge plus. Also, because too many men have egos, not many are going to step up and say their magnum rifle is too much for them. Of course all the magnum rifle shooters here can shoot the wings off a fly at a hundred yards. LOL!

**** NO! (heck)

At many of my posts I've revealed being at the ranges experiencing not only my shooting, but LACK of shooting skill from others. I've seen TOO MANY times where guys with magnum calibers shouldn't be shooting deer with their gun! They can barely hit a small plate at a 100 yards! I myself just the other day was hitting shiny paper staples in the backstop at 100 yards with my .22 magnum. If you add the shooter's already lack of skill with their magnum along with the pucker factor they're experiencing because of the excitement adrenaline rush of the deer in front of them, this is a recipe for a miss or even worse, a wound. Don't forget to add the complex of the recoil that is in the back of their mind too. Also, I should qualify the marine seal's shooting credentials by saying if anyone here wants a money match with him, his answer is always the same... "I'll take that bet." When he was competing, he fired literally thousands of rounds practicing his craft, so he does know how to shoot a little. I will also add the last time we shot together, my groups were tighter than his. He and his -06 and me with my .260.(factory loads, slight wind, 100 yards sighting for deer) The nature of his experience has nothing to do with the bruising he had on his shoulder. The point is... he fired 12 rounds with his 30-06 and that evening had a horrendous black and blue spot because of shooting it! LOL! Not one single person here can tell me that recoil he will feel just prior to each shot is not in his mind! Especially after you start getting into more shots! The recoil force of a 30-06 with a 220gr. bullet has almost the identical recoil of a 300 Win Mag with 150gr. bullets. Not many people can bare down on 1" black dots at the range due to these larger recoil forces and be accurate enough to accomplish MOA groups. And if you're going to utilize a magnum rifle's long distance potential, like at 500yds+, then in my opinion, SUB MOA groups @ 100 yards are mandatory! I don't know many guys that can shoot sub-moa @ 100 with their magnum. Matter of fact, I don't group well out that far unless I use roll-your-owns because factory loads don't cut it. I get vertical variance with factory at long range.

So YES, I am not a big fan of the larger magnums because most people don't shoot their potential due to the recoil complexes and flinches that goes along with shooting them. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't. They don't because they don't use a good enough recoil pad, muzzle brake and they don't practice enough at the range. Get Billy-Bob a magnum, some Walmart shells and he's good to go.



iSnipe