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timbercruiser 01-15-2009 06:33 PM

Lost buck
 
My grandson shot a big 8 point this afternoon with his new .270, broadside about 50 yards. Blood sprayed all over the place. Weblood trailed him,some good pink lung blood,thru a field and down into a creek bottom, crossed the creeks and up a hill where the blood stopped at the edge of a briar patch. We will be back out there in the morning and try and find him. He is just sick about it.........me too.

wrestler2nd100 01-15-2009 06:36 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
Man that sucks. that is the worst feeling too. Sorry bout that

JagMagMan 01-15-2009 06:46 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
Good luck! How's the temp down there? If its cool enough you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thinglost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!

hometheaterman 01-15-2009 08:13 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

gh you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thing lost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!
I know how you feel. I've lost a few deer in my life. Just this year the day before hunting season ended I had a deer creep out to me and look around before coming into the field. He was about 35 yards from me and I shot him in the head and chest with my 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 000buckshot. I'm pretty sure I hit him good from the way he acted when I shot. He then turned and ran and I shot at the side of him but I'm not sure if I hit it or not. I found blood where I shot and also found blood in a few other spots but never could find the deer. Somone else had shot one earlier in the field next to where I was about 20 minutes earlier and said he knocked it down and it layed there for a few minutes but when he went to get it it jumped up and took off. We think it was the one I shot so more than likely it was already wounded. I looked and looked and had a buddy come help me look and we never did find it. I was pretty upset the whole day. I really just hate not finding a deer and just having wounded it. That's why I'm not crazy about shotguns as it seems to do that a lot. The next which was the last day of hunting season here I ended up shooting another doe this time with the rifle and it just fell over in it's tracks. Didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. This made me feel a little better as I was happy to get another deer this season but I am still dissapointed I couldn't find that one.


Hopefully he can find his. I think losing them though is sometime we all go through at one point or another.

country1 01-15-2009 08:21 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: timbercruiser

My grandson shot a big 8 point this afternoon with his new .270, broadside about 50 yards. Blood sprayed all over the place. Weblood trailed him,some good pink lung blood,thru a field and down into a creek bottom, crossed the creeks and up a hill where the blood stopped at the edge of a briar patch. We will be back out there in the morning and try and find him. He is just sick about it.........me too.
It is likely he is in that patch. If you can, take at leastthree people. One or twowill be watching for the buck if he gets up and the other two will be slowly poking (literally poking) the ground and searching the brush.

Crow31 01-15-2009 09:58 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
Make sure he didn't circle back and go down the creek. Sounds exactly like a story my wife has, she found hers 50yds down the creek.

wis_bow_huntr 01-16-2009 02:55 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
How many yards did you track him before you lost the blood, I have a feeling hes right there near by. also make sure he didnt double back on his own trail and cut off. I have had several deer do this. But follow the blood trail in the morning from where he hit the buck and keep an eye out.

texas8point 01-16-2009 03:36 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
Ok Now, We are chompin at the bit.......get out there and find the buck, take a picture and post it !

retrieverman 01-16-2009 03:56 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
Find someone with a tracking dog. You don't need to loose your grandson's deer.

teedub31 01-16-2009 05:30 AM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


gh you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thing lost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!
I know how you feel. I've lost a few deer in my life. Just this year the day before hunting season ended I had a deer creep out to me and look around before coming into the field. He was about 35 yards from me and I shot him in the head and chest with my 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 000buckshot. I'm pretty sure I hit him good from the way he acted when I shot. He then turned and ran and I shot at the side of him but I'm not sure if I hit it or not. I found blood where I shot and also found blood in a few other spots but never could find the deer. Somone else had shot one earlier in the field next to where I was about 20 minutes earlier and said he knocked it down and it layed there for a few minutes but when he went to get it it jumped up and took off. We think it was the one I shot so more than likely it was already wounded. I looked and looked and had a buddy come help me look and we never did find it. I was pretty upset the whole day. I really just hate not finding a deer and just having wounded it. That's why I'm not crazy about shotguns as it seems to do that a lot. The next which was the last day of hunting season here I ended up shooting another doe this time with the rifle and it just fell over in it's tracks. Didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. This made me feel a little better as I was happy to get another deer this season but I am still dissapointed I couldn't find that one.


Hopefully he can find his. I think losing them though is sometime we all go through at one point or another.
More anecdotal evidence as to why 00Buckshot is a poor choice of ammo to use on deer!

gregrn43 01-16-2009 05:57 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
It aint lost yet, get out there at daylight and find him. If he double lunged him with a 270 he wont go far. Just keep on keeping on.

Jimmy S 01-16-2009 08:37 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
Based on personal experience and how you described the shot, I would feel confident in finding this buck.
Take your time and be very methotical. He should be close by.

I have finally found deer after a shot that was in thick, nasty stuff. Kinda like looking for a rabbit in places that rabbits would go.
Good Luck to you both and give us an update with pics.

timbercruiser 01-16-2009 10:38 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
Couldn't find the buck. It appears that the shot was maybe on the bottom of the lungs, definitely some lung blood and the deer seemed to be bleeding out the mouth some. He went into a large pine plantation area with a lot of underbrush/briars. We found one more spot of blood where he crossed a road, but there are so many deer in the area we couldn't tell if the buck went out of that block or where he went. The blood stopped. We never did find a place that the deer laid down. A lot of running large tracks on the road system. I called around this morning trying to get a blood dog, but the majority of the dog hunters have quit over the last few years and the couple that might have a dog were working. Just one of those things that happen if you hunt long enough.

Crow31 01-16-2009 10:43 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
Man, I'm sorry to here that. Wish I could help.


fastetti 01-16-2009 11:31 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
That def. does suck. Im sure he's dead somewhere in the thick stuff. I agree with Jimmy. He's probably laid up somewhere thick that a rabbit wouldn't go. I can't tell you how many fatally wounded deer Ive found a year later while rabbit and pheasant hunting the thick stuff. I low lunged a whitetail this year with my .270. She went about 100 yards on a dead sprint, made it to a creek/ditch and couldn't make it up the bank before falling over. Good luck, Im sure he's dead somewhere. Even if you can't find him to save the meat, I'd keep up the hunt at least for the rack.

Jimmy S 01-16-2009 11:33 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
What a shame - sorry to hear it.
As long as you know you did the best you could, it makes it a little easier to accept.

hometheaterman 01-16-2009 11:37 AM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: teedub31


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


gh you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thing lost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!
I know how you feel. I've lost a few deer in my life. Just this year the day before hunting season ended I had a deer creep out to me and look around before coming into the field. He was about 35 yards from me and I shot him in the head and chest with my 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 000buckshot. I'm pretty sure I hit him good from the way he acted when I shot. He then turned and ran and I shot at the side of him but I'm not sure if I hit it or not. I found blood where I shot and also found blood in a few other spots but never could find the deer. Somone else had shot one earlier in the field next to where I was about 20 minutes earlier and said he knocked it down and it layed there for a few minutes but when he went to get it it jumped up and took off. We think it was the one I shot so more than likely it was already wounded. I looked and looked and had a buddy come help me look and we never did find it. I was pretty upset the whole day. I really just hate not finding a deer and just having wounded it. That's why I'm not crazy about shotguns as it seems to do that a lot. The next which was the last day of hunting season here I ended up shooting another doe this time with the rifle and it just fell over in it's tracks. Didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. This made me feel a little better as I was happy to get another deer this season but I am still dissapointed I couldn't find that one.


Hopefully he can find his. I think losing them though is sometime we all go through at one point or another.
More anecdotal evidence as to why 00Buckshot is a poor choice of ammo to use on deer!
I don't disagree. I don't really like shotguns a whole lot for deer hunting but the spot I was in you just could not use a rifle. I was shooting 000 buckshot as it's what my shotgun seemed to pattern the best when I shot it target practicing. Grouped a lot better than 00. However, quite a few guys I hunt with seem to have no problem killing deer with buckshot so not sure why I have such bad luck. I suspect he didn't go far it was just super thick and while I went though most of it I could I suspect he just got somewhere I couldn't find him. It was wet and a fair bit of water too that kind of messed us up.

shooter1966 01-16-2009 11:41 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
Man that sucks!!....IMO...and just that OPINION...that buck went a long way...you know sometimes leg blood can look real good;)....been there done that.

heinz57 01-16-2009 12:11 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
when u jerk the trigger the barrel moves down and u get a leg shot ..nice blood trail and then nothing ..he is still alive ..been there ,done it and now i squeeze the trigger ...

hunting junkie 01-16-2009 01:02 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


ORIGINAL: teedub31


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


gh you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thing lost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!
I know how you feel. I've lost a few deer in my life. Just this year the day before hunting season ended I had a deer creep out to me and look around before coming into the field. He was about 35 yards from me and I shot him in the head and chest with my 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 000buckshot. I'm pretty sure I hit him good from the way he acted when I shot. He then turned and ran and I shot at the side of him but I'm not sure if I hit it or not. I found blood where I shot and also found blood in a few other spots but never could find the deer. Somone else had shot one earlier in the field next to where I was about 20 minutes earlier and said he knocked it down and it layed there for a few minutes but when he went to get it it jumped up and took off. We think it was the one I shot so more than likely it was already wounded. I looked and looked and had a buddy come help me look and we never did find it. I was pretty upset the whole day. I really just hate not finding a deer and just having wounded it. That's why I'm not crazy about shotguns as it seems to do that a lot. The next which was the last day of hunting season here I ended up shooting another doe this time with the rifle and it just fell over in it's tracks. Didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. This made me feel a little better as I was happy to get another deer this season but I am still dissapointed I couldn't find that one.


Hopefully he can find his. I think losing them though is sometime we all go through at one point or another.
More anecdotal evidence as to why 00Buckshot is a poor choice of ammo to use on deer!
I don't disagree. I don't really like shotguns a whole lot for deer hunting but the spot I was in you just could not use a rifle. I was shooting 000 buckshot as it's what my shotgun seemed to pattern the best when I shot it target practicing. Grouped a lot better than 00. However, quite a few guys I hunt with seem to have no problem killing deer with buckshot so not sure why I have such bad luck. I suspect he didn't go far it was just super thick and while I went though most of it I could I suspect he just got somewhere I couldn't find him. It was wet and a fair bit of water too that kind of messed us up.

I think he was talking about slugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hometheaterman 01-16-2009 01:11 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: hunting junkie


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


ORIGINAL: teedub31


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


gh you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thing lost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!
I know how you feel. I've lost a few deer in my life. Just this year the day before hunting season ended I had a deer creep out to me and look around before coming into the field. He was about 35 yards from me and I shot him in the head and chest with my 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 000buckshot. I'm pretty sure I hit him good from the way he acted when I shot. He then turned and ran and I shot at the side of him but I'm not sure if I hit it or not. I found blood where I shot and also found blood in a few other spots but never could find the deer. Somone else had shot one earlier in the field next to where I was about 20 minutes earlier and said he knocked it down and it layed there for a few minutes but when he went to get it it jumped up and took off. We think it was the one I shot so more than likely it was already wounded. I looked and looked and had a buddy come help me look and we never did find it. I was pretty upset the whole day. I really just hate not finding a deer and just having wounded it. That's why I'm not crazy about shotguns as it seems to do that a lot. The next which was the last day of hunting season here I ended up shooting another doe this time with the rifle and it just fell over in it's tracks. Didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. This made me feel a little better as I was happy to get another deer this season but I am still dissapointed I couldn't find that one.


Hopefully he can find his. I think losing them though is sometime we all go through at one point or another.
More anecdotal evidence as to why 00Buckshot is a poor choice of ammo to use on deer!
I don't disagree. I don't really like shotguns a whole lot for deer hunting but the spot I was in you just could not use a rifle. I was shooting 000 buckshot as it's what my shotgun seemed to pattern the best when I shot it target practicing. Grouped a lot better than 00. However, quite a few guys I hunt with seem to have no problem killing deer with buckshot so not sure why I have such bad luck. I suspect he didn't go far it was just super thick and while I went though most of it I could I suspect he just got somewhere I couldn't find him. It was wet and a fair bit of water too that kind of messed us up.

I think he was talking about slugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He said 00 buckshot was not a good load. I thought about it and want to add that I've seen quite a few deer get away that have been shot and hit good with rifles with lots of blood. I shot one last year with my 30-06 and he instantly dropped. Since he dropped I got down out of the stand right then and when I got there he was gone. A buddy shot one this year with his .270 and shot it 3 times before it feel. All 3 were good hits. One a little far back but the other two were perfect. It was running when it went past him and he shot it and it didn't slow down. So he shot again and it slowed a little but kept running hard. He thought he missed so he shot a 3rd time and it didn't run much further.

I know quite a few more stories of deer that are hit with bows and run off never to be found. IMO bow hunting is the worst way to to just injure a deer.

I don't know while I personally don't like buckshot I don't think it's as bad for wounding deer as people make it out to be. I've wounded deer with it and never found them but I've also wounded a deer with a rifle and never found it as well as seen quite a few others get wounded with a rifle never to be found. I think it more has to do with the person shooting it.

So all in all I don't think buckshot is a bad load and I've seen quite a few and I mean quite a few deer get killed with it no problem where the deer just dropped right there. However, I haven't had that kind of luck with it. I've had bad luck with a rifle at times too however as well as seen others have bad luck with both. I've probably seen just as many deer killed with buckshot as I have rifles and in some hunting spots shotguns are just better.In others rifles are. I don't think any load is worse than the other really. You have to realize with buckshot you can't shoot a deer 200 yards away and as long as you realize that usually it does pretty good at close range as in 30-50 yards. I just got unlucky with the deer I shot with it.

terbzz 01-16-2009 01:51 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
Iv shot 6 deer with a 243 wssm with 100 grain bullets and iv never lost one or had one go more than 50 yards. I dropped a muley buck in his tracks at 350 yards,i double lunged him and broke both his shoulders.

hometheaterman 01-16-2009 02:23 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: terbzz

Iv shot 6 deer with a 243 wssm with 100 grain bullets and iv never lost one or had one go more than 50 yards. I dropped a muley buck in his tracks at 350 yards,i double lunged him and broke both his shoulders.
That's the thing with the one I shot with the shotgun. He probably didn't go more than 50 yards but about 3 yards behind him it got super thick to where we could barely walk around in there and it was a major chore to move at all. That's what made it so hard to track him. It was super thick and my guess is she went in there and just layed down to where we couldn't see her. If I had of had a rifle I more than likely would still not have found it unless it just dropped right where it was as it was soo thick all around it except for infront of it where the field was. Since that's where I was and shot from it of course didn't come straight to me and the field after I shot.

I shot one with my 30-06 the next day and it didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. Just dropped right there. I've also shot them with my 30-06 and knocked them down only to never find them.

Crow31 01-16-2009 02:36 PM

RE: Lost buck
 


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


ORIGINAL: hunting junkie


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


ORIGINAL: teedub31


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman


gh you might not loose much meat! I lost an 8 point this year, I found him the next morning and the only thing lost was the tenderloins! Luckily, it was cool and the 'yotes didn't find him before I did!
I know how you feel. I've lost a few deer in my life. Just this year the day before hunting season ended I had a deer creep out to me and look around before coming into the field. He was about 35 yards from me and I shot him in the head and chest with my 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 000buckshot. I'm pretty sure I hit him good from the way he acted when I shot. He then turned and ran and I shot at the side of him but I'm not sure if I hit it or not. I found blood where I shot and also found blood in a few other spots but never could find the deer. Somone else had shot one earlier in the field next to where I was about 20 minutes earlier and said he knocked it down and it layed there for a few minutes but when he went to get it it jumped up and took off. We think it was the one I shot so more than likely it was already wounded. I looked and looked and had a buddy come help me look and we never did find it. I was pretty upset the whole day. I really just hate not finding a deer and just having wounded it. That's why I'm not crazy about shotguns as it seems to do that a lot. The next which was the last day of hunting season here I ended up shooting another doe this time with the rifle and it just fell over in it's tracks. Didn't move 2 feet from where I shot it. This made me feel a little better as I was happy to get another deer this season but I am still dissapointed I couldn't find that one.


Hopefully he can find his. I think losing them though is sometime we all go through at one point or another.
More anecdotal evidence as to why 00Buckshot is a poor choice of ammo to use on deer!
I don't disagree. I don't really like shotguns a whole lot for deer hunting but the spot I was in you just could not use a rifle. I was shooting 000 buckshot as it's what my shotgun seemed to pattern the best when I shot it target practicing. Grouped a lot better than 00. However, quite a few guys I hunt with seem to have no problem killing deer with buckshot so not sure why I have such bad luck. I suspect he didn't go far it was just super thick and while I went though most of it I could I suspect he just got somewhere I couldn't find him. It was wet and a fair bit of water too that kind of messed us up.

I think he was talking about slugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He said 00 buckshot was not a good load. I thought about it and want to add that I've seen quite a few deer get away that have been shot and hit good with rifles with lots of blood. I shot one last year with my 30-06 and he instantly dropped. Since he dropped I got down out of the stand right then and when I got there he was gone. A buddy shot one this year with his .270 and shot it 3 times before it feel. All 3 were good hits. One a little far back but the other two were perfect. It was running when it went past him and he shot it and it didn't slow down. So he shot again and it slowed a little but kept running hard. He thought he missed so he shot a 3rd time and it didn't run much further.

I know quite a few more stories of deer that are hit with bows and run off never to be found. IMO bow hunting is the worst way to to just injure a deer.

I don't know while I personally don't like buckshot I don't think it's as bad for wounding deer as people make it out to be. I've wounded deer with it and never found them but I've also wounded a deer with a rifle and never found it as well as seen quite a few others get wounded with a rifle never to be found. I think it more has to do with the person shooting it.

So all in all I don't think buckshot is a bad load and I've seen quite a few and I mean quite a few deer get killed with it no problem where the deer just dropped right there. However, I haven't had that kind of luck with it. I've had bad luck with a rifle at times too however as well as seen others have bad luck with both. I've probably seen just as many deer killed with buckshot as I have rifles and in some hunting spots shotguns are just better.In others rifles are. I don't think any load is worse than the other really. You have to realize with buckshot you can't shoot a deer 200 yards away and as long as you realize that usually it does pretty good at close range as in 30-50 yards. I just got unlucky with the deer I shot with it.

isatarak 01-16-2009 09:15 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
He didn't hit lung or you would have found the deer.

2 Lunger 01-16-2009 10:42 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: hometheaterman



I know quite a few more stories of deer that are hit with bows and run off never to be found. IMO bow hunting is the worst way to to just injure a deer.

I don't know while I personally don't like buckshot I don't think it's as bad for wounding deer as people make it out to be. I've wounded deer with it and never found them but I've also wounded a deer with a rifle and never found it as well as seen quite a few others get wounded with a rifle never to be found. I think it more has to do with the person shooting it.


You want to make a statement like that and then contradict yourself in the very next paragraph. It doesn't matter what you shoot. If you shoot a deer with a bow, shotgun or rifle in the vitals, it is a dead deer period. If you miss the vitals it's more than likely going to be wounded and either die of infection or it will live. Please don't come on here and say that bowhunters wound more deer than anyone else. I find several deer each year after gun season in IL. with slug holes in them. These are the guys who just point and shoot because they think since they have a 1 oz. chunk of lead coming out of their barrell they think that no matter where they hit it will kill the deer.

Rory/MO 01-16-2009 10:47 PM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: hometheaterman

I know quite a few more stories of deer that are hit with bows and run off never to be found. IMO bow hunting is the worst way to to just injure a deer.

congratulations, you have been awarded the stupidest post ever on HNI award.

hometheaterman 01-17-2009 06:50 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
I only know a handful of guys that bow hunt and all of them shoot several deer each year and are lucky if they find one or two of them. All of them have lots of stories each year about how they hit a deer and found blood but no deer. If they want to bow hunt I have no problem with it but I hear all of them talk about how many deer they have shot and hardly ever do I hear of them saying they were able to find it.

spaniel 01-17-2009 07:11 AM

RE: Lost buck
 


ORIGINAL: hometheaterman

I only know a handful of guys that bow hunt and all of them shoot several deer each year and are lucky if they find one or two of them. All of them have lots of stories each year about how they hit a deer and found blood but no deer. If they want to bow hunt I have no problem with it but I hear all of them talk about how many deer they have shot and hardly ever do I hear of them saying they were able to find it.
It's poor form to extrapolate information from your buddies, who are either terrible shots or terrible trackers, and extrapolate it to bowhunting in general. Archery does not typically generate the bloodflow that a wound from a gun would in the same spot, but I have shot a ton of deer with a bow and there's only a couple I never found (and those were when I made a terrible shot).

zrexpilot 01-17-2009 07:31 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
I bow hunt and rifle hunt. I can say the recovery rate ratio is much lower with the bow. I had my worst year ever this year, 3 out of 4 with a bow, that absolutley sucks. I shot a nice 8 pointer that seemed like a bit low but not that bad. Gave him an hour, we found a pool of blood (pink) foaming and even lung chunks, we must have pushed him because we followed a descent blood trail for 600 yds through several properties, never found him.
I am lucky to say 30 years with a rifle I have never lost one.
I use to think that if you lung them their dead and more than likely are but at what point. The lungs have lots of blood vessels some small and some large, it seem you can hit lung but not the major arteries and the deer go for a long time. It seems a little low a little high or a little far back and the deer go a long way. Put it dead center near thecrease of the shoulderandthey dont last long. Right there it will clip the major arteries of the heart and lungs. Just my observation.








mikybigbuck 01-17-2009 07:36 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
about 90 % of my hunting, in the woods, is done with a 45/70...they legalized them a few years back, as a primitive weapon, and i use it all season..it don't play...you hit a deer almost anywhere, and its going down...i killed 5 deer with it this season, and 4 of them went straight down and never moved...the fifth was running away from me...i shot it in the butt, and the bullet exited between the shoulder blade and brisket...that buck went thirty yards, full of adrenaline...he was spraying blood like a garden hose the whole way...

2 Lunger 01-17-2009 09:16 AM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: hometheaterman

I only know a handful of guys that bow hunt and all of them shoot several deer each year and are lucky if they find one or two of them. All of them have lots of stories each year about how they hit a deer and found blood but no deer. If they want to bow hunt I have no problem with it but I hear all of them talk about how many deer they have shot and hardly ever do I hear of them saying they were able to find it.
I wouldn't call these guys bow hunters. These guys are shooters who obviously have no respect for the game in which they persue.

2 Lunger 01-17-2009 09:19 AM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: zrexpilot

I bow hunt and rifle hunt. I can say the recovery rate ratio is much lower with the bow. I had my worst year ever this year, 3 out of 4 with a bow, that absolutley sucks. I shot a nice 8 pointer that seemed like a bit low but not that bad. Gave him an hour, we found a pool of blood (pink) foaming and even lung chunks, we must have pushed him because we followed a descent blood trail for 600 yds through several properties, never found him.
I am lucky to say 30 years with a rifle I have never lost one.
I use to think that if you lung them their dead and more than likely are but at what point. The lungs have lots of blood vessels some small and some large, it seem you can hit lung but not the major arteries and the deer go for a long time. It seems a little low a little high or a little far back and the deer go a long way. Put it dead center near thecrease of the shoulderandthey dont last long. Right there it will clip the major arteries of the heart and lungs. Just my observation.

I've never had a deer that had in arrow sent through both lungs that went over 100 yrds. If you put a hole through both lungs a deer or any other creature can not survive. I will agree that the farther back you hit the lungs the farther they will go, but if you get a true double lung hit it equals dead deer.

zrexpilot 01-17-2009 11:48 AM

RE: Lost buck
 

ORIGINAL: 2 Lunger

I've never had a deer that had in arrow sent through both lungs that went over 100 yrds.
Now I nor anyone else cant say with 100% certainty about exactly where the animal was hit because the animal was never recovered. But this yearI personaly saw and tracked a small doe that was double lunged with a .308 and that deer went 200 yds. the deer really didnt start leaving a blood trail for about 100 yds, I gutted this deer and saw it was double lunged.
I have hit deer with an arrow that seemed to be double lunged and never recovered. I have also made bad shots on deer with my bow and recovered them.

J The Deer Slayer 01-17-2009 11:50 AM

RE: Lost buck
 
When I bow hunt I always make sure I have a clear shot at the shoulder. More towards the back, lower part of the shoulder. That way I take out the heart and maybe some lungs too.

With a rifle or mussel loader I go for the neck area or the head if that's all I have a shot at. (75% time this is all I get) But if I get lucky I'll get a shot at one broad side. I aim mid shoulder if not lower shoulder towards the back to I destroy all the vitals I can. I have found this to work good with my ballistic tip bullets. The deer I shot this year all had mush for a heart and busted ribs.

gspguy73 01-17-2009 12:47 PM

RE: Lost buck
 
Good luck tracking that deer. I know that sick feeling you get when you lose a blood trail.

rybohunter 01-19-2009 08:36 AM

RE: Lost buck
 

I only know a handful of guys that bow hunt and all of them shoot several deer each year and are lucky if they find one or two of them. All of them have lots of stories each year about how they hit a deer and found blood but no deer. If they want to bow hunt I have no problem with it but I hear all of them talk about how many deer they have shot and hardly ever do I hear of them saying they were able to find it.
Sounds like your buddies are idiots. Ifthey are hitting several deer a year & only recovering 1-2,they aren't putting the arrows thru the vitals, orthey can't track for anything. In either casethey should quit hunting, or remedy the situation before taking any more shots.



can say the recovery rate ratio is much lower with the bow. I had my worst year ever this year, 3 out of 4 with a bow, that absolutley sucks. I shot a nice 8 pointer that seemed like a bit low but not that bad. Gave him an hour, we found a pool of blood (pink) foaming and even lung chunks, we must have pushed him because we followed a descent blood trail for 600 yds through several properties, never found him.
I am lucky to say 30 years with a rifle I have never lost one.
Again, you must not be hitting them where you think, or you aren't a very good tracker. Other than the statistical abnormality, a double lunged deer is dead. And nearly all of the time very quickly. I know on the rare occasion they can cover quite a bit of distance, but that is no excuse for not finding one...or 3.



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