RE: descent people?
 

Sorry RR but its more of a challenge to get within 20 yards of a big deer then it is to shoot one from 1300 yards. You're NOT a hunter or even a sportsman for that matter. You're a shooter and nothing more.

RE: descent people?
 

It's about as ethical as what they're doing.Take those tires out!;)

RE: descent people?
 

Pretty tough stand for a brand new holyer than thou newbie. Coming out of the gate like that tells me you won't be here all that long.

RE: descent people?
 

One thing I can guarantee is that you aren't near big enough to teach me any manners.


I'm entitled to my opinion and I have it. Nothing you can do about it. I stand by my stance that 1300 yard shots on deer are reckless and needless and irresponsible at best.

You mentioned my bird hunting. I compare your hunting habits to those who hunt strictly pen raised birds and call themselves hunters. They're shooters just like you sir.

Just callin a spade a spade RR.


I have a feeling I'll be around as long as I choose to be Champlain. I'm not above anyone else but I don't think killing a deer from 1300 yards is considered hunting.

RE: descent people?
 

ridge runner, is it just me or is this guy a confrontational dick? it's like whatever anyone'sopinion is on something he has to take the opposite stance. i'm talking about betterbirddogs.i'll bet he doesn't even needfriends, beingall God like.

RE: descent people?
 

You will be around but nobody will talk with you. I expect you are used to that because of your attitude. I saw a piece on TV about long range coyote hunting. The equipment and techniques to make a killing shot at a game animal at long yardage is incredible. Only a few have the ability to even come close. I consider that alone to weed out 99% of the sportsmen to be able to accomplish long range hunting. Being able to get within close bow range is certainly difficult but equally difficult is to be able to hit what you are aiming at taking into consideration ballistic drop, wind drift, temperature and barometric pressure. To accomplish a close stalk on a game animal everything has to be perfect. The same can be said about a long range killing shot where perfection is the only goal. Our military only allows a select few to become snipers. The equipment and person using it has to be perfect not lucky.

RE: descent people?
 

Thanks for the tip Champlain.




Here's me.






Here's your point.


Funny thing is that I'm not the only person here who thinks RR is rediculous.

RE: descent people?
 

Everyone has an opinion BBD. Most of us consider all hunting that is both legal and ethical to be of merit.The very argument you use doesn't hold water. Your position is it isn't hunting unless you get close and kill with a bow. Lots of people on here might agree but many don't. I believe that long distance hunting does present a very difficult scenario which is on par with getting close. I won't say that a 20 yard bow shot is on par with a 100 yard rifle shot but push that back to 600 or more yards and the average hunter couldn't even get it into the animal. Taking shots with either bow or rifle without expertise is unethical. If someone has the ability to make a 700 yard shot on game then they deserve to harvest. Flinging a 40 yard shot at a deer when you can't hit a beer box at 20 is just as unethical as someone shooting at a deer at 400 yards when they haven't even practiced at anything beyond 100 yards. Both the up close bow hunter and the long distance marksman pursue the game in the same way… 100%.I still hunt and track deer in the snow at some very large and wild areas of Northern Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and the vast expanses of the west for elk.Sitting on a food plot isn't my way of hunting but I respect people who choose to hunt this way. We are all hunting and as long as it is fair chase then it is ethical.

RE: descent people?
 

Yeah, there is another guy who thinks RR is ridiculous. He acts like a punk, too. Help me understand how using a rifle is not hunting... but using a shotgun on birds that a dog finds for you is?

RE: descent people?
 

This is a very well stated and true point Champlain.

RE: descent people?
 

IMO King you don't have to hunt for an animal that is 1300 yards away. You have to hunt for birds. (wild birds anyway)

RE: descent people?
 

It's hard to see a deer at 600 yards with your scope or spotting scope? Is that what you're trying to get me to believe? Whatever retard. You ARE a good marksman but you are NOT a hunter. Just deal with it fella.

You are right in saying my dogs are the fantastic hunters in our relationship and I am the shooter. At least I can admit that I'm just the shooter while bird hunting. You, on the other hand, are still in denial. Its an ugly thing RR.


Go ahead Champlain, chime in about how my attitude is making people not want to be my friend.......

RE: descent people?
 

what is your problem? you sound like a damn idiot. anyone who can spot a deer at 1000 yards, keep sight of it long enough to make a decent shot and kill it is a much better hunter than someone who uses dogs to shoot birds in my opinion. ive read severl topics that you chime in on and you always seem to try to make people think your opinion is the right one and no one elses matters. your always arguing with people. What is your deal?

RE: descent people?
 

the guy's an ass (betterbirddogs). look at some of my more recent posts and on most of them he takes the opposite side of the proverbial court. i personally wouldn't attempt a shot at a deer over 300 yards with a rifle, but i damn sure respect a person who cankill one at 1300 yards.

RE: descent people?
 

I hate road hunters and ppl who get the diability permint and think it gives them permisson to hunt on posted
land and drive their trucks on posted prop

RE: descent people?
 

No further action on my part is necessary...you have proven my point and continue to do so.
I tried to help but you shut the door. CI over and out.