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zrexpilot 10-21-2008 12:01 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: ipscshooter

Frankly, if you can't consistently make a headshot at that range, then you're either incompetent or too lazy to practice your shooting skills, and you probably shouldn't be out there anyway... With a scope on 9X at 40 yards, you can pretty much pick out which strand of hair you want to hit...
Aint it funny we grew up as kids nailing squirrels and rabbitts in the head at 30-50 yds with open sight .22's. But now that were old and own 1000-3000 dollar rifles with 6x20 scopes that can hit a knats ass at a 100 yds all of a sudden not allowed to hit a deers head, the size of a grapefruit at 50-75 yds.


shaggy1224 10-21-2008 12:08 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: Otsdawa_Game_Hunter

Last season we had a doe running around with a lower jaw missing and it took us 2 days to finally get her down. Some NYC "Vinny" from down state in the land next to ours was the culprit because a shot was heard on their side and a few minutes later she came running over to our side, ran under my buddy's stand with her jaw missing and blood going everywhere. This doe ran around for days in pain and for what? We took the deer and dumped it at the bottom of their road with a cardboard sign around it's neck. It read "Hey A$$*&#@ if we see this again around here there will be phone calls made to the NYSDEC" So hell no to head shots! A round into the engine room works every time. If you need a head shot to down a deer because either you are too lazy/incompetent to track if necessary then you probably shouldn't be out there anyway.

Mack
the fact that u took 2 days to kill that deer and then wasted it by dumping it. is just as unethical than taking a head shot. have u ever wounded a deer trying for a double lung shot? if u have maybe u shouldn't be allowed to hunt at all. that would be the ethical thing to do. most everyone has wounded a deer sometime. the ethical thing to do is make every effort to to find it.

Otsdawa_Game_Hunter 10-21-2008 12:54 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
I'm pretty sure that when you double lung a deerit goes down:eek: Something about not having lungs, it would appear that anything breathing oxygen wouldn't run too far, maybe? You are an idiot. Secondly we didn't waste the deer, we brought it to the guy who blasted her damn jaw off in the first place playing sniper and put it at his truck because we had no doe tag. And he did take it. Learninghow to readis highly encouraged!!! As far as us taking two days to kill the doe....I would love to see you come to 800 acres in the Adirondack Mountainsand hunt down one deer in 2 days. The fact is that we gave a $hit enough to look for her and hunt her down which wouldnt have even been necessary if this neighbor wouldn't have been playing scout sniper. This idiot didn't even bother to go and look for her and it was his deer! So GFY!!!!



nchawkeye 10-21-2008 01:12 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
zrexpilot...The problem is too many guys on here didn't grow up hunting squirrels...I've killed a barn full of squirrels with head shots, killed many hogs that I shot in the head to butcher with a .22 pistol...We used to butcher 20 hogs a year, all were dispatched with a .22 to the brain...

A .22 inside of 50 yards into the brain of a deer will drop it in it's tracks...If you don't like the shot, don't take it...

You can tell by many of the responses that some of these guys haven't killed many deer...I've killed about 15 with a .22 while squirrel hunting, never lost a one...NC has no stipulations on the books as to minimum cartridge size when hunting deer, guess we believe in less government intervention down here...:D

skybuster20ga 10-21-2008 04:59 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: vabyrd


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga


ORIGINAL: Otsdawa_Game_Hunter

Last season we had a doe running around with a lower jaw missing and it took us 2 days to finally get her down. Some NYC "Vinny" from down state in the land next to ours was the culprit because a shot was heard on their side and a few minutes later she came running over to our side, ran under my buddy's stand with her jaw missing and blood going everywhere. This doe ran around for days in pain and for what? We took the deer and dumped it at the bottom of their road with a cardboard sign around it's neck. phone calls made to tIt read "Hey A$$*&#@ if we see this again around here there will be he NYSDEC" So hell no to head shots! A round into the engine room works every time. If you need a head shot to down a deer because either you are too lazy/incompetent to track if necessary then you probably shouldn't be out there anyway.

Mack
thats such a croc of chit! it isnt up t yu "h hly one" to decide where some one chooses to shoot a deer. for all you know it wasnt intentional. the bullet could have been deflected. maybe someday ill be able to preach like you and be as perfect as youTHINK you are
..................the bullet could have been deflected?
yea.deflected.......how long have you been at this game??? w/ a remark lke that......:eek:

skybuster20ga 10-21-2008 05:04 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: Otsdawa_Game_Hunter

I'm pretty sure that when you double lung a deerit goes down:eek: Something about not having lungs, it would appear that anything breathing oxygen wouldn't run too far, maybe? You are an idiot. Secondly we didn't waste the deer, we brought it to the guy who blasted her damn jaw off in the first place playing sniper and put it at his truck because we had no doe tag. And he did take it. Learninghow to readis highly encouraged!!! As far as us taking two days to kill the doe....I would love to see you come to 800 acres in the Adirondack Mountainsand hunt down one deer in 2 days. The fact is that we gave a $hit enough to look for her and hunt her down which wouldnt have even been necessary if this neighbor wouldn't have been playing scout sniper. This idiot didn't even bother to go and look for her and it was his deer! So GFY!!!!


hahhaaha just when i think you cant get any more foolish you carry on and on and prove me wrong. you remind me of some of the flatlanders that come up to maine to hunt and stay downtown and freaquint the bar....they usually get tossed when talking all that non sense

skybuster20ga 10-21-2008 05:06 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
i also meant to ask you about that incredible, almost impossible deer hunting adventure in the adirondacks.......you probably were driving a jeep w/ three tires, up hill in reverse too huh

Otsdawa_Game_Hunter 10-21-2008 05:19 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
Ask your mom... she was the camp morale that week!

skybuster20ga 10-21-2008 06:19 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
hahaha i feel bad for you then

Otsdawa_Game_Hunter 10-21-2008 06:33 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
ok..ok enough is enough. Sky...I was just simply stating my opinion earlier this week. If you shoot Deer that way it's fine, I just choose not to do that. To each his own I guess. I think everyone, myself included needs to cease fire before we all get punted out of this site. White flag here on this end.

Mack

vabyrd 10-21-2008 08:57 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga


ORIGINAL: vabyrd


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga


ORIGINAL: Otsdawa_Game_Hunter

Last season we had a doe running around with a lower jaw missing and it took us 2 days to finally get her down. Some NYC "Vinny" from down state in the land next to ours was the culprit because a shot was heard on their side and a few minutes later she came running over to our side, ran under my buddy's stand with her jaw missing and blood going everywhere. This doe ran around for days in pain and for what? We took the deer and dumped it at the bottom of their road with a cardboard sign around it's neck. phone calls made to tIt read "Hey A$$*&#@ if we see this again around here there will be he NYSDEC" So hell no to head shots! A round into the engine room works every time. If you need a head shot to down a deer because either you are too lazy/incompetent to track if necessary then you probably shouldn't be out there anyway.

Mack
thats such a croc of chit! it isnt up t yu "h hly one" to decide where some one chooses to shoot a deer. for all you know it wasnt intentional. the bullet could have been deflected. maybe someday ill be able to preach like you and be as perfect as youTHINK you are
..................the bullet could have been deflected?
yea.deflected.......how long have you been at this game??? w/ a remark lke that......:eek:
So you're saying that it wasn't a clear headshot, but a questionable head shot.....Isn't that the point? I've NEVER had to worry about a shot being deflected, because I don't take crappy shots.Maybe you should stick withlobsters...


Colorado Luckydog 10-21-2008 09:55 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
Everyone should take a chill pill! Everyone grew up in a little different enviroment, and we all do things a little different. I bet if we were FTF we would all treat each other with more respect. In fact, I'd bet we would have quite the good time together. We should all remember, to each his own, as long as it's legal.


Bocajnala 10-21-2008 10:17 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
^^^ exactly. If it is legal, then it is not up to anyone else to decide which shots I am comfortable with. Let's all play nice now.
-Jake

vabyrd 10-22-2008 05:25 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 


its legal to shoot them in the a$$ too, is that ok?

ipscshooter 10-22-2008 07:42 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: vabyrd

its legal to shoot them in the a$$ too, is that ok?
I kinda doubt that that is legal... If you're intentionally shooting to wound them, I suspect you'd run afoul of some animal abuse laws...

Bocajnala 10-22-2008 08:09 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 
Actually, If you shoot them right below the tail, it is one of the most lethal shots there is. there is no heavy meat or bone to hit. Bullet usually go the whole way through the front chest bone. Making a mess of everthing inside. I've never done it, but I know an old guy in the area we hunt that has gotten three that way in the eight years I have been hunting. they never go far. I wouldn't take that shot, because it seems like a lot of risk, but he swears by it. and it is legal, so I don't tell him to stop.
-Jake

ipscshooter 10-22-2008 09:19 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 
Yeah, I've heard it referred to as a "Texas Heart Shot," though, I don't know anyone in Texas who would actually do that. Who wants to clean a deer after doing that??? [:'(][:'(][:'(] Probably some Okie coined the phrase...:D

As far as the parsing of the prior post... the shot you describe would pretty much need to have the word "hole" added to the description. Shooting in the @$$, to me, refers to the fleshy areas surrounding that particular "target"...

skybuster20ga 10-22-2008 09:38 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 
funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.

vabyrd, you obviously dont get the concept of a bullet deflecting. you could be aiming at the shoulder and hit a branch and end up hitting them in the head. that was what i was getting at. and if you say that isnt likl;ey to happen i wouldnt ever talk to a "real" hunter about it if i were you

solocamcan 10-22-2008 09:52 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.

vabyrd, you obviously dont get the concept of a bullet deflecting. you could be aiming at the shoulder and hit a branch and end up hitting them in the head. that was what i was getting at. and if you say that isnt likl;ey to happen i wouldnt ever talk to a "real" hunter about it if i were you
Please Die and go away, I don't care if it's natural, a accident, whatever ...... You make me ashamed to even be called a hunter, because I am NOT in the same class as you, but we get labeled together as one.

skybuster20ga 10-22-2008 10:37 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: solocamcan


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.

vabyrd, you obviously dont get the concept of a bullet deflecting. you could be aiming at the shoulder and hit a branch and end up hitting them in the head. that was what i was getting at. and if you say that isnt likl;ey to happen i wouldnt ever talk to a "real" hunter about it if i were you
Please Die and go away, I don't care if it's natural, a accident, whatever ...... You make me ashamed to even be called a hunter, because I am NOT in the same class as you, but we get labeled together as one.
lmao if i were you ide be ashamed of myself too hahaha. i dont see whats wrong w/ tucking a bullet between the hams. its a vital shot in any book. ill give you book titles and authors. the most popular i can think of off the top of my head is a hard cover outdoor life written by um...jack o'conner, maybe you've heard of him.....

skybuster20ga 10-22-2008 10:39 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: ipscshooter

Yeah, I've heard it referred to as a "Texas Heart Shot," though, I don't know anyone in Texas who would actually do that. Who wants to clean a deer after doing that??? [:'(][:'(][:'(] Probably some Okie coined the phrase...:D

As far as the parsing of the prior post... the shot you describe would pretty much need to have the word "hole" added to the description. Shooting in the @$$, to me, refers to the fleshy areas surrounding that particular "target"...
shouldnt have to when hunting over a feeder

solocamcan 10-22-2008 11:29 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga


ORIGINAL: solocamcan


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.

vabyrd, you obviously dont get the concept of a bullet deflecting. you could be aiming at the shoulder and hit a branch and end up hitting them in the head. that was what i was getting at. and if you say that isnt likl;ey to happen i wouldnt ever talk to a "real" hunter about it if i were you
Please Die and go away, I don't care if it's natural, a accident, whatever ...... You make me ashamed to even be called a hunter, because I am NOT in the same class as you, but we get labeled together as one.
lmao if i were you ide be ashamed of myself too hahaha. i dont see whats wrong w/ tucking a bullet between the hams. its a vital shot in any book. ill give you book titles and authors. the most popular i can think of off the top of my head is a hard cover outdoor life written by um...jack o'conner, maybe you've heard of him.....
Now what would make you think we have anything in common? Let alone a book from Mr. Un-Ethical...Please somebody, mistake this jag bag for a deer and blow his jaw off.

skybuster20ga 10-22-2008 11:41 AM

RE: Head shot on does
 
hahahhaa touchy aint we. did you get locked in closets and eat paste when you were young

1shotkill1993 10-22-2008 12:05 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
man i stopped looking at this post on page 4....it now has 11 pages wowwwwwwwwwww

ipscshooter 10-22-2008 12:07 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
Yep... And we've gone from a discussion of headshots to a discussion of buttshots...

shaggy1224 10-22-2008 12:09 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: Otsdawa_Game_Hunter

I'm pretty sure that when you double lung a deerit goes down:eek: Something about not having lungs, it would appear that anything breathing oxygen wouldn't run too far, maybe? You are an idiot. Secondly we didn't waste the deer, we brought it to the guy who blasted her damn jaw off in the first place playing sniper and put it at his truck because we had no doe tag. And he did take it. Learninghow to readis highly encouraged!!! As far as us taking two days to kill the doe....I would love to see you come to 800 acres in the Adirondack Mountainsand hunt down one deer in 2 days. The fact is that we gave a $hit enough to look for her and hunt her down which wouldnt have even been necessary if this neighbor wouldn't have been playing scout sniper. This idiot didn't even bother to go and look for her and it was his deer! So GFY!!!!


you are pretty quick to call people namesand throw insults around aren't ya!!! in your original post you said: we dumped her at the end of their road with a sign around her neck. now your story has changed. please make up your mind. did u dump the deer or did u give it to the guy. one more thing learning how to pull your head out of you a$$ is highly encouraged.

p.s. GFY!!!!!!!!!!!!



superstrutter 10-22-2008 12:11 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.
I was going to stay out of this one, but now I can't. You shoot at deer running away from you with a rifle? You come here saying as long as it's legal and ethical, it's okay, and your going to take a shot at a deer running away from you? Not to smart in my opinion. I don't care how confident you are with your shooting abilities. A running away shot with a rifle is just not a very wise decision. I don't care how open the terrain is, it's not a good idea. A running broadside shot I can understand, but even then, you are taking a risk.

solocamcan 10-22-2008 12:24 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

hahahhaa touchy aint we. did you get locked in closets and eat paste when you were young
Did'nt make me turn out to be the unethical POS that you are, so what's your excuse?

skybuster20ga 10-22-2008 12:30 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: superstrutter


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.
I was going to stay out of this one, but now I can't. You shoot at deer running away from you with a rifle? You come here saying as long as it's legal and ethical, it's okay, and your going to take a shot at a deer running away from you? Not to smart in my opinion. I don't care how confident you are with your shooting abilities. A running away shot with a rifle is just not a very wise decision. I don't care how open the terrain is, it's not a good idea. A running broadside shot I can understand, but even then, you are taking a risk.
cant get 'em if ya dont shoot. the benoits are probaby by far the best deer hunters in america. by far! look em up. they shoot most all their deer runnnig. sometimes th body sometimes the head. ide like to see bill jordan or tom miranda or anyone else on tv for that matter or any of you go out on command and kill a 200 lb maine buck by tracking.

and it isnt open up here at all actually. a 50 yd shot would be a loooong shot up in northern maine. a 200lb plus buck isnt that bad of a target to tuck one in his arse. ethical to YOU or not i do it. thats how a lot of deer are shot in the northeast.now what, this is going to turn into a debate about shooting at running deer???

and ethical??!?! are you kidding me. ethicalk to me is dropping them in threir tracks. bang flop dead. doesnt matter how they get there.

anyway have fun argueing w/ yourself. im headed to camp in about 30 to do some road work to see where i might start a tyrack of a big buck in a couple weeks. that way i can give you a full description of how he was grain fed by the 350 rem as he RAN away from me and took one in the back of the HEAD



skybuster20ga 10-22-2008 12:31 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: solocamcan


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

hahahhaa touchy aint we. did you get locked in closets and eat paste when you were young
Did'nt make me turn out to be the unethical POS that you are, so what's your excuse?
...i ate paste

solocamcan 10-22-2008 12:49 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga


ORIGINAL: superstrutter


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.
I was going to stay out of this one, but now I can't. You shoot at deer running away from you with a rifle? You come here saying as long as it's legal and ethical, it's okay, and your going to take a shot at a deer running away from you? Not to smart in my opinion. I don't care how confident you are with your shooting abilities. A running away shot with a rifle is just not a very wise decision. I don't care how open the terrain is, it's not a good idea. A running broadside shot I can understand, but even then, you are taking a risk.
cant get 'em if ya dont shoot. the benoits are probaby by far the best deer hunters in america. by far! look em up. they shoot most all their deer runnnig. sometimes th body sometimes the head. ide like to see bill jordan or tom miranda or anyone else on tv for that matter or any of you go out on command and kill a 200 lb maine buck by tracking.

and it isnt open up here at all actually. a 50 yd shot would be a loooong shot up in northern maine. a 200lb plus buck isnt that bad of a target to tuck one in his arse. ethical to YOU or not i do it. thats how a lot of deer are shot in the northeast.now what, this is going to turn into a debate about shooting at running deer???

But yet youhave enough timeto get on a running deer's head and hit it through ALL THAT THICK stuff? BS. Your set in your F'up ways, there is no telling you any different, so whatever. Hopefully everyone here that reads this crap realizes that and stops responding to anything you post. It's clear to see you get off on causing an uproar, because YOU know that this subject line is well defended by most ethical hunters, which you will never be. Youhave a poachers mentality and think you are something special...well you are special, no denying that, but you would be an outcast in 99.999% of deer camps across the US. I hope one day you realize that it's more sporting, more of a challenge to actually hunt and try to out smart the deer, but I am not going tobe betting on that.

1shotkill1993 10-22-2008 12:54 PM

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page 12...................................

Bocajnala 10-22-2008 01:18 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
haha. Lets not get started on shooting running deer. Some of us dont have nice food plots to sit over, and a lot of the deer we shoot are running
-Jake

bigtim6656 10-22-2008 02:45 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
for some that is not much of a move just not as deep in. ;)

ORIGINAL: ipscshooter

Yep... And we've gone from a discussion of headshots to a discussion of buttshots...

rookie51 10-22-2008 03:16 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga


ORIGINAL: superstrutter


ORIGINAL: skybuster20ga

funny you sjhould say that. yes, square up the a$$ is a fine shot. broad side in the azz i wouldnt ever try nor would i want to. those are two totally different impacts. ive shot several deer running away from me right up the a hole. ive also caught them in the back of the head ruinnin away too.
I was going to stay out of this one, but now I can't. You shoot at deer running away from you with a rifle? You come here saying as long as it's legal and ethical, it's okay, and your going to take a shot at a deer running away from you? Not to smart in my opinion. I don't care how confident you are with your shooting abilities. A running away shot with a rifle is just not a very wise decision. I don't care how open the terrain is, it's not a good idea. A running broadside shot I can understand, but even then, you are taking a risk.
cant get 'em if ya dont shoot. the benoits are probaby by far the best deer hunters in america. by far! look em up. they shoot most all their deer runnnig. sometimes th body sometimes the head. ide like to see bill jordan or tom miranda or anyone else on tv for that matter or any of you go out on command and kill a 200 lb maine buck by tracking.

and it isnt open up here at all actually. a 50 yd shot would be a loooong shot up in northern maine. a 200lb plus buck isnt that bad of a target to tuck one in his arse. ethical to YOU or not i do it. thats how a lot of deer are shot in the northeast.now what, this is going to turn into a debate about shooting at running deer???

and ethical??!?! are you kidding me. ethicalk to me is dropping them in threir tracks. bang flop dead. doesnt matter how they get there.

anyway have fun argueing w/ yourself. im headed to camp in about 30 to do some road work to see where i might start a tyrack of a big buck in a couple weeks. that way i can give you a full description of how he was grain fed by the 350 rem as he RAN away from me and took one in the back of the HEAD


You are easily the dumbest person i have ever seen on this site. I really hope you are just blowing smoke on the internet and you really dont hunt like you state. People wonder how hunting accidents happen.

BowtechHunting 10-22-2008 03:48 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

I can tell your not passionate about whitetails and deer hunting...

idiot...I would never shoot a deer in the head no matter what class....



BowtechHunting 10-22-2008 03:49 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

That statement was meant for Oxford County knucklehead.

BowtechHunting 10-22-2008 03:52 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 


Skybuster is a real piece of work....anybody with me on gettin' him kicked off on here?

Dozen Arrows 10-22-2008 03:52 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 

ORIGINAL: stabnslab_WI

How many people try for head shots on does so they can get the most meat out of their animal? I think it is a clean and ethical shot.
I did it once but will not do it again. Lucky for me it was dead center and severed the spine making it an instant kill, but a little to the right or to the left and I would not want to watch it die in that type of pain. It is far better to give them that burning sensation broadside if yo you know what I mean!

vabyrd 10-22-2008 04:05 PM

RE: Head shot on does
 
Good Lord, where do you start the response? I love the analogy about "the bullet could deflect because there is a branch in the way". Something tells me that's when you DONT shoot and wait for the right shot. And shooting running away? Are you kidding? Why do you even bother to get out of the truck? Thank goodness I don't have a clown like you in my hunting group. And no, I am not at your level. I refuse to lower my standards. So stay tuned in to all your little hunting shows and believe all the crap they tell you and go on with your stupid reasoning, while you're at it, learn a little grammar so people can understand your posts....


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