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looks like 700rem, mr. i don't have time for this, found more time. Something tells me he has plenty of time on his hands, too bad doesn't look like much of the time is used to be come an informed voter. Even I were voting republican this election, his mindless rhetoric and blasphemies would drive me up the wall:D

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Iam betting that right about now your wishing that there was a DELETE mode on this board??? Cant blame you after posting trash like this and putting yourself out there fro all of us to see..

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Quote from jimbodwb top of page 6.
"I am tired of everyone making political judgements based on religious beliefs. I have no problem with you running your life based on a book written 2000 years ago but our free country should be run by a qualified individual and not someone who bases everything soley on religion. That is the foundation of this country. If you believe religion should control the masses then move to the Middle East".

jimbodwb, I dont know where you got your education,but thatquote above is thestupidest thing I have seen in a long time.Most american thathave the slightest inklingof our history know that our forfathers, the men that drafted our constatution, came to thisland for many reasons.Among them, they were looking for a place they could persue thier religious beliefswith out persicution. those beliefs were carried overin to the originalform of our goverment. Many these men made decisions for thier families and the goverment based in part on thier religious belifes and prayer.They had political gatherings at the many churches, they had real prayers before the start of the political meetingswhere they could mention the name Jesus, with outbeingarrested. "InGod We Trust" was not a mindless slogan.Somehow we get seperation of church and state out of that?, Religion, JimBo, was the foundation of our government and it was run by very religious men, unlike today. Next, you will probably never be able to chose a candidate based only on his /her religious background because there is sooo much more at stake today, but you sure can pick out the ones that fake it or try to use it as a hole to be punch in a ticket. No christian I know would sit through achurchservice voluntarly and listen to the trash spuing from a "preacher" for a whole service much less for 20 some odd years. That kind of man has no moral thresh hold. He will listen to and probablydoany thing for his own personal gain, why else would he be there unless.. he agrees with it. No, I belive I will stay here in America where I can still freely base my decision in part or in whole on my religious belifes ifI want to, instead why dont yougo to russia where you wont have to worry about any onemaking a decision that has any religion mixed in.

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Sorry but I am not truly racist nor am I ignorant....I knew what it meant, and yes it is comical...not going to apologize......period.

Obama is part(a big part)of the reason we are where we are economically, sorry to say but read into his history......plus I would never vote for someone who wasn't 100% all for america with 100% american ties....at least McCain fought for our country, seems way undervalued nowadays for some unbelievable reason????? United we stand, divided we fall......have you ever heard a democrat say that in the last 20 years??? Think about it!

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oh give it up. Obama is going to win the election. Every poll suggests it and they even said before the last debate that Obama had all the electoral votes needed already in the states he has won over to win it. Now the onlything we need is the election. I cant wait to hear the cryin and moanin when hes in. Your all going to lose your minds. It really dosent matter if obama wins to me or not. Im atleast bright enough to listen to the news to know how far back mccain is. Republican = 4 more years of bush. One heart attack to mccain =4 years of Palin which is as bright as Jessica Simpson.

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To Jofutt or whateverand whoever is voting for Obama ... are you a hunter / gun owner ? if not what are you doing on this or any other hunting website, and if you are, how can you ever vote for a anti-gun guy like Obama. As gun owners and hunters we all need to vote for a pro gun canidate. I've made a few posts to this thread and have been watching it closely also, and for the life of me can't figure out why the hunters / gun owners in this country cannot stick together and vote for the canidate who is the most pro gun guy. I truly am ashamed and saddened by my fellow gun owners who are even considering voting for such an anti-gun canidate like Barok Obama. The facts of his anti gun voting record are out there for the whole world to see, and yet there are those of us willing to cast a vote for this man. The NRA has just STRONGLY supported McCain / Palin and some of you just don't get it. I truly believe that anyone even considering voting for Obama needs to take a good hard look at Great Britain and Australia, their gun owners couldn't get together either and they lost their guns.

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Obama is part(a big part)of the reason we are where we are economically, sorry to say but read into his history......plus I would never vote for someone who wasn't 100% all for america with 100% american ties....at least McCain fought for our country, seems way undervalued nowadays for some unbelievable reason????? United we stand, divided we fall......have you ever heard a democrat say that in the last 20 years??? Think about it!
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I have yet to reply to these political topics......but this is the best statement I have read in 12 pages of s#it. Well said Carpmaster!

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This part of the message is in response to deermeat1's last message.

I have to stop you on a couple of things you got wrong in your last post. First off its "constitution" and not "constatution". Secondly, since I have 2 years as a history major, specifically focusing on early America, I feel its my duty to inform you that seperation of church and state is exactly the principle that this country was founded. You see, at that point in history, England had a government controlled religion based on principles set King James (I'm sure by now you have made the connection to the King James Bible). This is who was doing the religious persecution. So they got on this little boat called the May Flower and set sail eventually landing at Plymouth, Massachussets (Plymouth Rock). Almost two hundred years later when our founding fathers drafted that sacred document that you mis-spelled Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and the Right to bear arms were among the first ten items they outlined (AKA The Bill Of Rights). This is all in your history books and I'm sure that you already knew all of it but I just wanted to tell you that you are indeed wrong. Although our founding fathers were christians the constitution states freedom of religion. So even though the government is biased toward the protestant religion. The views of catholics, jews, muslims, Hindu, buddist, and pretty much any other religion you can think of a expressidly protected and supported by our countries constitution. Just figured you might want to know.

As for people who are looking for direction on how to vote. The gun issue is a small one in the light of what is happening to our country. I don't think the government will every be able to take our guns because the people won't let it happen. There's too much history and tradition surrounding them. The abortion issue is a big one and I personally disagree with abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. IMO the biggest issues are the energy and economy crisis. Both are linked. Barak is for health care as a right and for creating more jobs. He's also for exploring alternative energy sources. Personally, the only thing I agree with McCain on is the Nuclear Power plants. Every other civilized nation in the world is making it work so why cant we?

As a certain individual who says on the gun battle you're either part of the solution or part of the problem. Extreme statements like that are part of the problem. that is why I said, sarcastically, that your message on page 3 was "enlightening". Because I think statements like that are extremely ignorant.

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ok i acnt seem to figure out the whole C H A N G E thing. maybe im retarded but could someone attempt to discreetly inform me on the meaning of it within the rules of the forum

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Hey 700rem boy shut up already will you. I swear i am sixteen years old and i probably act like 10x more mature than you. grow up and stop whining like a little boy.

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Don't worry yourself with it....seriously!

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This thread has been decent discussion for the most part as far as politics go, lets not be this way.....

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yeah ur prolly right carpmaster

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:D

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In response to Indyhunter .. I believe our gun rights are one of the most important issues in any campaign, since without our second amendment we are at the mercy of our trusted government. As to Obama's health care plan, its nothing more than the standard Blue Cross plan available to government officialswhich costs roughly $12,000 annually. Tell me how many are going to be able to afford that. I've watched this thread and a few others concerning the canidates, and have seen several trends. One of the most disturbing is the fact that American gun owners who have been attacked time and again by the anti gun crowd (Democrats), and we still can't come together to protect that which is so very vital to us all. The second thing I noticed is that most of the Obama supporters are those people who have gone to college, and have been brainwashed by radical far left wing liberal proffessors who were probably the same ones that were protesting and spitting on US service personel during the late 1960's and 70's. Kind of brings to mind a certain Professor (terrorist) Bill Ayers who is closely associated with Barak Obama. And third, I wondered just how many 12 and 13 year olds were spouting off who really don't have a clue as to whats going on politically. They are more concerned with the next football game at school and meeting up with their friends, and are just repeating what they have heard from their parents. I'm no history major, but I've read extensively on US American history of which I truly care about. And I'm one of those guys who has made the comment .. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. Vote McCain / Palin

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Ok SHOTARYE I have to agree on ur first point and i want to make it clear that i am pro gun and (although i cant vote) i am for McCain and Palin. But i have to question ur true beliefs, after reading ur other comments, because it offends me and degrades the respect for sportsman. Ur first comment, which tells us to unite for our 2nd ammendment rights, is totally contrdictary to ur second two points, which stereotype and degrade both college graduates and youth. Like i said earlier, i am sixteen years old right now and i attend football games regularly and hang out with friends and I have decided (ME not my parents) that McCain and Palin have more to offer our country and our outdoorsman than Obama and Biden. So next time u care to encourage hunters to unite for gun rights and the right political candidate, either dont or figure out what u really believe instead of making uninformed, stereotypical, dividing, careless, hypocritical comments.

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WOW ! That is all I can say after 13 pages of ...

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No there are some great comments.. Should I address them one at a time or all together? Tell ya what SHORTARYE.. I'll break it down for ya ;) . See heath care is a RIGHT and the basic Blue Cross Blue Sheild Health Insurance when you're facing lets say an organ transplant (personal experience) or cancer or some other life threatening condition can be the difference between whether you get treated or not. Now, there are alot of people who don't have that going for them and I've been on that side before and its scary as hell. So I guess I'll say to me, and most people that I know, Health care is just alittle more important than guns. Just my opinion though.

Second, I'm a member of both the NRA and SASS and am active in both. I do believe that we should have the right but I also personally feel that licensing is probably gonna have to happen.

Third, before you stereo type me and alot of the college grads out there as hippie democratic anti-gun radicals (sorry you already did that.. Oops, I'm too late.) let me save you some time and embarassment. I am currently in night school and I worked very hard. I have also been working full time in construction for the past 5 years because I've had to put food on the table for my family and the military wouldn't take me because of health issues.

In summary dude.. back the hell up man and think before you speak.

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BINGO!

While having food to eat, a roof over your head, health care,a job to pay for it all, freedom of religion, freedom of speech and everything else thatwe hold dear, in the long run if you don't have the Second Amendment to protect you from ALL enemies, bothforeign and domestic, you have NOTHING!

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I take offense to this statement. I went to college and I am far from left wing. I was one that could see through the BS. I have a long family history of US military service but chose to go a different path. I am basically poking fun at you here but there are definite reasons I vote Republican over Democrat. Those are: 1) Taxes, 2) Pro-Life, 3) Pro Capital Punishment, 4) Right to bear arms, 5) among many others. This doesn't mean that it fits into everyone beliefs or priorities.

I don't pick a single topic but look at the overall picture of what benefits my family and morally what helps people in need. There are many on here that are spitting out senseless banter of why they hate Democrats with no substance behind it. I believe the Democrats have a big hand in putting us in the financial position we are in today but the Republicans hands aren't clean by no means. The part I can't stand is that the media is soooo far left it is almost criminal in my eyes. There are other outlets that we can use to validate attacks, claims, etc...

The great thing here is we live in America and we have the ability to get on boards like this and voice their opinion and choose candidates that best fit our beliefs. I just wish some would do it in a more decent manner. I am ready for this campaign to be over. Hopefully we will continue to head in the RIGHT direction.

God bless!