buck shot illegal???
 

Why is buckshot for deer illegal in some areas like ohio???
Do you use a slug barrel for buck shot or a smooth field barrel?

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Smooth barrel.....

Buckshot is only effective up close and personal, such as bow ranges......

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Cuz its a very unethical load and results in alot of deer suffering because people take to many shots with it when deer aren't close enough for it to kill them. I would think you would not want to use this considering you don't like to see animals suffer. IMO buckshot shouldnt be allowed for deer anywhere. Slugs work way better for deer, close or far. Buckshot is for yotes and hog control IMO. WCL

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WCL your right!!! Im going to flag this site, this should be pulled.

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Often what is legal in one state is not legal in another...

Used properly, in a shotgun that has been pattered, buckshot is lethal out to about 40 yards, I have killed at least 30 deer with buckshot...Just like sighting in a rifle, you have to try different brands of ammo, different size shot and in a shotgun even different chokes...

Many who turn their noses up at buckshot have never tried it on game...

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lol. Now thats funny right there. WCL

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Just kidding.... Its a good debate topic. wCL

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We bought it one time just to shoot at stuff around the house and we tried it on a road killed deer that we propped up and it looks like it would have done its job. It's when hunters see that deer movin though the woods and utto they find out it was 50 yards instead of 40 and the deer has a pellet in its butt and shoulder and isnt gonna die any time soon that makes it questionable. I know I know all ammunition has its limits and people break it and results in wounded deer but whats wrong with slugs. That slug isnt gonna fail ya at 20 yards or 50 or even 100. I'd rather be limited by my sights or weapon than by the load I shoot. IMO buck shot doesnt gain you anything, it just limits your succes that much more. WCL

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Ever shot at a deer hauling azz through a cypress swamp with a pack of deer hounds on its tail???

That's when a slug will fail you....

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No but we've shot deer runnin through the grass swamp and brush thickets doin mach 80 on drives and at 40 yards or less is achip shot with any point and shoot shotgun let aloneasemi-auto 12 ga. Less than 40 yards keep swingin the gun and put it on the front of their chest. The slug will find its mark. Don't take much lead to hit em under 40 yards. Not to mention the one we shot runnin at 80 yards either. Another thing slugs do better is bustin brush.... But no we can't use dogs to run deer andIknow the buck shot has its uses so I'm not gonna agrue about that. WCL

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HMMM, 80 yard shot, deer was running???? Sounds like a good ethical shot to me!!And you are worried about wounding one with buckshot?

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I can remember when all we usedwas, 00 & Slugs for deer!:)No rifled barrels and No sabots...Many deer have been killed using 00 buck!

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When there is 4 people shootin at it that deer has little chance of goin anywhere. He was hit twice. Once in the neck and once in the heart. From the start of the shots till he died he went about 50 yards. I know when to shoot and when not to shoot, I know when we can kill the deer or not. The reason we shot at it was cuz the young kid had hit it in the neck at 40 yards and was wounded (I'm sure someone will say well if he had buck shot he would have killed, well maybe but we cant use buck shot nor would buck shot have prolly made it through the thicket he was shooting through), tail went down so we helped finish him off for the kid. Wing shooting helps alot for shootin runnin deer with the shotguns and we didnt lose any deer on the year of the 22 we shot with guns. Everyone has their opinion on ethical shots and some of those longer shots we take are ethical IMO for us cuz I am confident we can bring the deer down. WCL

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Great job my man! Heart shot at 80 yards running.....can I get a lesson? I can't seem to hit em in the heart at 20 yards broadside.

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Haha yeah I dunno just shoot alot I guess. The heart shot was pretty lucky but the bullet was in the right vacinity anyway. We shoot alot of stuff for fun at the end of the season to burn up our extra slugs from the yearlike tires rolling down hills and targets at long ranges. Shoot alot and figure out sight pictures for longer distnaces with the shotguns. We usually shoot em out to 100 yards at paper to get comfortable and figure out the sight picture even though we rarely shoot that far unless necissary. We use smooth bird barrels with our slugs as its much easier to shoot at mvoing targets when there is no iron sights to line up. I shot one little doe this year my buddy had hit in the rump and was gonna die but I didnt know that and it ran past me, not real fast but trotting and I was gonna shoot it in the chest till I saw it was tiny and figured no need to waste more meat so I went for the head neck shot and hit her right behind the head at the base of the neck at about 15 yards. We do alot of instinctive shooting which I think helps alot, like wing shooting, bowfishing (no sights or rest, just point and shoot), and last year we started tryin to shoot pheasants with the bows at my buddies cuz he raises birds and has extras every year, we got afew and missed alot but we started getting better the more we did it taking more feathers off birds and coming really close. Can't wait till we get to do it again in a month or so. I guess practice and shooting alot has made us alot better at shooting the instinctive running shots. Giveme a scoped rifle and a running deer and forget it, Ill miss about every time, standing free hand with scope andI'm right on though. Couple of the other guys are really good at runningshots with rifles though, just not me.WCL

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alright wingchaser labs and stabnslab if you want to post comments about this topic fine if not please dont. i dont want to argue with you guys anymore. lets agree to disagree. i think a deer stuck in a swing is not funny you think it is funny. alright no hard feelings. i ws in the wrong to say im gonna flag that video i didnt mean that

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is buckshot more expensive than slugs?
can you use buckshot for hogs?

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I hunt with Buckhammer slugs.

The only time I would even consider shooting a deer with buckshot is if I get attacked by a deer while duck, pheasant, goose, rabbit, or squirrel hunting.

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Buckshot is leathal! Two main things that are really negative about buckshot is a lot of people are going to try to stretch the range= lost animals! Second, it doesn't expand, so if it doesn't drop 'em on the spot, you may not have much of a blood trail if any to follow!=lost animals!
There are just too many good slugs and rifle bullets out there to chance buckshot!

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Think about it boys, you use 4/5/6 shot for squirrels/rabbits/ducks. etc...They are killed by multiple hits of shot, and killing shots are within 40 yards or so...It is the same with buckshot and deer, the multiple hits are the key...There is nothing less ethical about using buckshot for deer than using other shot for small game...The same guys that bang away at ducks at 60 yards hoping for a lucky pellet to bring it down will bang away at a deer at 60 yards hoping for the same...

The key to learning to be a hunter is learning to kill with the weapon in your hands.....

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Its illegal to have in your possession while afield during Deer Hunting Season in NY.

Not saying it won't work, I think 00 buckshot is about .32" if I remember right. Certaintly not a small chunk of lead.

Another thiing to consider is size of your deer that you are hunting. I know all deer in the south aren't small, but I think you'll agree that in many places they are fairly small compared to Deer generally in the North.

FH

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I'm confused man. I made that comment before you removed yourself from the other issue and haven't commented to you about it since then and I continued to say this was a good topic andquit withthe jokes after that comment. If you think me talking about slugs and what ever isn'ttopic relatedenough for this thread I'll remove myself.I'm done with that other topic anyway considering people piss and moan and are scared of antis taking every little thing sportsman do and thinkthey aregonna ruin our lives. To tell ya the truth I'm fairly literal and don't ever see bills getting passed to abolish guns and hunting although some changes may occur and modifications be made but everyone has their opinions. Not gonna start a debate about that here so if someone wants to comment to it start a new thread and I'll continue...... Other than that lets talk buck shot. WCL

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We shoot the bernake (missspelled I'm sure) slugs and we get them for 2 bucks a box of 5 or you can get the remington ones for like 4 bucks a box. The sabot slugs are really exspensive at up to 17 and 20 bucks a box of 5. We use bird barrels so we shoot the cheap stuff. I don't know what buck shot costs though. WCL

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all right wingchaser lets talk buckshot
so buckshot doesnt spread?

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It spreads just like any shot. Thats why it isnt real effective past 40 yards. Shot spreads and less are gonna hit those vital areas plus the shot will lose velocity the farther it goes cuz they are light compaired to slugs. All the energy is dispersed through the 9 pellets (I think thats whats in00buck) instead of all of it like in a slug.I've only shot it a couple times so maybe other guys could explainwhat kind of patterning and penetration they get with their buck shot at 40 yards. WCL

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My two cents if anyone is interested. Before I get started on my rant I'll give you a little background info. My best friend was shot by someone shooting at a running deer, he almost died and he's permanently injured from the ordeal.
For those of you who use buckshot on running deer because you think that you have a better chance of hitting him you're wrong. For buckshot to be effective the deer has to be hit with most if not all of the pellets. If you can hit him with the entire load of buckshot you would have hit him with a slug.
For everyone who thinks that buckshot can "penetrate a thicket" you should have your hunting license revoked for life. I you don't have a clear shot, DON'T SHOOT!!!!!!! I don't care if the deer has 47 points and double drop tines. Take my word for it, seeingmy best friendget shot is the worst thing that I've ever had to go through. The first rule that is taught at the hunter safety course is to know your target and beyond.
Even if used properly buckshot leaves a poor blood trail. Slugs on the other hand make a large hole and leave a great bloodtrail. I've never lost a deer that was hit with a slug.
If you hunt in anarea that only allows shotguns use slugs. If you can't afford a fancy slug gun there are other options. I have an old Marlin goose gun that I cut the barrel down to 20". I also glass bedded the receiver and mounted a scope. Out to 100 yards I'll put this gun up against any rifled barrel, sabot shooting "slug gun". With 1 ounce Winchester rifled slugs I can hold a three inch group at 100 yards. If all you have is your bird gun go buy a bunch of different types and brand of rifled slugs and find out which one shoots the best. Like I said before, if you can hit him with buckshot you can hit him with a slug.
For those of you who use buckshot properly I'm not chastising you for using it, I just believe that a lot of hunters have the wrong idea about buckshots capabilities. When I hear people talking about using it to shoot through brush or taking long shots because they have feel that they only need one pellet to kill a deer I cringe. Please hunt safely and remember that we're all out in the woods enjoying a sport that we love, our families shouldn't have to worry about us while were doing it.

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I can't see much of a comparison between shooting ducks and shooting deer. For one, rifles are illegal for waterfowl. Second, you are throwing lots of little pellets at smaller sized game, A few pellets hit, bird goes down. As for buckshot, it is illegal in many areas because it is not one of the better tools for the job. OO buck has 9 pellets at .30 dia. #3 buck has twice the pellets at .24 dia.
Except at very close range you might not hit with more than a couple of the larger pellets. So, you are shooting basicly by "pointing" rather than a true aim. Add in that buckshot is not going to expand, so you don't get much hydostatic shock value, you can hit a deer with 5 or 6 pellets, but if they hit muscle, guts, legs or even lungs much of the bleeding will be internal! The deer will certainly die, but will he die in your county or not?!?
I know I've said a lot, just to say this, "there arefar too many better options than buckshot to justify its use!"

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You made a 80 yard heart shot on a running deer with a unrifled barrel and slugs? I think the term we use around here for that is "luck".

I've patterened some buckshot loads through a few of my 12's and have found that 00 never seems to pattern well with a really tight choke. My 500 and 1100 both shoot it better with improved.

I can't say that I've ever taken a shot at a deer with buckshot...but I don't think I'd have any problems using it as a deep brush load....somewhere 50 yards would be a long shot.

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I would agree that a heart shot is luck but the fact that theslug can be placed in the shoulder region isn't. You'd be suprised how good the bird barrels will throw slugs out there to 100 yards. I hit the paper plate at 100 yards practicing befor season 3of 5 times with the other 2only a couple inches from the plate. That equals 5 dead deer if ya ask me. And at 50 yards I'll hit that plate every time. Sure some may call it luck to hit the deer runnin in the heart and I will too but to put it in the vitals and put that deer down isnt luck. Its practice and being comfortable with what you shoot. WCL

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Buck shot is not a brush bustin load at all. Those light pellets are stopped very easily by brush and won't make it anywhere near your deer. A slug on the otehr hand will bust through alot. Thats why when guys shoot rifle loads and know they may be takin shots in brushy areas they go with a much heavier gr bullet than normal. Its physics, heavier bullet is gonna go through more. WCL

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have any of you guys used hornady sst shotgun slugs? i heard they can shoot to 100 yards flat trajuectory

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You can't compare wingshooting a duck to shooting a deer. A duck has a live weight of about 5 pounds and a small deer maybe 100 pounds. That's 20 times the size yet we're using the same gun. Number 4 birdshot is approximately .13 diameter and OO buck is .32, that's only 2 1/2 times the dia.. Even if 00 buck performed on a deer equally to #4 birdshot on a duck there's still only 12 pellets in a magnum load versus approximately 300 pellets in birdshot. If the comparitive lethality were equal would anyone in there right mind duck hunt with a load that contained only 12 pellets?

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I shoot Lightfields through a Rifled 12ga Ithaca Barrel. 5" groups at 100 yds are cake. I've tried a few other loads and had good results too - the old BRI slugs would group wonderful, and I took my share of deer with them as well - but they popped right through deer (too hard) and did not expand or expend any energy inside the deer.

I would never go back to smoothbore and open sights unless I had to. - I loved my old Ithaca 37, but every now and again I'd have a really ODD hit - and couldn't chalk it up to anything but poor grouping. Still with fosters I could consistently take deer out to 75 yards MOST of the time.

FH

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i would actually rather have open sights on my slug barrel. i dont like scopes for close range but i had to get on e because the barrel had to hae one and it had no open sights on it. has anyone use brenke KO slugs? they are as cheap as remington sluggers and i wondered if they were any good?

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Those were the ones I ment before. They are cheaper than remington some places. They do very well for us but we don't shoot rifled barrels. They hit hard and don't mushroom a ton but you don't need much mushrooming with a slug as they are already huge. They hold their shape well and have great drive goin through deer. WCL

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all right let me get something straight----------a rifled barrel is a slug barrel??????? what type of slugs are best with a slug barrel? so WCL you use the same barrel for deer as you do for everything else?

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It can be confusing. There is rifled slug barrels and smooth bore slug barrels. A rifled slug barrel is just like a regular rifle. You use sabots in rifled barrel. Smooth barrels use rifled slugs, or Foster style slugs.

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can you use rifled slugs or foster style slugs in a rifled slug barrels? remington sluggers are rifled i think and i use them in my rifled slug barrel. so WCL you dont use ur shotgun field barrel? you use your smooth bore slug barrel?

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Bravo hit it. Yeah I have a rifle for sitting so the only time I use my shotgun is when I'm a driver on drives. The drivers use shotguns and the standers use rifles. I don't see buyin a rifled barrel cuz it doenst gain me anythign for how little I would use the rifled barrel so i use my smooth bird barrel with the most open choke I got plus its better for swinging and shooting when your makin drives and the deer are movingIMO cuz their is no sight to line up or scope to deal with. Just point and shoot likeI'mwing shooting......... So I guess if you want everyone to sum it up best for ya,tell us exactly what you have for a shotgun, barrel,and situations you are going to be using it in. WCL

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You are good using the rem rifled in your rifled barrel but most use sabbots when they have a rifled barrel these days cuz they are that much more acurate than regular rifled slugs. WCL