coyotes killing deer
12-17-2007, 07:47 PM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: cazenovia, NY USA
Posts: 2,973
RE: coyotes killing deer
this "rumor" comes up here every year. Usually the story has a Trail Cam on a Coyote den - and andyhere from six to dozens of fawns are brought to the pups to feed on - so the story goes. Sometimes the State Wildlife agency is involved in the story, other times its a "freind of a freind" etc.
Don't believe these storys -
Its kind of a crazy urban legend that just wont go away!
Blood on a sponge? Really! - now come on! - THATS a new one. Might work on Lazy Vampires too!
FH
Don't believe these storys -
Its kind of a crazy urban legend that just wont go away!
Blood on a sponge? Really! - now come on! - THATS a new one. Might work on Lazy Vampires too!
FH
12-17-2007, 08:46 PM
#32
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Central Wisconsin
Posts: 1,196
RE: coyotes killing deer
Wow!!! I was dragged behind a truck last night for showing a video of a deer with its antlers caught in a rope and swinging around. Then this talk of killing coyotes come up!!!! WHERE ARE ALL YOU HATERS NOW!!!!!
12-18-2007, 06:25 AM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 1,061
RE: coyotes killing deer
Sponges? Dont do it! If it does work, you will kill every fox, coon,..........And vampire in the area. Poision isnt the way to go unless youre after bugs. Get some traps and learn how to use them.
12-18-2007, 07:11 AM
#34
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 366
RE: coyotes killing deer
All part of the balance of nature. There aren't many coyotes when there isn't food. They are just as important as hunters to keep the herds from exceeding carrying capacity. They target the sick and injured deer and other animals and occasionally they will take a healthy deer. I am not too worried about them.
BUCKEYEhunter140, Lets see some of those pictures, in fact, lets see all of them so we can count the fawns. Coyotes usually do not have their den near houses, you must have had a long hose to reach that coyote den.
12-18-2007, 02:50 PM
#35
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 3,145
RE: coyotes killing deer
After yesterday, there's one less coyote to worry about in my woods. I'm sure they will take down unattended fawns if the opportunity presents itself, they are predators. They seem to be more interested in turkeys here. There's always more coyotes where turkey populations are high.
12-18-2007, 08:51 PM
#36
Join Date: Dec 2007
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RE: coyotes killing deer
There was a mother coyote killing whitetail fawnsin my area I actually caught her doing it once and also saw a doe chase her off. Deer are quite a bit bigger than coyotes, but anyways I caught hare and her pups out by a group of deerand the coyotes were grouped up needless to say all the coyotes ate lead nstead of venison that day. Dunno about the insurance thing though.
12-19-2007, 09:22 AM
#37
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
RE: coyotes killing deer
Kind of funny that people are always complaining about coyotes, but many of those same people will throw a fit if coyote hunterstheir dogs across their land or anywhere near where they are hunting.
12-19-2007, 02:23 PM
#38
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RE: coyotes killing deer
The Truth About the Coyote-Deer Risk Management Rumor
You may have heard a story that usually starts out as something a friend heard from a friend about an insurance company trying to control the deer population by releasing coyote. This is very much an urban legend, and it is not unusual for the myth to re-appear when we issue our annual news release warning drivers to be vigilant about deer collisions. There is absolutely no truth to the rumor. Please refer to the following article from the Insurance Journal that has helped quash the rumor. A link that sheds some light on the Eastern Coyote is also included.
Insurance Journal article: PA Wildlife Officials Quash Coyote-Deer Risk Management Rumor
Did you hear the one about the insurance agent and the coyote?
So have the Pennsylvania Game Commission, wildlife agencies in other states and insurers.
They all dismiss as urban legend claims that insurance companies and wildlife agencies release coyotes in hopes of reducing deer-car collision claims.
"There's a lot of people that seriously believe that the agency has been doing this,'' said Carl Graybill, director of the Pennsylvania Game Commission's bureau of information and education. "The whole thing's pretty absurd.''
While the agency doesn't track such claims, Graybill said wildlife conversation officers are occasionally questioned in the field about it.
It's illegal for anyone to release animals into the wild without a permit and the agency hasn't issued any permits to insurance companies, Graybill said. Variations substitute other predators for coyotes.
Like other rumors, this one seems to begin with someone who knows someone who knows someone who killed a coyote that has a tattoo, ear tag or collar from an insurance company, Graybill said.
Graybill said the commission has asked that such coyotes be brought in.
"No one ever comes forward with any proof that it occurred,'' Graybill said "People can be very gullible, too.''
Over the last several weeks, Erie Insurance Group has had calls about the issue.
"It's just a fallacy. It's just not true. That's just not a way that we would manage our risks,'' said spokesman Mark Dombrowski. Instead, Erie Insurance advises policyholders how to avoid deer by being alert in deer areas and using high beams when possible.
The rumor has been around for at least a half-dozen years and is in other states. The rumor came up at a conservation education summit recently in West Virginia, Graybill said.
"Many times, I've been pointedly asked that question by a number of individuals,'' said Ray Knotts, district wildlife biologist for West Virginia's Division of Natural Resource's Wildlife Resources section.
"We have never released coyotes and have no intentions of doing so,'' said Knotts, adding it's illegal to release coyotes into the wild in that state. "It's preposterous to the point of being funny, almost.''
To be sure, deer-car collisions are costly for insurers.
About 150 people are killed in deer collisions annually and collisions cause more than $1.1 billion in vehicle damage, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Last year, Erie Insurance paid out nearly $60 million for 29,000 claims filed by customers or about $2,040 per claim. Erie Insurance insures 2.4 million vehicles and deer claims account for nearly 40 percent of its comprehensive losses.
A companion rumor is that insurance companies somehow try to influence deer management practices to reduce the number deer, but Graybill and Knotts deny that, too.
Knotts said he thinks that unsuccessful hunters are simply looking for an excuse as to why they haven't bagged a deer.
"The coyote right now is just a good scapegoat,'' Knotts said.
You may have heard a story that usually starts out as something a friend heard from a friend about an insurance company trying to control the deer population by releasing coyote. This is very much an urban legend, and it is not unusual for the myth to re-appear when we issue our annual news release warning drivers to be vigilant about deer collisions. There is absolutely no truth to the rumor. Please refer to the following article from the Insurance Journal that has helped quash the rumor. A link that sheds some light on the Eastern Coyote is also included.
Insurance Journal article: PA Wildlife Officials Quash Coyote-Deer Risk Management Rumor
Did you hear the one about the insurance agent and the coyote?
So have the Pennsylvania Game Commission, wildlife agencies in other states and insurers.
They all dismiss as urban legend claims that insurance companies and wildlife agencies release coyotes in hopes of reducing deer-car collision claims.
"There's a lot of people that seriously believe that the agency has been doing this,'' said Carl Graybill, director of the Pennsylvania Game Commission's bureau of information and education. "The whole thing's pretty absurd.''
While the agency doesn't track such claims, Graybill said wildlife conversation officers are occasionally questioned in the field about it.
It's illegal for anyone to release animals into the wild without a permit and the agency hasn't issued any permits to insurance companies, Graybill said. Variations substitute other predators for coyotes.
Like other rumors, this one seems to begin with someone who knows someone who knows someone who killed a coyote that has a tattoo, ear tag or collar from an insurance company, Graybill said.
Graybill said the commission has asked that such coyotes be brought in.
"No one ever comes forward with any proof that it occurred,'' Graybill said "People can be very gullible, too.''
Over the last several weeks, Erie Insurance Group has had calls about the issue.
"It's just a fallacy. It's just not true. That's just not a way that we would manage our risks,'' said spokesman Mark Dombrowski. Instead, Erie Insurance advises policyholders how to avoid deer by being alert in deer areas and using high beams when possible.
The rumor has been around for at least a half-dozen years and is in other states. The rumor came up at a conservation education summit recently in West Virginia, Graybill said.
"Many times, I've been pointedly asked that question by a number of individuals,'' said Ray Knotts, district wildlife biologist for West Virginia's Division of Natural Resource's Wildlife Resources section.
"We have never released coyotes and have no intentions of doing so,'' said Knotts, adding it's illegal to release coyotes into the wild in that state. "It's preposterous to the point of being funny, almost.''
To be sure, deer-car collisions are costly for insurers.
About 150 people are killed in deer collisions annually and collisions cause more than $1.1 billion in vehicle damage, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Last year, Erie Insurance paid out nearly $60 million for 29,000 claims filed by customers or about $2,040 per claim. Erie Insurance insures 2.4 million vehicles and deer claims account for nearly 40 percent of its comprehensive losses.
A companion rumor is that insurance companies somehow try to influence deer management practices to reduce the number deer, but Graybill and Knotts deny that, too.
Knotts said he thinks that unsuccessful hunters are simply looking for an excuse as to why they haven't bagged a deer.
"The coyote right now is just a good scapegoat,'' Knotts said.
12-19-2007, 02:24 PM
#39
Join Date: Dec 2007
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RE: coyotes killing deer
TAG RUMOR STARTED HERE........
Game Commission stocking stories began in the late '80s after a coyote pup ear-tagged by a wildlife conservation officer was shot by a deer hunter. The pup, which was fitted with a telemetry collar and bobcat ear tag (#0026), was trapped on a Greene County farm where coyotes were killing sheep. It was hoped the pup would lead the officer to its den. Within days, however, the young coyote couldn't be located with radio gear; it apparently had shaken its telemetry collar. The coyote, minus its collar, was shot a few months later. Stories began to spread that it bore a ear tag from a western state, and that at least 25 other coyotes had been released, given the tag's number. The rumors continue.
Game Commission stocking stories began in the late '80s after a coyote pup ear-tagged by a wildlife conservation officer was shot by a deer hunter. The pup, which was fitted with a telemetry collar and bobcat ear tag (#0026), was trapped on a Greene County farm where coyotes were killing sheep. It was hoped the pup would lead the officer to its den. Within days, however, the young coyote couldn't be located with radio gear; it apparently had shaken its telemetry collar. The coyote, minus its collar, was shot a few months later. Stories began to spread that it bore a ear tag from a western state, and that at least 25 other coyotes had been released, given the tag's number. The rumors continue.
12-19-2007, 02:30 PM
#40
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 2,414
RE: coyotes killing deer
ORIGINAL: djschuett
Not so sure if the sponge deal really works from a biological perspective. The yote would instinctively chew the sponge into somewhat smaller pieces. Cellulose (the material most sponges are made of) will be partially digested, but the rest would probably pass through.
Maybe putting a sponge soaked in deer blood with some razor blades in it would work if you could get the yote to swallow the blades as well and induce some Gastrointestinal bleeding!
Personally, I'd rather shoot 'em that way I know they're down.
Not so sure if the sponge deal really works from a biological perspective. The yote would instinctively chew the sponge into somewhat smaller pieces. Cellulose (the material most sponges are made of) will be partially digested, but the rest would probably pass through.
Maybe putting a sponge soaked in deer blood with some razor blades in it would work if you could get the yote to swallow the blades as well and induce some Gastrointestinal bleeding!
Personally, I'd rather shoot 'em that way I know they're down.
Or if you used heavy fishing line with a good shark hook in the sponge the coyote would just hang there.
OK that was just uncalled for. sorry, carry on