Am I wrong here..?
 

Well i dont know if you guys remember but about a week or so ago i posted on how one of our club members may in fact be the worst hunter in the world. Well now i have put my foot in my mouth to say that somehow he stumbled onto a nice 9 pt. this past saturday. Let the story begin..

We will call this guy "Encore" (TC Encore: Pro Hunter) because he is in fact a "pro hunter". Anyway, Encore stumlbed his way onto a nice 9 pt. on saturday and somehow a shot opportunity. He shot twice, not sure where he hit (his gun hasnt been sighted in 6-7 years) and said he found some good blood so he followe the trail for about an hour until he heard a shot in the direction where the buck took off, thinkin someone had gotten his buck his reply was "I better get atleast one of those damned horns!" Anyway he got up into another one of our stands and figured the chances of finding his nice buck were gone. My brother had notified my dad and I of Enrcore's buck, and with our prior knowledge of Encore's savvy in the woods we figured to help him track. My dad picked up the blood trail Encore lost almost instantly and followed it for another 50 yards until it ended again, this time we thought for good. Well i got back there about 30 mins. later and we began tracking again. With no blood or any sign whatsoever, I picked up the trail some 100 yards down the ridge. From that point forward it were as if my dad and were leading Stevie Wonder through the woods, because Encore's lack of contributions to finding this deer. He spent the entire time lagging behind making hasteful comments toward this buck, cursing at him for not dying right away, and other just barbaric comments. Well we followed the trail down to a STEEP creek bottom where deer usually die cause they cant make up the opposite ridge. After finding a few drops in the creek bottom my dad and i both said "if this deer starts goin back up this side of the ridge we are in trouble" Sure enough we pick up blood heading up the ridge and Encores reaction was "Oh s**t, we might as well back out. My dad and i just ignored him as we wanted to find this deer (Encore said it was a nice buck, so we were anxious to find him.) After following the trail for another 30-45 minutes we took a break on top of the ridge to gather our thoughts, while dad and I gameplanned, Encore texted on his cell phone. As we topped over the ridge I saw the buck bedded down, and still alive. So my dad who was carrying his gun snuck down on him and made a fatal shot, right behind the shoulder. After examining the deer we found that Encore's shots had broken the deers right leg, and shattered the bucks jaw (ABSOLUTELY PITIFUL sight, i can understand a shot in the leg, we all miss low sometimes, but in the jaw??? come on now..) Anyway I ended up dragging the buck out of the woods for Encore and my dad and I were more excited that Encore himself. What ticks me off so much is that this is such a nice buck for our area, and he could careless. Once we did find him, he showed no emotion or excitement, it was almost as if he was saying "Oh well, we found it.." all my dad and I got for finding this deer was a generic "thanks.." And as soon as we found the deer Encore stated, I need to hurry up and leave I have to go DJ a a dance..

He obvisouly didnt deserve this buck, but he actually claims this deer as his. I look at this buck as my dad and mine's buck, not so much mine as it is my dads for making the fatal shot on him, all i did was pick up the blood trail and follow it.


Sorry this is so long, but i need to vent [:@].. any feed back is much appreciated!

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Your dad took the buck (made the ONLY fatal shot on it) so it was your dad's buck and I'd kick ole Encore off the property.

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I'm sorry guys but here is where I don't agree with the "the deer belongs to the person who drew first blood" spoke about in another thread. I applaud Rockin Chair and his father for going the extra mile in finding this "loafs" Encores deer. It should have obviously gone to Rockin Chairs father in my opinion. I say it's time to vote this Encore out and never invite him back.

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I know if the buck walked past my stand with a broken leg and I shot him it would be my deer...........but if your helping a buddy track a deer he made a bad shot on.......and it played out like it did you wouldn't have any problems handing the deer over.............I think the issue is you got a jackass that made an ill advised shot on a
good deerand yall tracked him for hours for the JA, who doesn't seem to care. In my opinion I would have wanted to keep the deer too, however since he shot the deer, and like it or not you were helping him out, I'd say the JA gets the deer. I would rather your dad get the deer too, but if it was one of your best friends you were helping you'd give him the deer. sorry, just my opinion. Do we get to see a picture of the deer?

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There is no question it is your dads deer.

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Sounds to me that Encore is not a real hunter , but a fake.If anyone that shoots a deer (any deer) is too lazy or just not interested in following a blood trail he should not be there at all.That makes us real hunters sound bad.Does this guy just hunt to be your friend or to fit in?Whatever the answer he wouldnt be hunting with me anymore and he gave up so that is not his deer.He would have gave up long ago right????????So that deer was gonna lay there another day or so and suffer and die.Encore didnt seem to care then so why care now

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I congratulate you and your dad sticking it out and finding the deer. You need to get rid of that Encore guy and keep the buck.

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Yes i will get the picture up here as soon as my laptop decides to work again. But in response to ero112, I believe he hunts now to be spiteful, because he and our club had an altercation over the offseason because he chose to not accept our management practice of only taking 8 pointers. He siad he was going to shoot any 4 ptr. he saw, and this year is the most he has hunted, ever. He is doin all this out of spite which makes me hate the fact he got a nice buck even more. Dad and I, were not helping himoutinfinding the deer. Us, being sportsmen, owed it to that nice buck to find him. Antoher thing i forgot to mention is the comments he made about the buck after we recovered it. Sorry for the cursing but he said: "This is a large son of a b***h" "I wish this f*****g deer would have died earlier so we didnt have to track it so far!!" "I was hopein he was a 10 pts. (The buck is a 9 ptr.) it must be f*****g retarted to have an odd number of points!" and several other comments that were uneducated and barbaric. Me personally, say a prayer after every deer i harvest thanking the Lord for the opportunity, and this brings a quote of Bob Zaiglin's in D&DH, something to the effect of " Every accomplished hunter has a certain devotion and respect for the animals they hunt" I believe that every hunter should portray a feeling of respect and devotion to every animal they harvest, not cuss and feel like such a tough guy..

This gets me heated the more i think about it[:@]

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here are two pictures of the buck:

http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=IMG_0277.jpg

http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=IMG_0280.jpg

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First of all I do not understand why you refer to him as a pro hunter?

I have never hunted with anyone like your friend. I honestly cannot reply from personal experiences.
One comment made was that it should still be Encore's buck because it was in fact - helping a buddy find his deer. That is something we have done over the years a few times and there is absioutely no doubt the deer will belong to the guy who initially shot.

That feeling would have gone out the window as soon as he wanted to turn back and give up looking for the deer. I would have told him;...Don't get lost on the trip back to camp" and I would have stayed with your Dad in search of that buck. Because, as you said, you are not looking for it tohelp your buddy, you owe it to the animal.

Mr. Encore is a classless, arrogant hunter that would never be welcome in my camp. Just his comments alone confirned that.

I would file this under "learning experience" and I would also shake Dad's hand inyour efforts to work togetherto help find that deer.

I tip my hat to you both!

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I can guarantee you one thing, if somebody acted like a complete essobee like he did while I was trying to help out he would have drug the deer out by himself. I think it was your dad's deer IMHO.

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buy that loser a package of targets for christmas d:)

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Maybe one good thing came out of it. Maybe he will stay at home the rest of the season and brag to his buddies how he killed this buck. What a slob that is clearly your dads deer. Kick him to the curb I would.

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Throwin a little bit extra out there, i hunt the same hunt club as rockin chair and we're pretty good buddies (brothers) ya could say...well, i couldn't come in to hunt the weekend all this went down because i was stuck at school studying for exams...well, i wake up saturday morning about 9:00 am and i text ol' encore and ask him if he has had any luck...he calls me and says "well i've got good news and bad news" and proceeds to tell me how he saw a big buck coming and "decided to shoot that son of a b****" which infuriated me in the first place...anyways, he tells me that it laid down and as soon as it got up he proceeded to take off after it to track it...well, while he was trackin it, like RC said, he heard two shots and figured it was "his" buck down and that if he saw who shot it he was "gonna walk right up to the b**** and make sure he got one of them damned hornings" (not horns folks, hornings...true story)...anyways, he told me that he had lost the blood trail and was goin out to another stand...i then told him i'd try to get in touch with the other hunt club members and let them know so they could help him track "his" buck...well, upon hearing this he got rather offended and had a bit of hostility in his tone showing that he had truly given up on the blood trail (after about 10 minutes) and was ready to head on out to another stand...then when my brother and dad get out to him, not only has he not tagged the last place where he found blood, he can't even remember where he was trackin it in the first place!!!

not sure whether RC has said anything, but throughout the entire hunting season so far we have constantly offered him tips on scent control, where we've scouted and found deer sign and just other general hunting tips that a "one-week-a-year" hunter won't know...not only has he refused our advice, he has deliberately done the exact oposite of what we suggest in many cases...maybe its out of spite, or maybe its just the inability of someone to admit that they are not the expert on a subject...who knows

anyways, i just thought i'd throw this extra info out there...thought you all might enjoy it...also, next time you get a big buck, dont score its rack...score its hornings

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wahoo..thanx for the rest of the story...that cat aint spit...cut him loose and tell him why.....ill bet sum of the club members have mixed feelings ...how bouta meeting and vote his butt out..you know, democratic like

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It is because of people like encore that i wont hunt in crouds anymore. sombodys buddy that you have to put up with. usally a bragart that only brings his ego. [:@]

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I had sort of an experience like this once before...(Very True Story) My first year hunting I went out hunting with my Brother-in-law and his father andanother friend... We went Rabbit hunting and we were walking off this patch of woods in the middle of two fields.. Now these woods had loads of briers everywhere so it was kind of hard to get through.. My Brother-In-Law and his father stayed on the wood lines while my friend and I went through the wooded mess.. Naturally the two on the wood line could walk better than us, We got out of out straight line by 2 or 3 yards from the guys on the wood line..
We were told by my Brother-In_Laws father that if we didn't stay in a complete line he was gonna shoot us and through us down over the bank...
My response was, "You better make the first shot count because that's all you are going to get" After that I have yet hunted with his father again and that was 20 years ago and never regretted it..
I would get a voters box for problems like this and take a vote to either keep him in the club or get rid of him... I am saying a voters box because that is the only fair way to vote... I say this because you might have someone that still wants him there but says he doesn't just to fit in... Use a voters box so no one knows who voted in what way...
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matters, i wish you were right, i was talking about this with my brother earlier today. the sad thing is he has already said he is comin back once late muzzleloading comes in. (He has never shot nor cleaned nor held a muzzleloader in his life) As i said before he chooses not to accept our management practices, but his eyes lit up when we said we were going to take some does this year (proving the point that he just wants to shoot something). Anyway his purpose for taking a doe is not for QDM, but to get a head for my dad's buck, for a mount. Hard to believe that a buck with its jaw obliterated wouldnt be able to make a mount! I just hope he knows that my dad's bucks nice rack will look a little awkward on a the head of a long neck, floppy eared doe! Gonna be hard to explain to his buddies why that is the case. "Because i shot my deer in its mouth." Think he'll say that not hardly. And to anyone who wonders why we call him Encore: Pro Hunter, it is pure sarcas,, just a little code word my dad brother and I use.

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This guy is unbelievable. Can't you vote him out of your club?

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Thats one performance i wouldnt let him repeat in my presence.

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RockinChair, I recall in your post that this man is a relative and it sounds like your club is more or less a family affair. I recognize it complicates things.

This is called enabling, and this person will keep acting this way as long as he is allowed to pick up a gun and roam the property. Tolerating him will not only ruin everyone elses' hunting, but hurt the sport and the game.

Here's some options:

1. Simply telling him he can't hunt with you anymore--and getting the authorities involved if necessary to keep him away. Not easy given the family connection, but there may be no alternative.

2. Disbanding your club and getting rid of the property or at least access to it. This is a nuclear option and one I'm sure you'd rather not take.

3. Putting him on probation. A group of leaders, or maybe all of you, present him a written list of conditions he has to meet or he's out.

4. If this is not an entirely family operation, perhaps you can get out of the leadership roles so someone can take care of him without the messy family problem.

5. Voter's box sounds like a good idea. It might be useful for taking this out of your hands and giving it to someone who is more free to act.

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Obviously, you guys did what real hunters would do. You didn't give up on the finding the animal and worked the bloodtrail. The deer was going to die, but your father may have never got a shot if your "buddy" hadn't wounded it first. As much as I don't want to say this, the deer belongs to the jackass. However, you and your father should take pride in doing the right thing even though others may not.

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I appreciate your advice Father Forkhorn. We actually suggested a sit down meeting with him and our grandmother ((who actually owns the land in legal documentation, but shows no interest in it until conflict arrives, and she can say "Its my land I can do whatever I want on it" those are her exact words, we actually manage the land)) who allows Encore to act this waybut she felt that we were "ganging up on him". When were actually trying to straighten all this mess out so we could all enjoy our hunting season. But it was all pushed to the side because she wanted Encore to just have the best season ever. She actually suggested that we not hunt Thanksgiving Week, and just let Encore enjoy himself back there.(She told him to shoot a 4 ptr. after we told her of our management practices, and she felt that we should just shoot whatever we want.) Mind you, as i said before we manage theland.Split the firewood, brush hog the fields, maintain the roads, and also to mention we also LIVE on the property.

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Hey Chair, sometimes its better to move on to a managed lease than to deal with family. Hunting is a passionate lifestyle for all of us, but its not worth breaking up a family. I would drop out, and find another place to hunt..........and hopefully your buddy's will come with you

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In Michigan the deer belongs to the person whom obtains the deer by fatally shooting it.

Some people just "expect" to get a buck whether they prepare and work for them or not.

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Dude first of all... You guys should of just told this guy that you and your father would look for the deer and just sent him back to the club house!!! Especially after knowing this guys track record...If this story is in fact true... Your father should of told this guy he was a F ing A hole and that there is no way on gods green earth that he was going to give this buck to him... And if he didn't like it I would of kicked his A right there on the spot... Them I would of talked to someone to get him out off the club... If this club backed this A hole... I would start looking for another club... Or do like i do and just hunt public land;)

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I agree Mr Longbeard...