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Your right, it is all for fun! If hunting was not fun I would not do it! It is fun to be outside within nature. Fun to practice and shoot alot. Fun to do it all around! Any one that says other wise the a full of poop! If it was notfun we would not do it plain and simple! Most hunters spend alot of money on hunting, me included. I can buy alot of burger at the store for $1.99 a pound, this year I bet I spent close to a grand on hunting. So if you do the math, I did not do it so I could eat, I did it for the romance and the fun of the hunt! I feel that eating deer meat is just part of the process, the thanks I have to give back to the deer, to wast it would be a shame.
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Betsy, I would take the time to contact Mr. Ted Nugent. He shares many of the same feelings that you do and would love to hear from you.
If anyone can bring this to light for you,it would be him. Best reguards!!!! ps- please feel free to drop him an e-mail.... |
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ORIGINAL: millerhunter13 your right, that post just got me heated up[:@] |
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ORIGINAL: Vabowman Betsy, if that is your real name, I really wish you had better writing skills, I could not understandmuch of what your complaint was. Too many mistakes in your in grammer Betsyand I really did not see a thesis statement. Please learn to write and express your feelings in a way that can be understood. You see Betsy, not all hunters areuneducated rednecks. I happen to be an educator, not to mention a Summa Cum Laude graduate of Va State University. That means I graduated number one in my class with a 4.0 gpa, so please do not get on here and degrade us andspeak down to us with yourEnglish elitist attitude. I know this additude well, my in-laws are English, and yes, they feel the same way you do about hunting. Too bad for them and you, however,they do love me for what it is worth. Now, I have no problem with your opinion of hunting, to each his own. I don't care what they did in England about hunting, personally I think they have much greater problems with drug addiction and health care. Please clean your own house before your try to dirty ours. |
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Ignorance really and truly pisses me off. Hunting generates more than $67 million dollars annually for Americans. I highly doubt anyone on here is on the verge of committing a murder. If so, I don't think they would be on here talking with fellow hunters about the sport we are all so very passionate about. We were blessed with such beautiful wildlife by the Good Lord, and not taking advantage of such a blessing would be completely absurd.
Also, how do you "accidentaly" run across this website? I would think the only way you could find it is by typing in "hunting" on Google. Obviously she is a frustrated and lonely human being. I guess the lack of interest in her boring, mundane argument by her family and friends was enough to force her to try and change our opinions. Long live this sport, it is the greatest in the world (along with fishing). |
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ORIGINAL: wack Dear Betsy, I've had the pleasure of taking an English man hunting here in the states and found it very interesting. He came to visit, and sounded a lot like you. He went hunting with us, that was 17 years ago. He never went back to England and has hunted every year since. He and his wife never knew such a beautiful place existed and were amazed by all the wildlife they've seen here. Why? Because of the way we manage our wildlife, and the way we respect our wildlife. From what I understand, the English have no business telling us how to manage our wild life. In England, only the filthy rich can afford to hunt what very little game you have left. The English fox hunts, talk about playing dress up, does not resemble in the least what hunting is about in the states. Just how many Englishmen, horses and dogs does it take to run down a little fox until they can't run no more? How many people does that little fox feed? yuk! Now I can not expect you to understand what it's like to hunt. It's something you have to experience for yourself and that is not possible in your country. I doubt you even have the right to own a firearm much less have a place to hunt or enough wild game to hunt. I live in Wisconsin where we have a couple million deer. Deer car collissions kill a lot of deer and also humans. We have so many that the only alturnative to hunting is letting them starve to death. How long and painfull would that be? How humane? Farmers grow crops to feed the world, left unchecked the deer and other wildlife would certainly strip the fields bare. One farm I used to hunt had 75% crop damage caused by deer and turkeys. With out hunting and the management that we have, either the farmer would be out of buisiness or, like England, the deer would be all gone. Fortunately, we're smarter than that and when the populations get to high, hunters step up to the plate and bring the numbers down to a managible number. If the deer population gets to low, we respect the animal and protect them. Wisconsin is one of 50 states.This past gun deer season hunters killed 70,000 + deer in Wisconsin. Lucky hunters who got more deer than they needed, donate the meat to local food pantries. This feeds thousands of hungry people. To be able to provide meat for my family and feed families I don't even know, puts joy in my heart. It's also good to know that if I should fall on hard times, I can depend on my hunting brothers to share in the harvest. Now if I were to take you hunting here in Wisconsin, first you would have to attend hunter's safety class. You can't get a license to hunt with out it. They teach you how to handle a gun safely, teach you how to shoot, teach you the laws and regulations. 70,000 armed hunters in the woods for 9 days and we had only 3 accidents, 2 fatalities. Apparently we know what we are doing. As for the fun in it? Families hunt together, friends hunt together, it's a celebration. The adrenalin you get when you see a deer/ take a deer is unexplainable. You have to experience it to understand. If that is 1 step away from killing humans then we have over 70,000 killers in Wisconsin and this certainly would not be a safe place to live. Wisconsin is every bit as safe of place to live as England only a lot better. That is a statement I've heard your own countryman say after living here for a few years. I can understand your disgust with some of the so called hunters, they also disgust many of us hunters. One bad apple so to speak, but as a whole, for most hunters it's not about the killing. You'd find out that those who talk like idiots also hunt like idiots, and they couldn't get close to deer if they wanted too. They're just talk and peer pressure usually straightens them out. |
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ORIGINAL: betsy_ I'm English actually, I don't know what Texas RoadHouse is, and I only buy free range/organic meat, I'm well aware hunting is often far more kind that the average slaughterhouse, hence why I don't buy from them. I have no problem with killing to eat, as I said before, but I have a problem when people dress up and view it as a game when they can't even shoot to kill; people should be aware of what they're actually doing before they buy a gun and set out hunting. I know people who go shooting, and do it well and eat their game, as many here seem to, and thats great; but I also know people who can't manage to hit to kill and it's honestly disgusting, and there seemed to be a fare amount of people on this website like that as well. You'd really get some respect from me if you were as, or should be even more appalled with abortion. If your not your more closer to killing another human being than I as a hunter am in my book. You've already declared oneclass of people worthless. Taking the leap to including others is a lot shorter for you than me. I am also one hunter who teaches others that pointing a firearm at anyone in a hunting situation, isenoughto cause a person to rethink ever holding one again.We have strict rules here that are taught to almost everyone who holds a license in the safe operation of a firearm. It's understandable that you wouldn't know what led's up to the act of killing the animal, nor what comes after that encompasses our "fun". Fun is just a term we use that falls far short. Kind of like saying the guy who walked on the moon was just having fun. It's a huge accomplishment. |
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I was going to put forth the effort and time that many of you have and than I just thought the heck with it! We all know the the vast majority of hunters are fine people and good citizens.We all know that almost all of us make every effort possible to be well practiced with our weapon of choice so that we make quick efficient kills.
Trying to have someone understand something that they have no cultural reference to is pointless.I am sure if she was openminded enough to meet any of us personally and come to our homes she would have a different opinion as to who we are! If she were american and looking to influence an anti hunting initiative I would be all over this! If she wants to post sincere questions without a preconceived opinion and without being insulting toany of us I will make every effort to provide responses. |
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Betsy you mention that we look silly to the rest of the world getting dress up in our little army outfits. What about that Royal guardsman that wears that big fuzzy hat, talk about silly looking. Next time I go out hunting I won't wear my little army outfit, I'll go butt naked. I personally think you are an idiot, you come to this forum and no nothing about hunting but you can tell us that we are wrong. Last this is nothing about hunting but if it wasn't for the Americans you would be speaking German today.
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there are people out the that go to a high fence op and pay a bunch of money just to kill something allow must of us are not that way
ORIGINAL: tFOX ORIGINAL: betsy_ I'm English actually, I don't know what Texas RoadHouse is, and I only buy free range/organic meat, I'm well aware hunting is often far more kind that the average slaughterhouse, hence why I don't buy from them. I have no problem with killing to eat, as I said before, but I have a problem when people dress up and view it as a game when they can't even shoot to kill; people should be aware of what they're actually doing before they buy a gun and set out hunting. I know people who go shooting, and do it well and eat their game, as many here seem to, and thats great; but I also know people who can't manage to hit to kill and it's honestly disgusting, and there seemed to be a fare amount of people on this website like that as well. It isn't killing for fun,it is hunting for fun,there is a HUGE difference.The kill is the end of the hunt but the enjoyment comes in the pursuit.It is a chessmatch that the animal wins 99% of the time.That is what the fun is. Even the so called free range"organic" meat has to be killed and they have no chance of survival.The animals we hunt have a better chance of survival than being killed.That is the fun and the rush we feel.It is the pursuit and there is an adrenaline rush when the hunt is succesful. Hang around here for a while,you might just start to understand it. |
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter There seem to be quite a few people even unable to kill the animals they set out to, dd |
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She's never coming back.
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really fellas I didn't read that she was bashing us just the ones who think hunting is fun, i.e. me. She also was saying something about people who aren't proficient with there weapons of choice, and there are some when you read some of the posts. I am not sticking up for her but she had some good point in what she wrote and some not so good. As for your postVirginia grammer is spelled grammar.
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I don't care what she thinks. Not worth arguing with. No matter how you word it you won't change her opinion so why even try?
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ORIGINAL: iowabob85 really fellas I didn't read that she was bashing us just the ones who think hunting is fun, i.e. me. She also was saying something about people who aren't proficient with there weapons of choice, and there are some when you read some of the posts. I am not sticking up for her but she had some good point in what she wrote and some not so good. As for your postVirginia grammer is spelled grammar. |
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Usually posters like that are anithunters in disguise who come here to inflame everyone so they can take a few select quotes back to their own forums. People don't come to hunting.et and register "accidentially"... I see more antis on this site then any other and for some reason the mods here usually let them stick around:eek: Replying to posts like "Betsys" is usually the wrong thing to do.
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Yeh iowabo, I know, it was late and dark, I did not feel like proofing it!! One mistake ain't bad!!
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ORIGINAL: iowabob85 really fellas I didn't read that she was bashing us just the ones who think hunting is fun, i.e. me. She also was saying something about people who aren't proficient with there weapons of choice, and there are some when you read some of the posts. I am not sticking up for her but she had some good point in what she wrote and some not so good. As for your postVirginia grammer is spelled grammar. |
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Welcome!!
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Find me one post on this site where someone talks about killing a deer for the simple purpose of killing it with no intent on eating the meat. Just one, and it has to be a serious one, not one were someone is joking about it.
I don't know of one single person that shoots deer just to kill them and let them lay. Don't compare fox hunting in england to big game hunting in America, there are no comparisons. When you can back up your statements I will take you seriously. And I am not going to justify it because it is legal. And if you are a Christian then as stated God put them here to do as we wish with them. Paul |
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DO US ALL A FAVOR AND FORGET YOU EVER VISITED THIS SITE.
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Good response Paul.
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I don't think I've ever read a post saying killing is fun. I've never heard of a person going out hunting with the goal of hurting animals. A person who can shoot bullseyes on a paper target finds that making a perfect shot on a live animal is much more difficult. I do not think a good person like Betsy could possibly understand why that is because she has never experience buck fever.
Betsy, it's kind of like driving a car and having sex at the same time. You might be a great driver otherwise, but add the sex and the first time you may end up in the ditch and wreck your car. The next time you try, you know what could happen, so you park the car before you have sex. Buck fever is the orgasm of hunting. It's a rush and impossible to control. The rush can be triggered by just the snap of a twig, the sound of movement in the woods, even if it turns out to be just a squirrel. Your mind says it's a deer, your pulse goes way up, you start to breath heavily, your heart feels like it's pumping so hard that you swear it can be heard from a mile away. It's called buck fever and is why hunting, like sex is so addicting. It's why a hunter will stand in a tree stand in sub zero temperatures for hours at a time. You find youself as relaxed as a person can get enjoying all the beauty and wild life that mother nature provides and in an instant it can go from completely relaxed to an orgasm that you were not expecting. With all that exitement, bad shots happen just like car wrecks. Wounding an animal feels 100 times worse that wrecking your car so you do everything possible to avoid it. Most deer gun hunting is done with friends and relatives and we have a law that allows for party hunting. This means I can shoot and fill another hunters tag as long as that hunter is within voice range of me. If say my brother shoots a deer and makes a bad shot and I'm close by, I can finish the job with out waisting my tag. If I see a wounded deer and I'm not within earshot of who ever shot it, it's my moral duty as a hunter to finish the job anyways and tag the deer myself. There are very few deer that get wounded and left in the woods to suffer. Think about it, 70,000 hunters in Wisconsin and Wisconsin is only 1 of 50 states. On this website, we have hunters all around the world. Leaving a wounded animal in the woods is so rare and feels so bad that 'most" of the time it happens it ends up in the forums. So you may have read a few posts of bad hunts/hunters that actually represent less than 1% of all the hunters. We don't tend to right much about every day average hunting. If you are getting it done, you don't need to ask questions in hunting forums. Also keep in mind that many who post are children. You can take hunter safty classes at age 11 here, and hunt at age 12. Other states start out even younger. Those of us who are older, are here to help the young ones become responsible ethical hunters. Keep reading post and you'll see that peer pressure is applied to those yahoos who need to be put into place so they don't ruin hunting for our kids and grandkids. I won't say wounded deer are never left in the woods, but when they are they do not go to waist. Either they recover quickly or the end up feeding many other animals that have to eat too like bears,wolves,coyote,fox,racoons,possum,lions,fisch ers,bobcats,hawks,eagles,vultures,owls and the list goes on and on. All animals that we as hunters enjoy watching while in the woods and none of which would be hear if we didn't do a good job of managing our wild life and land. Wouldn't it be cool if England had all these animals in your back yards? They were all there at one time a long time ago. If you think the way we kill animals is cruel, you should see how it's done in nature. I've seen coyote's eat a mature, healthy, in it's prime 10 point buck alive, they took 1 bite at a time chasing him nonstop for 3 days and nights until he couldn't run no more. The coyote pack work as a team, 3 or 4 chase until they're tired then 3 or 4 more take over while the others rest up for the next turn. Kind of like English fox hunting. There were over 15 coyote in this pack and all I had was a bow. I couldn't help him. If I or the other hunters who saw this take place could have, we would have ended it much faster for the buck. Only after comparing with the neighbors what and when we saw it, did we realize the buck lasted 3 days and nights. My dear Betsy we are not that much different. We do hear what you are saying and we can see the goodness in your heart. No, people shouldn't go into the woods with a firearm they've never shot and try killing a deer or anything else with it. It happens, and we don't like it, one won't have many friends here if that were the case. More often than not, it's buck fever that causes missing or wounding an animal or just dumb luck like a twig, or unexpected movement of the target animal. We are not serial killers or in training for killing humans. Our counties are very different. Before you condem our way of life I would invite you over to see 1st hand just what hunting in this country is really all about, but you would have to leave your sterril safe environment behind and take a chance. You don't know what living is until you go one on one with nature. Be carefull though, because once you experiece it, you won't want to go back to England. This country was started with the idea of fixing everything that was wrong with England. Your country wants you to believe that we are a bunch of serial killers and savages and don't let you own firearms because they don't want you to be able to do what we did 231 years ago. |
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Dang, ya'll run her off before everybody got a chance to playwith her. I wanted to ask her how they killed a free ranging cow.
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ORIGINAL: betsy_ I've ended up on this website by mistake, and I just couldn't stop reading and looking at everything up here, its horrible. First of all, I'd like to say that I do eat meat, and fair enough for the ones here who are killing animals to eat; it's exactly the same as buying the meat from a shop. dd |
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I'm an ethical deer hunter.
Now, when it comes to hogs and coyotesit's about eradication, not hunting, but I don't think it makes me a bad person and sleep just fine at night. |
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Betsy,
Don't you have a Pro-Abortion rally to go to rather than stir up a bunch of poor olegunslinging, 4 wheel driving, beer drinking rednecks like myself? You obviously have never spent any time in the woods doing any kind of outdoor activities. I am sorry thatthis is your impression of ushunters.Just out killing for fun, not eating the meat we harvest. I am off to the woods to harvest another tasty deer. |
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pretty sure she is gone and never coming back so I would let this one go!
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If Betsy were to "Accidently" (and I use that word very loosely) go to the NWTF site and see how much Hunters do to save and enhance the wild Turkeys in North America she may change her attitude about Hunters or go to a Duck Hunting site to see how the Hunters there improve marsh lands or feeding area's to help with all the different species of ducks she may see how Hunters are helping all types of Wildlife across America!Deer Hunters grow food plots and improve their ground for better habitat for Deer,Quail,Turkeys and all types of Game and they donate any of their extra Venison to help feed the poor and needy!I am very proud to be a Hunter and I'm sure Betsy would really be shocked to know that some of us teach our Son's and Daughters about the Ethics of hunting and how to shoot a gun! ;)
Severalpeople onhere say to just let it go and ignore someone that writes something bad about us Hunters,I say stand up forwhat you believe in and let people know you will continue to do what you believe in or they will win the argument and you will eventually loose your rights to Hunt!I commend several replies from fellow Hunters on here....you Guys and Gal's make me proud to be associated with you here at HuntingNet.com. |
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Back in the 1940s my dad took a little trip over to Europe...Got to tour England, France, Sicily, Italy, Germany and North Africa....He received the Purple Heart twice from that conflict...Many was the time when he took me hunting that he told me he was glad he had learned the hunting and shooting skills....Most of the guys that didn't, did not come back....Seems some Europeans have forgotten his services...
It is hard for people in other countries to understand our freedoms...My family owns 3 farms, over 850 acres....How many people in England own that much land??? Better yet, how many own the land and the guns and have the freedom to hunt them... What this lady has done, is a favor to all of us....Read her post carefully.... Now you may be able to see what is so special about living in this country... We need to appreciate the sacrafices given for us to have these freedoms... So we don't have the same "opinion" as "Betsy"....She has no concept of what it is like to have the freedom to choose that we do.... Next year is election year....Choose your candidates carefully..... |
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If you guys ever get a chance to take an English person hunting, do it. You will definitely be entertained, I never laughed so much in deeer camp. The gentleman I took tells a story about when he 1st got off the plane in LA and wanted a ciggarette. They call sigs "fags".
"Where can I find a fag?" "Try Sanfransico!" ""I need a bloody fag! How much for a bloody fag?" A cross dresser approached him, "shhhh, meet me in the mens room over there." "I wan't a bloody fag, don't need to go to the head." "Oh big boy, once you get head from this fag, you'll never go back. I promise!" His wife grabs his hand and pulls him away from the cross dresser, whispers in his ear," That's a man in a dress, he thinks you're trying to buy sex! He thinks you're gay!" "O,.....O MY.,,,,That's just bloody sick!" As they walked away, he took one last look at the cross dresser and the cross dressers blows him a kiss with a big smile and says,"Welcome to America! Where are ya staying, I'll call you." |
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troll!!!!!!!
i've seen this on other forums before!! ban her now or she will keep posting and attacking us. |
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I actually dress rather fashionably to go hunting, none of that drab camo nonsense. I'm insulted[:@]
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"betsy" thats what i call the ole 270. and trust me..betsy dont miss. now im not sure but from what ive gatherd from your 2 post, id say your a hippie. im sure you also dont like my 8mpg mustang that blows out smoke or my lifted toyota that tracks mud all over the city highways when i go to walmart to buy more ammo and facepaint. your comments are low, the only thing i can agree with you on is killing and thats it. everybody i know ALWAYS gets all the meat off and some donate the meat. im sorry if you dont like it, get over it, deal with it and dont cry too long when when a fat ole doe takes off the front end of your volkswagon passet or your hypird 2 times a year.
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I love how the anti hunters never take into effect how much the animal population would suffer if we baned hunting.
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You're only one step away from killing a human when you behave in the way some of the people on this site seem to be. |
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ORIGINAL: wahoohunter Betsy, Unfortunately the mistakes of a few have seemed to ruined your opinion of hunters all together. I'd say 99% of the people on this site become, as I do, sick in the stomach to think of a wounded deer. In my opinion, if you're not 110% confident in your ability to make the shot, and if you have not practiced in order to achieve this confidence, then you have no business in the woods with a loaded firearm. And, I'm confident that most people agree with me on that. As far as lashing out and making statements such as "if you're going to be so childish" and all that...you seem to have no problem giving the hunting community your opinion, but you seem awfully worried of the responses you may get ( ex. "before you get all angry"), so who really is being the childish one here? As far as her (I won't say "Your" because I have no doubt she'll never be back to this site) attitude and comments about the actions, tactics, dress and mental state of hunters, I wonder what person in her life hurt her by hunting, or what other personal experience she had with it. When someone speaks so vigorously about something they obviously have no true experience with, it tells me they were hurt by someone who partook of the activity, or that they avoid actually experiencing any activity, so they can sit back and criticize those who do it. I'm sure she has someexpertise on every activity she has never tried, and how all its participants are idiots. What a sadexistence that needs to yell at strangers for doing no different than every other animal on earth. |
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shes just a hippie
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"shes just a hippie"
HELL NO, she's no hippy, hippies are smarter than that. I'm a hippy and have a lot of hippy friends that hunt too.lol She just comes from a country that doesn't know any better. I would say she's an animal rights activist simular to those damn PETA scumbags. Maybe if she smoked a little weed she wouldn't be so uptight! Todays hippies are more about human rights, renewable energy sources, renewable food sources, renewable clothing sources. Getting potheads out of prisons so there's room for real criminals like cocain dealers, crackheads and sexual predators. We use words like decriminalization, leagalization, and medical marjuana. Please dont get hippies and animal rights activists confused, because a lot of hippies are hunters too. BTW,There is nothing better for a case of the munchies than a roll of venison sausage, crackers and cheese.:D The thing about hippies is we tend to do more thinking than doing.lol That is not always a bad thing, more people should slow down and think before they act, Hippies have never hurt anybody, animal rights activists stoop to terrorists tactics more often than not. Big difference. |
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ORIGINAL: betsy_ I've ended up on this website by mistake, and I just couldn't stop reading and looking at everything up here, its horrible. First of all, I'd like to say that I do eat meat, and fair enough for the ones here who are killing animals to eat; it's exactly the same as buying the meat from a shop. However, those of you who are doing this as some kind of fun activity, I have to say there is something not quite right with you. To think that killing something else is an entertaining thing to do cannot be seen as a particually sane activity, and is really just sadistic. You're only one step away from killing a human when you behave in the way some of the people on this site seem to be. There seem to be quite a few people even unable to kill the animals they set out to, (see the "rotten deer?"), which has sickened me even more. If you not even capable of hunting properly do not both at all. If you quite obvious cannot even aim a gun with any level of skill you are not only killing animals for some kind of twisted sport, but are also effectively torturing the animals. Make sure to at least kill them properly if you must do it, you shouldn't be caring about whether or not you can eat their meat, you should be thinking about how that animal will have wondered about dying for hours of even days before you found its body. Before you all get really angry, and say you've heard this argument all before, and I'm wrong, please consider this. There's a reason fox hunting was banned in England, this sort of behavious is effectively just killing for enjoyment; go ahead, hunt for meat, but don't do it for fun. The second you cross that barrier, you have to realize there is something just plain sick about your activities. So next time you go play dress-up, in your cute little army outfits, think about how stupid you seem to the rest of the world, behaving like little children with a shiny new game. Oh, and please, if you're going to be so childish, getting all the pretty clothes and guns and all those extra special toys, at least make sure you can shoot a gun, so many of you seem in capable of even holding one straight. |
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