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was sitting on the firebreak of a field when 5 does came my way. They walked right under my stand and I decided to take the last on in the line. She stopped and I had to make a shot looking right down on her. Well, I hit that deer and she went running off and the others scattered into the field. I thought I had missed the first one so I picked out another one and shot her too. She went right down so I assumed I had got a clean kill of her. I climbed down and decided to go get a bite to eat while before tracking them. When I went back to get my deer I saw that I had indeed hit the first one in the gut. I went to the second one I shot because I knew it was down. Well as I got to her I saw that she was still breathing and very much alive. I had broke her spine. I have hunted a long time and never seen a deer in that sort of shape. She was trying to move but just couldn't get up. It really made me feel bad. I decided to go back to my truck and get a gun to finish her instead of cutting her throat.

I just feel bad to have let her suffer that long :(

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Chris,

What you have admitted is difficult for many to offer a response.

But, I will offer you my thoughts as I would my own son. At this moment you are feeling saddened by your actions. You should be! Instead of waiting for the Stag to follow you chose a doe. You then compounded the error by not following her. You took a second shot because of emotion or greed.

Instead of pre-scouting for the direction of a blood trail you left to fill your stomach. When you did find the wounded animal you did not dispatch her but, left her to suffer while you conveniently walked back to your vehicle for a weapon you should have already had. Son, you screwed up.

It’s over, let this be a hard earned lesson and become a better hunter. Hunting is not for the killing, but, for the rewards that nature provides. Get yourself over to the shooting range and learn to place each bullet. While there discuss ethical values with other hunters. You have learned to hunt now learn the values of hunting. When you do this you will undoubtedly become a noble hunter.

Sermon over, John

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>You took a second shot because of emotion or greed.
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I took a second shot because I was sure I missed the first deer. I assumed I had a clean shot on the second deer the way it fell right down. I was gonna leave her to die off so I wouldn't spook her anymore and make her run off(at the time I didn't know I had just hit her in the spine). I was sure I missed the first one because of the angle I tried to shoot(straight down)

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huh? It dropped where I shot it.

There wasn't gonna be a buck behind it because have hardly any where I hunt and we are trying to get rid of the many, many does we have.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>When you did find the wounded animal you did not dispatch her but, left her to suffer while you conveniently walked back to your vehicle for a weapon you should have already had. Son, you screwed up.
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My truck was right behind me so its not like she suffered for much longer

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I don't understand what ethical values you are talking about? I

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&quot;I was sure I missed the first one because of the angle I tried to shoot(straight down)&quot;

Lesson one: Don't ever assume anything. You should have gotten down and confirmed the miss before ever even thinking of a second shot.

Lesson two: Don't take low percentage shots i.e. shots through brush, straight down shots, shots at bad angles, facing shots etc.

Lesson three: Get your ass to the range and learn to shoot and stop trying to justify your mistakes. Learn from them and don't repeat them.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Lesson one: Don't ever assume anything. You should have gotten down and confirmed the miss before ever even thinking of a second shot.

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So I should have gotten down checked to see if I hit the first deer and then climbed back up in the tree and shoot the other deer(which would very likely not still be there)

Did either of you even read my first post?

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You bet you should have gotten down and checked. That is part of your responsibility to the animal as an ethical hunter. If the other deer ran off then tough, but at least you would have known you had one to track. BTW, I did read your first post, and your second, and your third, problem is you are so busy trying to defend your actions which were pure stupidity and inexperience that you aren't going to learn from them. We have all done stupid things, but most of us bite the bullet, take the kick in the pants and learn. You might figure out one of these days that it is about the hunt, not the kill.



Edited by - frizzellr on 11/24/2002 15:54:35

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although i do agree that what he did what wrong in some ways, i think that a lot of the people here would have done the same thing under those circumstances. he was really sure that he had completely missed, and there were still a good number of deer in range sitting around.
now i do agree with one thing that was said. if u gutshot a deer and then spined one, all prolly within 20 yds or less, you do need some more practice.

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yes you should have gotten out of your stand to check for blood. just because a deer runs off doesnt mean it wasnt hit. my brother double lunged a doe at 12yards that ran 300 yards after ward. he shot her with a 300gr hollowpoint over 100gr of BP, which packs a wallop at a range like that and she ran off.
always look first. there will be other deer.

propmahn
save the world, reload your brass

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Chirs,

I read your post and I am truly, sorry. At the least you felt for the deer and it's suffering.

However, I read what, Jsmart, had to say. It is said with harshness but I completely understand his and the others valid points, and being stern helps get it through.

Your not the first one to make a bad shot or misiterpited a shot. I have too shot at deer, and thought I totally missed them. At the same time I still took the time to DOUBLE check.

I did in fact take the deer, hitting it in the lungs. Most of all have in some way or shape had our own short comings.

You live and learn. Listen to the good advise that others have to offer.

Good luck!:)

KEEP HUNTING THE GREAT OUTDOORS & GOD ALIVE, PASS IT ON!

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&quot;Did either of you even read my first post?&quot; Yes, Chris I did read your first post. That is why I responded to your message.

&quot;was sitting on the firebreak of a field when 5 does came my way. Normally, the Does run before the Bucks.&quot; During rut the Bucks will be behind Does to warn him in the event of danger.

&quot;They walked right under my stand and I decided to take the last on in the line. She stopped and I had to make a shot looking right down on her.&quot; You should never have taken the shot, but, waited until it was a proper time to pull the trigger.

Well, I hit that deer and she went running off and the others scattered into the field.&quot; When they separated leaving one alone, in the wake of your shot, you should realized that you had hit her.

I thought I had missed the first one so I picked out another one and shot her too.&quot; At this point you had already reloaded anticipating another shot. You took that shot at running deer.

She went right down so I assumed I had got a clean kill of her. I climbed down and decided to go get a bite to eat while before tracking them. When I went back to get my deer I saw that I had indeed hit the first one in the gut. I went to the second one I shot because I knew it was down. Well as I got to her I saw that she was still breathing and very much alive. I had broke her spine. I have hunted a long time and never seen a deer in that sort of shape. She was trying to move but just couldn't get up. It really made me feel bad. I decided to go back to my truck and get a gun to finish her instead of cutting her throat.&quot; I already spoke of this.

Chris, I’m sorry to have hurt your feelings but, you need to rethink your attitude. No one is trying to hurt you. The responses you receive are from your friends; for your benefit and the well-being of the hunting community. We have all been through similar circumstances at one point or another. Be thankful that you have so many comrade in arms wanting to help. John
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If I were you I would make sure my rifle was sighted in just in case. I had no idea a straight down shot was that tricky, I've made a few and the deer drop stone dead.


On the light side, a death in a few hours/minutes whatever is still alot faster than the way the deer would die naturaly by old age, a car, or sickness. It is rare someone comes to this board with this kind of honesty telling it just how it was. And I'm glad you did. Now because of you HUNDREDS of people can learn from this experience.I'm not going to chew you out for this, others here will have no problem with that. I don't disagree with you hunting does, it is an important part of whitetail manegment. What I do diagree with was that you saw one deer go down in it's tracks, why didn't you go tag it when you got out of your stand? The deer wouldn't have suffered as much, you could have finished her right then.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of gun were you shooting?

I'm sure if you will do things different from now on. The meat from that one gut shot doe is ruined, the deer died mostly in vein. Pick your shots better in the future, we owe it to the deer.

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

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This is what I am trying to say

I saw the blood from the first deer I shot after I got down. I have always been told to give the deer time to die before chasing after them. So I went to get something to eat right quick.

I left the second deer where it was b/c I assumed it was dead from falling straight down after the shot and I didn't want to go into the field and spook the first deer, making it run further

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Chris I think your biggest mistake was posting what happened on here. We seem to have alot of perfect people here on these forums who have never done anything wrong in their lives. Sorry about your misfortune, chalk it up to a lesson learned.

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you're probably right

I'm done with hunting message boards, I guess I was wrong when I thought it would be like talking to my hunting buddies over the camp fire

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Chris your post has been read over a hundred times and only five or six posted to censure you and that is enough to make you give up on everyone else? I will admit some get over zealous or self righteous in thier posts but they all mean well. Stick around were really not that bad . Like my old boss used to say &quot;show me a man thats never made a mistake and I'll show you a liar ,or someone who has never done anything . We all make mistakes .Halcon.

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Im not gonna rag you and tell you how wrong things played out, i think you realize that already...

but i have a few observations...

were you using a gun or a bow? i couldnt tell (im gonna assume you had a gun, cause i've never heard of a bow breakin a spine). Either way, If you had just waited on the first doe you woulda been fine. Why take the bad shot and risk loosing her? You shouldn't have expected the second deer to still be there after the first shot anyways, so you should make the first doe count. If after you had first deer down, and another one was still hangin round, then have at it. Oh, and take your gun with you when you're lookin for them, if you happen upon them and they are not totally dead then you can end it quickly, or if you spook them, then maybe you can take another shot.

Don't let them tell you that its bad to take does, its not, plus they taste just as yummy as the bucks do.

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First things first-- Chris, jsmart, huntman, welcome tothe board. Always good to see new faces.

Secondly-- Chris, I am sorry that this unfortunate incident happened to you, but I am sure that you will learn from it. Also I am glad that you were able to retrieve both deer. Being new to this board, I would like to explain something to you. Your honesty is truely a remarkable trait, so Please do not let what is said to your post cause you to refrain from being so. When you come to this board and post of an incident, such as this. There will be those that will respond with anger and brash comments. And most all of them at some time or another have done something that would have brought similar responces, if they had told the tale of it. They either, know of no other way to be or feel that this is the only way to get a point across. It is all in your upbringing. I, personally do not feel this way and will refrain from pointing any fingers. Please do not let what is said here cause you to leave or not post here. Even the brash commenting folks are, in the only way they know how, trying to help. We would love to hear more of your stories around our campfire...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

The best of luck in all your hunting endeavors!!!

God Bless,
Dave

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I get a little tired of guys posting their stories on here of how they messed up, then some guys try to give them some advice, and the original poster gets defensive. Now, I do realize that there are a few guys on here that claim to be perfect and will tell you they have never made a mistake, and choose to bash rather than simply offer what could have been done differently. But in this case, no one has claimed to be perfect, and no one slammed chris. Jsmart simply tried to give him some advice, and he did not belittle him in any way. (Although he made it seem like taking a doe was a mistake, which I don't agree with) How do you think most of these guys on here that give advice have learned to give advice like that?? From personal experience possibly?? Do you guys that get on here and post your mistakes, want everyone who offers advice to send you a deer hunting resume of their mistakes also?
If someone makes a mistake, and that person has no idea they made a mistake, then how will they every find out unless someones tries to tell them? Again, there is a right way and a wrong way to give advice. I just don't see a reason here for chris to start defending his actions. Chris, I don't think you screwed up when you gave the second deer time to expire. Most would have done the same, including myself. The biggest mistake I see is assuming you missed the first deer. You said you were sure, well there is no possible way to be sure if you didn't get down and look for sign. You said you have been deer hunting for a long time, but yet you made a rookie mistake by assuming. You probably learned your lesson without even posting on here. If so, then there is really no need to post it here is there?
I'm not perfect, and i've made my share of mistakes. Somtimes i've learned to correct those mistakes on my own, and many others i've learned to correct them because someone else gave me advice from a different perspective. A perspective that I never would have known had they not told me about it. I rarely reply to these type of posts, but there have been so many that I couldn't stand it any longer. Some people here are great with advice, and some prefer to bash. If you can't take both and throw out the bad, then don't post it. Just don't assume that everyone is going to give you a pity story when you post how you screwed up. My only questions are: 1) What happened to the gut shot deer? Did you recover it also? 2) Are you allowed more than one antlerless deer?

--I live in my own little world. But it's OK . . . they know me
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I just have a funny feeling about this...

I wouldn't have jumped on you. First I would have congratulated you, becuase you do have to deer at home now, not rotting out in the bush because you couldn't find it. As long as the deer died and you were able to find it, you did your job right? Sure, some of you will say &quot;You have to put it out humanly, and quick and wait for the perfect shot, etc&quot; But thee are SOOOOOO many factors in hunting that nothing is granted... a little twig, wind, elevation, BUCK FEVER(on does too, don't fool yourself), pulling the gun a little when you squeeze the trigger. You want my story? I powdered it up a bit earlier, but in this light here's mine.

We saw a buck chase a few does into a bush. So me and my dad set up a drive, I waited on a treeline so I could see the small bluff he ran into. Dad pushed out the 3 does first and my heart pounded like you wouldn't beieve. Then about a minute later the buck came out. Full tilt, broadside. I had about 5 secs to take the shot. I made up my mind &quot;I'm taking him&quot;.I lead him by about 3 feet and pulled the trigger, He fell and started kicking in the air. I thought he was down. Then he got to his front legs and tried moving like that, by crawling on his front legs. I was shaking like a leaf when I fired my next shot. Snow and dust EVERYWHERE! clean miss. Then I got a better rest and took one more, (he was facing me now, on the ground up on his front legs) This one dropped him to the ground and he didn't move.

Turns out my first one hit way back and high, breaking his spine (that's why he couldn't use his back legs) and then my third shot entered the riight side of his neck and exited the left side just behind his back leg.

Was it a perfect shot? hell no. I had 5 secs to take the first one. I was shaking, my heart was pounding SO hard. My first running shot, My first shot EVER at game. Odds aren't that great are they? But he was out in less thn a minute and a half.

That's my story of my first buck. I don't hunt in a stand or ground blind. We see a deer go into a bush, we push it out. We see many deer, and we both got deer this year using this tactic.

My point? People hunt MANY ways and just because you don't like it doesn't mean you can take away their hunting rights. (Exaggerateed for all you who are gonna jump on that one) I think he did the right thing. He was able to take 2 deer, the first one was right underneath him. He saw the bloodtrail and let it expire. What's wrong with that? Then he went for lunch...to let it expire! He shot the second one and it dropped. He left to let them expire, so he wouldn't have to chase them cross country. He came back to the one that droped and in the same position. Got out of his truck and finnaly saw that it was still alve. He walked a few steps to his truck to get the rifle...Nothing wrong with that.

Withthat taken care of...I have one question for chris, and I mighted missed it... But did you recover the first deer that was gutshot?

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Jsmart,Who cares if he shot a doe.We need to kill alot more does the herd is out of whack.It's not an error to shoot does it good management.Do you go off on your son before knowing all the facts too?

So what's better to shoot a mature doe or a 4 Pt?

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Wrong! The bucks are behind the does because the are trailing them to breed them.During the rut is about the only time the bucks aren't overly worried about their safety.

Chris,Did you find the first one you shot? If not why not? Are you shooting open sites or a scoped gun?


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So what happened to the 1st deer that you gut shot? Did you go and find her? That may be the most important question here.

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In Connecticut we get 2 doe tags ie a doe or buck tag and a doe only tag. Many of my friends and I hunt the early seasons for meat so dropping two does at once out of a herd is quite common. Last year my hunting partner dropped a doe and sat on it in sight and 1/2 hour later a buck walked up to to take a sniff Bang hes dead to. In fact taking a doubly is considered good hunting here!!
Chris if you found the first one good . sounds like lots of sweet meet in the fridge. And whats with an implication from someone that it is wasted meat because it was gut shot. Gut shot deer are fine to eat except for a small portion that needs trimming.

One Shot One Kill Striper Phil

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Also in Connecticut bow hunters can take 2 does and 2 &quot;any deer&quot; during bow season.

As for my thoughts on the post, well the thought of a wounded animal just lying there not knowing what happened is very unpleasant. We all know this can happen. IMO the worst outcome would have been a gut shot animal that was never found.

I can also relate to his situtation because I had 2 does come in on me two weeks ago while bowhunting. I took the closest one and the 2nd doe circled back. I never had a high precentage shot so I held back. Would I have held back if I thought I missed the first? Probably, but I can't say for certain.

I will be hunting via shotgun in Massachusetts in early September and I got a new Savage 210 slug gun just to make sure I have the most accurate shotgun available so I can minimize wounding shots, but that's just me.

Learn from you mistake and practice.

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I am an ethics hound...known in camp as &quot;The Preacher&quot;. I hate to see suffering of any animal, but I also know it is in part and parcel part of the spot. To me the only question I had was &quot;Legal&quot; 2 does, same day. But it appears that is not a problem so negate that thought. Personally I always check the site of a shot, even if clean, also if i see a deer drop I go right over to it. (many reasons: nicked nerve can cause temp. paralysis and a lost animal is one) As far as A gut shot, you did the text book right thing, let it freeze up and die...not push it all over the country side. Not only does that increase your odds of finding it, but relates to better table fare for sure. Mistakes happen we learn from them, it makes us better hunters. If we continue to do them and not learn...that is where ethics comes into the mix. Being young, I hardly think anybody can fault you for your actions...I think you did the best thing and that was relax and get in the right frame of mind. Ajitterbug won't produce a good result, but time to relax and reflect will calm the nerves and provide a fresh prespective.

I am betting you learned something from the first shot..be it reaction to the gut shot or maybe don't assume...this is what we all need to do when hunting, KEEP Learning. I really didn't see where people where all over you, they just indicated that you may need some practice with the shooting and nerve thing...which comes and is required of all of us. I have been hunting deer for over 20 years and I still practice a lot at the range to hone my skills..in fact my season is done and I was at the range on sunday to start honing for next year. I am a damn good shot and always have been but I know that I ain't perfect and the more I practice the better I will be prepared to put the crosshairs on that buck or whatever next time the opp is presented. Also if you can't take some tips or pointers...than no your better off not to post. However I would hardly stop visiting here, their are a great number of individuals and opinions that will help you be a better hunter. Just remember it is the internet and we can't see your face, so it will always be different than talking with your pals. However if my pals just said &quot;I did everything right all the time and I rocked&quot;, I would question their honesty and value. I am lucky that our group is very frank and we all have the same ethical standards..we are also not affraid of stepping on toes and SUGAR is never present in our camp.

Life is hard you either buck up or get out of the way!

BTW, congrats on your deer and you did do the right thing IMO. Stick around I bet you can get and give some great advice here. I know I have.

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Charlie P,

I had not intended to repost on this matter however, you challenged me for a for a response. “Who, cares if he shot a Doe?” If they are in season probably no one certainly not me. Many states limit or have no Doe season at all. By his original posting he stated “I decided.............” Which appeared to mean I’m not waiting for a Buck, I just want to kill something. The tone of the letter reflected a disregard for ethics. My response was that of honest advice not harsh criticisms. Had it been one of my sons I would have said the same thing! Then hugged them and tried to figure out just what went wrong.

I do agree that Chris, did the right thing on posting the letter. It drew a tremendous amount of response and different views. Should Chris, quit the BBS? NO, we have all become fond of him for standing up to his mistakes and want to hear more from him. I don’t feel that he was looking for absolution in his posting. He was hurting, and needed someone to care. Judging by the letters he has many that do care.

Charlie, understand that older people write in a more formal manner and may appear “strong” to the younger set. From the letters that followed I noted a unique difference in the answers and attitudes by generation standards. The older hunters tend follow the writings of Hemmingway, Roark, and O’Connor. The younger set seem to follow the standards of TV program hunters.

Secondly, My sons were taught to hunt by my father. A strong taskmaster who, allowed you only one bullet for the Deer season. When hunting upland game and waterfowl we got only one shell if you missed your season was over. If you hit you got another shell after gutting and salting down the cavity. He did however, allow us to target and skeet shoot year around. My first hunting season, as well as my sons, involved carrying his old Kessler bolt action shotgun with the bolt removed. The second year we were allowed to shoot.

“Wrong” I Could be; but, I know personally that a Stag buck will herd his does and use them for his protection. He will run them across a meadow, opening, and sometimes a ridge before following.

Now, if Chris, isn’t still too mad at me perhaps he would tell us what type of rifle he was using?

Sincerely, John

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Here in Georgia you can shoot 10 does and they don't really are if you get them all in one sitting, they just want them gone. I see does running all over the place here, but there isn't anything chasing them. Some areas here it is like the deer don't even rut because there are so many does the bucks don't have to run to get them, just check the ones close by.

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

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I'm kinda a newbie here, but isn't taking excessive does part of good herd management? I read that a 50/50 ratio of bucks to does is ideal.

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jsmart, can you please enlighten me on this generation gap in regard to ethics or standards, you are referring too?

I adhere to a very high standard and ethics with regards to hunting. I honestly feel that my code of conduct is many times higher than the older type hunter you maybe referring too, which when I started was &quot;Brown it's down type mentality&quot;. I am not referring to anyone specific on this board, i just think that the generation gap isn't all bad to the sport. I also learned many a trick and tactic from the old and wise, so know digs are intended. Since I am the bright eyed baby at 32 years old, I feel as though you maybe referring to the likes of my age and younger. I guess I really would like to know what you mean by this statement. I agree shot placemnet and knowing how to assess the situation at hand are paramount in hunting. Practice is essential in all areas, never to young or old to learn. I don't think our ideals are that far apart and maybe you weren't referring to me personally. I just would like some more info on your point or which you eluded too. thanks

As to the stag statement &quot; well for whitetails&quot; I believe this is untrue. Many other game they will often babysit their core group until estrus or heat comes...however the mature whitetail buck is looking to procreate as much and often as possible. He will not stay with a doe that isn't close to cycling, he will depart and find one that is and then return to her when the time is near. Whitetail bucks are very much loaners during the breeding phase, they will often run a heard of does to try and see if any are close...only to leave them if that is not the case. At the same point does don't want the bucks around, hence why they often are seen following the does and the does scattering. It is the chase phase and often confussed to be full blown rut. Like humans the females enjoy the tease or pursuit of males. While the males want and if no give they go looking in a different corner. I may be out to lunch on this one, but have never seen a buck run a herd out and then only to stay back and wait for the bang...if she is hot he will be right on her...if close he will be not far behind or maybe late on her trail. The problem lies in the patience to wait for that to happen and we only know he is near (or she is looking) by the stop and look she will give back to that dark corner of the bush.

Again this is my experience only, I haven't heard of a Stag buck in terms of Whitetails. But maybe I just learned something new today!

Have fun and good luck guys/gals.

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Jsmart,You stated <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>“I decided.............” Which appeared to mean I’m not waiting for a Buck, I just want to kill something. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>Sounds like your assuming to me.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Should Chris, quit the BBS? NO, we have all become fond of him for standing up to his mistakes and want to hear more from him <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> You got Hemmingway in your pocket or is it a mouse?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>A strong taskmaster who, allowed you only one bullet for the Deer season. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>What, God forbid if someone missed(it happens).

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>When hunting upland game and waterfowl we got only one shell if you missed your season was over. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>Wow!! That sounds like alot of fun.lol. I guess no one made any mistakes around Gramps,eh?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>My first hunting season, as well as my sons, involved carrying his old Kessler bolt action shotgun with the bolt removed. The second year we were allowed to shoot. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> What was that supposed to teach you guys,that the gun was heavy? I knew enough to carry a gun with bullets and everything my first year.Gramps and Grand ma taught me well.She even let me use her Ithica sweet 16 side by side,too bad she was buried with it I loved that gun.

Skeeter, I think he means a mature Buck.

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Only let you have ONE bullet for the deer season!?! I don't agree with that at all. Your season was over if you missed? That's just not right in my opinion. If I had to learn to hunt like that I would never want to go again after a day or two carring a shotgun with no bolt in it. Sounds like you are trying to teach kids that hunting is suppose to be alot of hard work and mental toil. God knows I would have foiled under the pressure if I knew after this one shot my deer season was about to end one way or the other (pressure's on kid). I would of never had any of the good memories Of my first dove hunt becuase it took me 3 whole shots before I finally hit my first moving target. I guess I would of just had to tough it out for another few years while my friends all gained real experience and got real deer/game while I was sitting at home with a huge case of buck fever everytime I saw an animal and I had my trusty ONE bullet. No pressure at all. I guess I would of takin up stamp collecting or something else more fun than hunting. Don't get me wrong, I only had to use one bullet on my first deer, but I knew full good and well that with one flip of the lever I had another 30-30 bullet ready to go if I needed it. I was a crappy shot my first few years mainly because of lack of experince and confidence that can only be gained one way, through succesfull hunting. Ok, this had nothing to do with the topic at hand but and I'll get off my soapbox now with one sentence to sum it all up. &quot;I don't agree with that, but opinions are like @$$****s everyone's got one.&quot;

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

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Charlie P,

I had not intended to repost on this matter however, you challenged me for a for a response. “Who, cares if he shot a Doe?” If they are in season probably no one certainly not me. Many states limit or have no Doe season at all. By his original posting he stated “I decided.............” Which appeared to mean I’m not waiting for a Buck, I just want to kill something. The tone of the letter reflected a disregard for ethics. My response was that of honest advice not harsh criticisms. Had it been one of my sons I would have said the same thing! Then hugged them and tried to figure out just what went wrong.

I do agree that Chris, did the right thing on posting the letter. It drew a tremendous amount of response and different views. Should Chris, quit the BBS? NO, we have all become fond of him for standing up to his mistakes and want to hear more from him. I don’t feel that he was looking for absolution in his posting. He was hurting, and needed someone to care. Judging by the letters he has many that do care.

Charlie, understand that older people write in a more formal manner and may appear “strong” to the younger set. From the letters that followed I noted a unique difference in the answers and attitudes by generation standards. The older hunters tend follow the writings of Hemmingway, Roark, and O’Connor. The younger set seem to follow the standards of TV program hunters.

Secondly, My sons were taught to hunt by my father. A strong taskmaster who, allowed you only one bullet for the Deer season. When hunting upland game and waterfowl we got only one shell if you missed your season was over. If you hit you got another shell after gutting and salting down the cavity. He did however, allow us to target and skeet shoot year around. My first hunting season, as well as my sons, involved carrying his old Kessler bolt action shotgun with the bolt removed. The second year we were allowed to shoot.

“Wrong” I Could be; but, I know personally that a Stag buck will herd his does and use them for his protection. He will run them across a meadow, opening, and sometimes a ridge before following.

Now, if Chris, isn’t still too mad at me perhaps he would tell us what type of rifle he was using?

Sincerely, John

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We don't have many does where I hunt so I was planning on shooting a doe anyway.


I was shooting my bolt action .270 with balistic tips.
I am actually a pretty good shot at the target range but I guess I shoot a little high this time.

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&quot;We don't have many does where I hunt so I was planning on shooting a doe anyway&quot;

Did you mean to say that you don't have many BUCKS/stags where you hunt so you were going to take a doe anyway?

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

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Chris,
Thanks for the come back. A .270 NBT,is a fine rifle cartridge.

Well son, it looks like you have become the most popular person on the net. If they keep writing Jay Leno, may have you on his show.

I have raised enough hackles this week; we are heading out of town for Turkey Day. You have a great Thanksgiving and don't forget to hug someone this week.

Sincerly, John

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jsmart, I am just curious, would you happen to live in Alandria, Alabama ???

The best of luck in all your hunting endeavors!!!

God Bless,
Dave

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Chris,What happened with the gut shot doe? Did you find it or not?