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bristowboy_20 12-02-2006 06:04 PM

Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
My nephew shot an 8 pointer the other day, well he hit the lungs I THINK. The blood was really bright red, and really bubbly.. It was just full of bubbles. anyways we tracked that deer for hundreds of yards and the blood finally stopped. The next day we go back to look and we jump an 8 pointer, but he has trouble running and when he gets so far away it sounds like hes having a LOT of trouble snorting, like he can barely breathe... I know it was the same deer, so I was wondering, can a deer survive a lung shot????? because it seems this one did...

axp117crow 12-02-2006 06:06 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
i've never heard of a deer surviving a lung shot before, maybe u just nicked the lung? who knows

cowboy4513 12-02-2006 06:15 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
i have heard of a deer surviving a single lung hit but not double my friend just shot a deer that was only running on one lung the other one has somewhat how do i describe almost callased up.

lethalconnection 12-02-2006 06:18 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I would have to agree with cowboy and say that you nephew must have just nicked the one lung and it may have collapsed so i dont think he will be out running anything any time soon.

skeeter 7MM 12-02-2006 06:27 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
No they can't survive a single lung hit as every breath will be tainted with blood and cause them to drown in it. They can survive awhile but not days and yes they can get back up and move if bumped. I would say he missed the vitals completely as even with a nick he won't make be still running after a night of setting up. The labored breath sounds good indicate a neck shot or even a missing jaw, they can live a long time and the blood can havebubbled appearence to it. The only way to know for sure is find the deer unfortunately.

Matt/TN 12-02-2006 06:47 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
skeeter, O contrair, let me find the picture from the bowhunting forum!!

Matt/TN 12-02-2006 06:49 PM

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Matt/TN 12-02-2006 06:51 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
did you say lung shot and still live? :D




im not sure about the particulars and neither was the guy who posted it but all i know is it was a buddy of the guy who posted it.

BowHunterFett 12-02-2006 06:53 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I shot a doe that had 1 lung, she had a scar on her side, from a slug. It was in the guts when I gutted her. it was an old wound too, like atleast a year or longer. So you can not say NO THEY WON'T, because they sure can, not always, but they can.

lethalconnection 12-02-2006 07:04 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 

ORIGINAL: Cougars09



Man would i be pissed to see that.

BowHunterFett 12-02-2006 07:17 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
Boy, PETA would eat that up wouldn't they? I mean really, deer and rabbits eating together, what is this world coming too!LOLJK;)

skeeter 7MM 12-02-2006 07:20 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
Was the buck in the picture harvested? If not how does heknow the lung was even hit??

As to the doe missing a lung, what was left of the missing lung?

I guess my background in cardio pulmanory functionmakes it pretty hard tothink a deer could survive with a lung spewing blood into the breathing circuit. I have seendeer explained as walking trauma centres maybe they also have a surgeon on board as well.:D I may be off on this one, though have never seen a game animal survive a single lung hit bow or gun.

bristowboy_20 12-02-2006 07:20 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
wow, never seen that pic before. thanks for the info too

Hiawatha 12-02-2006 07:31 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 

ORIGINAL: Cougars09


This deer is not even hit in one lung. looks to have been a quartering toward or broad shot but hard to tell, guts at best.

wildlands 12-02-2006 08:26 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
Skeeter, You might have seen some of my posting or others about a book called tracking dogs for finding wounded deer. John talks in his book about his research and that during some of his necropsys (sp)he found a doe with one lung that looked like a prune and another that had and obvious broadhead scare through the top of the lung. Both were obvious old and healed. 3 years ago I tracked a deer that was obvious one lung. Sharp down angle, bubbles typical sign for lung. Being my first full season of tracking I made some mistakes on this one and ended up not finiding the deer. Well the following year I run into the hunter and he tells me they spotted the buck 2 weeks later with a wound on the top right side. The deer was going strong though. I would say surving is possably but I imagine that depending on the type of weapon used thus the amount of contamination to the wound that infections probably kill a great number of one lung hit deer.

Get back to the original posters question about that particular deer. As a tracker one of the questions I would have asked before taking the call was there any bone at the hit site. Most lung blood is pinkish not bright red. The bright red is usually some type of muscle. IF the deer was hit in the jaw as someone mentioned the deer would have been trackable but would have taken a while to walk the deer down, keep it bleeding and catch it in a wound bed.

Oneshot7 12-02-2006 08:31 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
hia looks more ike a sharp sharp quartering away shot the penetrated so little and then hit the shoulder

Thats just me

Hiawatha 12-02-2006 08:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Oneshot7

hia looks more ike a sharp sharp quartering away shot the penetrated so little and then hit the shoulder
Thats just me
Oneshot, i wasstruggling with the angle as well with this picture however this is how i based my decision.The arrow is very far back and there is quite a bit of shaft sticking out. Ifthe arrow was quartering awayand stuck in the opposite shoulder it would have to be like a 40 inchlong arrow.I dunno does that make sense? at best there is maybe 10 inches in that deer.ahh i see what u mean now one, A sharp sharp angle i guess is possible however in my opinon i cannot see how it would meet the shoulder.my guess is its lodged in a rib on the other side. hard to tell the angle sucks.

Matt/TN 12-02-2006 09:03 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
to me it looks like a quartering away shot that hit a rib and lost its steam, looks like it got a lung to me, we'll never kno unless the guy or someone else kills him!!

DOUBLE-LUNG 12-03-2006 01:35 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
Beautiful buck.Disappointingto see wounded. The picture definately leaves the question to survival if a lung has been shot. I personally shot a buck a couple years ago that was single lung hit. Great blood trail. The buck did die, but not until I spent almost three hours tracking.

SRBowman 12-03-2006 01:47 AM

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Well lets hope he was harvested!

SwampTHING 12-03-2006 02:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cougars09


High and way back,, maybe a cut up diaphram but in no way a lung shot..

Personally I think alot of photoshop on that picture!

JagMagMan 12-03-2006 11:37 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I'd have to say that it would be very hard for a deer to survive a lung shot! With just one lung being hit, it may survive a little longer, but eventually, it is going to drown in its own blood!
As far as the buck picture, with all the photo editing programs these days, I'd have to see that deer or know the person that took the picture!
If its real, it does look like a steep angle, too far back!
The one thing that makes me think "phoney," is I don't think a buck with that kind of wound would be standing at a bait pile!

zrexpilot 12-03-2006 07:43 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I have to agree with jag. Aint no way a deer will survive a razor tip broad head to one lung. It will never stop bleeding. He will go farther, but he aint gonna make to the next night and sit and eat some corn. Uh uh. Got to be photo shop

bushmaster_5bko 12-04-2006 11:11 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
If you ask me i think that it will die eventually, sounds like you definitly hit a lung though, maybe just nicked it


deer_beer11 12-04-2006 11:33 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
i have never personally hit only one lung on a deer. but i do know that deer have an amazing will to survive. i have seen deer spook up in front of me that have one, two, or even three legs broken from poor shots. its sad to see. but deer will keep going until they cant go anymore. anyone who has hit a deer good and tracked it forever will tell you the same thing.

Paul L Mohr 12-04-2006 03:54 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
The first deer I shot was one lung and the arrow stopped in the heart. That sucker ran 400 yards! It did die though.

I agree, I don't see one surviving with punctured lung, but it does take a bit longer for them to die that way.

I'm suprised we don't have anyone here that is a vet and could answer it for sure. I know we have some doctors though.

Paul

Rhodes4025 12-04-2006 06:49 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I am a physician, and yes an animal can survive very nicely with only one lung. A single lung shot will not be fatal unless a large enough blood vessle has been hit to cause a fatal hemmorhage or a tension pneumothorax develops.

Hotburn76 12-04-2006 08:26 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
That pic is Photo shopped or the arrow is high and is lodged in the muscle of the back strap. If it was to hit a lung that arrow would be moving alot and slice up more and more of the lung with every step the deer took. Also if you want to say it is the shoulder, then the shaft would still be in the lungmoving with every step and prevent a clot from forming.That is either a missed lung and somehow lodged above or photo shopped. Any one who has shot and recovered a deer with an arrow that did not pass through knows how much damage they do as they run and walk. Missed lung or photo shopped, only two possibilities!

Slim Pickins 12-05-2006 10:54 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I am a skeptic, so I automatically think this image was photoshoped.
It may be real, but I could not use it as a basis for this arguement until it was verified.

oh yeah, here is a picture of my cat :D







wis_bow_huntr 12-05-2006 11:44 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
that deer wasnt lung shot the lungs is a bit lower than that

BowHunterFett 12-05-2006 09:42 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
WOW, you have an albino mountain lion for a pet, way cool! I heard that was possible, there is no way that is fake, cause my friends moms co-workers son's dogs last owners 3rd cousins ex-girlfriends friend said so

bowtech die hard 12-05-2006 10:46 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
I've heard of deer surviving one but never heard of one surviving both.

hldeerhunter 12-06-2006 11:48 AM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
Deer can survive on one lung. I have seen one. A friend of mine shot a doe that had one lung collapsed and one lung fine. Now, the point has to be made as to how much of the lung is hit. If an arrow centers one lung and not the other, I would tend to think that the hemorage would be enough to kill the animal eventually. However, if one lung is just sliced, and it deflates, the hemorage may not be great enough to cause the animal to bleed out. The only thing I know for sure is that a deer can survive on one lung...I guess I am just trying to add fuel to the fire.

davidmil 12-06-2006 01:49 PM

RE: Lung Shot and Still survive????????
 
If the picture is real, I'd be willing to bet that arrow isn't in the lungs. Where he hit the back bone is wide and the ribs close. Looks like the deer was angling hard away. From the angle, I'd say he rode right on top of the ribs and it stopped. I honestly don't think it's in the lungs at all. Can't say the pictue is or isn't real. What's with all the white area around the arrow on the deers hide. I mean, it's a 10 inch white area.


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