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I will always say a short prayer when I have harvested deer. Though naturally thank full, I feel compeled to thank the good Lord for presenting me with a deer.

I was asked once if I was into the indian religion? After this odd question to me, at the time. I found out that many tribes will say a prayer for thier kill and blow into the animals nose.

Any other members feel the same or have an opinion?

KEEP HUNTING THE GREAT OUTDOORS & GOD ALIVE, PASS IT ON!

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Every time! I'll never forget my first harvest. I didn't just say a prayer , I raised my hands in the air , looked up in the sky , and hollered as loud as I could...THANK YOU LORD!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

<---Doug---<<<

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I thought everyone said a quick thanks to the man upstairs, whatever their particular religion chooses to call him. I know I do.

I just ain't to sure about the blowing in the deer's nose thing......<img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

Those who wish to appear wise among fools, among the wise seem foolish.
Marcus Fabius Quintilianus (35 AD - 100 AD)

Edited by - Silens_Venator on 11/14/2002 01:17:16

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Yes after each one, I give thanks to god, the great sprit (mother nature) and to the deer for giving there life for me then I give them there last meal.

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That's fine and dandy for those of you who blieve in god.

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I believe there is a greater power than humans and I always say thanks for the harvest.

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I'll thank 'god' for the harvest... when he scouts out a deer, shoots it, field dresses it, butchers and places it in my freezer, then wakes me up with a venison steak and eggs for breakfast....


** More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. So I have no interest being part of an extremely divisive cult.


Clark

Houston, TX

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Not only do I thank him for a successful harvest - but just being given the opportunity to see the sun come up over the trees from my treestand.




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I have always given thanks for all my kills, this year I got my first bowkill and while I was giving the deer some time I slid out got my daughters and brought them out to get her, we all three laid our hands on the deer and gave thanks. Anyone who does not beleive in a greater being is in denial of the wonder of nature.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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Each mournig when I get up
Each time I see deer
Each time I take a deer
Each time I see my wife and kids
Each time my wife says I can go hunt
And at the end of the day.

Hurry up and wait.

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I have to thank God because I know it was'nt my cat like reflex that was able to bring down an animal. As always I think of a harvest as a gift, a divine appointment set in motion to provide food on the table. Anyone who spends time in the outdoors is familiar with the perfect order of nature.
One verse that always stopped me was the mention that all things were created by him and he holds all things together. Think about that. You magnify anything enough solid or liquid and there is space. There is more space than matter in this computer I'm using and he consists and holds all things together. I believe he is even responsible for a perfect broadside shot.

If it crawls it falls, if it flies it dies.

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I am elated to see the responses to my post. Not for the numbers but for the sheer fact that every post all but two of them will thank the lord or a higher power for the fortune of taking harvest, and in general for everything.

Others clearly do no beleive in the Lord or refuse to due to thier own reasons. All I can say is that I respect your feelings and will continue to pray for evey one that does and doesn't beleive in the good lord.

Happy hunting

KEEP HUNTING THE GREAT OUTDOORS & GOD ALIVE, PASS IT ON!

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Jred.

Let's see if power of prayer really works. Pray for me to get a 10pt this weekend. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

I believe it was Teddy Rosevelt that said, 'I'd rather have hands that help than knees that prey.'

Before a christian Jihad is called on me... Let me say this. My dad is a minister and I was raised in the church. The examples of hypochrisy I have seen is enormous. Religion is all about control and money and ANYONE who thinks otherwise is foolish and is blinded by 'faith'.

I only have one question.... there are 4 versions of the Easter story in the bible. There are unreconcilable differences between the versions. If the bible is the infallible word of god - how is this possible?

With that said - I think the fact that you harvest a deer is MORE likely to be the result of YOUR hard work scouting.. YOUR discipline to remain still.. YOUR good shot from hours of practice... YOUR ability to track the animal... and nothing to do with a 'supreme being'.

Remember, even a blind squirrel occasionally gets a nut.


Clark

Houston, TX

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I thank GOD for everything! I'm Christian and proud of it! Now that i've said that let me say that i posted a thread like this entitled (Christian Bowhunter) on another forum about a year ago and it turned into a really ugly religious debate and that surely wasn't my intentions. There's nothing wrong with your post but you'll be quick to learn there are alot of non-believers out there who get really offended by the post and will argue with you until the cows come home if thats what you desire. All i can say now is what i said then and leave it at that....&quot;I believe in GOD and pray for those who don't&quot; God Bless!

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Bruce said it for me.
I will thank God for every good thing in my life.
Among them will always be the time spent in nature, deer sightings, and kills.

Each time I am granted the gift of a deer to eat, I will thank Mother Earth and Father Sky for the bounty of meat, and for the fantastic experience that is hunting.


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JC_1, I pray that someday you can accept the fact that it's OK for other people to have different beliefs than yours. Please do not condemn them for it.
I wish you peace in your journey through life.
Whatever you choose to believe about God or the church, do not let it make you become an unpleasant person.


&quot;Who soever believes in me shall have eternal life.&quot;


Keep 'em all in the Bull.

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JC-1

Like Bowfanatic said, I sipmly wanted to know who out there shared the same link as I do in respect to the Lord and hunting. Giving thanks. Nothing more nothing less.

As mentioned before I respect what you and a few others have said wether I agreed with them or not and left it on possitive note.

To try and answer your question, the bible was not written by the Lord but my men like us on this board, who were his deciples, some of those who were non believers, before coming to know the Lord.

These stories some of which are worded in different manners, but the priciple still remains the same. The Lord died on the cross for all of us beleiver and non believers. When he was taken down from the cross and sealed in his tomb he arose to be with God. Some different descrioptions but all with the same ending.

Your comment regarding people being foolish and blinded by faith is taken with a heavy heart. Let me say this, Hunters that abuse this tradition of hunting give most all other hunters bad names, the same goes for all religions. Don't be so quick and sharp tounged to pass judgement on us who do believe in the Lord, please.

If you find a baby fawn with it's head blown off, this does'nt mean I am a bad person just because I carry a shot gun and hunt for deer.

I and other members have respected your comments and have passed on our compete support for you as best we know how, with prayer.

If some one doesn't believe in the Lord this does't mean you are cursed and can't take game with out him.

Resting in the Lord allows one to relly on the Lord and able to see that all things are possible with him when you trust in him and know him.

Inturn, giving thanks to the lord for the ability to learn, haveing the skills and know how to have taken a harvest is a sign of gradtitue, respect an honor for the Lord.

CJ-1 if you feel compeled to reply to this post please do so, but send it to my email address. As this is a hunting forum and thoe my original question was in reference to both this as become another whole topic.

H A P P Y H U N T I N G !


KEEP HUNTING THE GREAT OUTDOORS & GOD ALIVE, PASS IT ON!

Edited by - jred on 11/15/2002 20:24:31

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Amen, Jred

Very well said.




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With my head down hat off and both hands on the deer.
For those of us that believe have nothing to lose if we are wrong. Those who don't have everything to lose.

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I would like to know more about the traditions of &quot;blowing in the mouth of the harvested deer&quot; and &quot;giving the deer his last meal&quot;.

I have not heard of these before. Are they Native American rituals or do they come from somewhere else? What do they sybolize?

Keep 'em all in the Bull.

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&lt;b&gt;Jred&lt;/b&gt; - You posted a public opinion and are being asked to publicly defend it. I see no reason to go to email.

&lt;b&gt;Bowfanatic&lt;/b&gt; - could you talk a little louder please? I don't think I could understand you through the spittle. Besides, this is a HUNTING board - most topics should deal with hunting. You don't see me on an 'American Taliban' board talking about caliber selection, eh?

&lt;b&gt;Mykey&lt;/b&gt; - I think you'll actually find exactly the OPPOSITE is true. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson blamed the 9/11 attacks on homosexuals and the godless people of America. Hmmm... tolerance?

Also, if there's something on TV, in the print media, or some other public forum that christians in general are against - ANYONE who espouses that idea is instantly and viciously attacked. The Christian Right wasted MILLIONS of our tax money to prove Bill Clinton got a BJ in the oval office. I'm sure he's the first one to EVER do that.... Compare and contrast - Jimmy Swaggart... Jim Baker... the Christians are more than willing to forgive one of their own, eh?

&lt;b&gt;Edger&lt;/b&gt; - that argument is not valid even when it was first introduced by a french philosopher in the 1800s. It relies on an irrational fear and coercion to force compliance. We can discuss it in depth if you fell that it's necessary.

&lt;b&gt;Bulzeye&lt;/b&gt; - I do not condemn you, or any other christian, for your beliefs any more than I condemn my son for believing in Santa Claus. After all - it's your god who condemns me.

I have friends of many beliefs. We get along fine as long as religion isn't a pre-requsite [sp] for our friendship. I do not require they adhere to my beliefs and they know there's no chance I'll adhere to theirs.

I also wish you the best in life. I just feel sorry for you in the fact that you have to thank 'god' for the results of all YOUR hard work. And no, telling Jesus to hit the road has not made me an unpleasant person. I've found that I'm much more relaxed and easy going as opposed to always uptight about 'sinning'.

Actually, sinning is quite pleasant!! Even the church ran brothels in the middle ages in England. They quite because they didn't have any penincillen [sp] back then. Now they simply protect priests from abusive alter boys.

Oh... yeah... I would probably be considered unpleasant by anyone who wanted to talk religion with me. I have my VERIFIABLE facts in order and challenge them to do the same. :) As long as religion isn't a topic and nobody is trying to proselytize me we get along fine. Just last week a client invited me to a church social function she was hosting. I politely refused and was cajoled into why. She was EXTREMELY suprised that as an athiest I didn't have horns and a tail. Well... I do have *A* horn... but as a christian - odds more likely she won't be checking my drawers. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>


&lt;b&gt;Jred&lt;/b&gt; - I don't need your prayers. I need the sharing of your knowledge and experience in the field. I am a new hunter and haven't yet harvested a deer. Now that I've made my views CLEARLY known - we'll see how well the christian community here are able to look past their own biases and predjudices.

I can look past my biases and predjudices over your views. Jesus doesn't matter in my life and your beliefs don't matter either to me either. We can be friends without drinking to excess with nekkid harlots running around. [HOWEVER, I would consider you a good dear life-long friend if we did. hehe. ]

We can share in the hunting realm and 'all get along' if you'd like. I'll even remain politely quiet and non-confrontative when you prey over meals or a dead animal. I'll even ^5 you after you're done giving someone else credit for your work and congradulate you on a good deer!!

However, start trying to convince me of the absolute power of Jesus Christ and you'll soon despise me. I'll politely and calmly ask you questions that will make doubt the foundations of your beliefs. The only answer you'll have is - 'I want to believe.' And that's fine.. just know WHY you believe and all is well. And... if you're like 99% of the other sadistic individuals who thought they could bring my back into the fold - you'll probably wind up hollering at me thinking volume will change me. hehe.. NOT.

&lt;b&gt;Non-beliving Lurkers&lt;/b&gt; - Grow a pair. The christians are an EXTREMELY organized and VOCAL minority. That's right - MINORITY! If we don't stand up for our rights - they will be all legislated away. I know I am not the only one here who doesn't follow the teachings of a virgin carpenter that had less education and knowledge of a modern 2nd grade child.


Someone has to stand up to the religious hordes. I could sure use some help. Remember - just confront them with common sense and facts... then sit back and watch them froth at the mouth. Hmmm... however, I think Jred may be the exception. His arguments are thought out, non-combatitive, and thought provoking. Although they use a conclusion to support the validity of the premises.


&lt;b&gt;Christians&lt;/b&gt; - Good luck tomorrow getting that 8pt buck!!

&lt;b&gt;Athiests&lt;/b&gt; - Good luck tomorrow getting that 10pt monster buck!!


Now - we've all said our bit... we can argue religion till we're blue in the face. Arguing with believers is like wrestling with pigs. You both get muddy - but the pig likes it. I'd rather talk about how to hunt a deer.

Sheeesh... 11:35p - wake up 04:00 tomorrow is gonna be a beyotch!! So... anyone wanna wish *ME* luck on tagging that 6pt buck I've scouted?



Clark

Houston, TX

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I said it pretty loud , yet it still failed to penetrate your skull!

Yep! It's a deerhunting forum! &quot;Thanking God for your harvest?&quot; is the title. The correlation<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> It's pretty clear in jred's first sentence...&quot;I will always say a short prayer when I have harvested a deer.&quot;

Was I outta line with &quot;my loud spittle&quot;? Probably! After all , his last sentence was...&quot;Any other members feel the same or have an opinion?
For those that gave their honest albeit difference of opinion on the matter , I apoligize! It's your opinion and he did ask.

I've been around here long enough to know what your agenda was after your first sentence..&quot;Lets see if power of prayer really works. Pray for me to get a 10pt this weekend<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>&quot;
Your last sentence in your first post would have been a fair answer and honest opinion. The rest was spittle in it's purest form!
jred(&lt;his thread) asked you to reply via email!

Better yet , hop on over to the hunting/politics forum<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Feel free to post your anti-christian beliefs over there. I'm on my way!:)

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I always thank God for my harvest. I can't &quot;make&quot; deer come to my stand, all I can do is wait with hopefull anticipation. I've seen to many things in my life and in the woods that IMOP prove there is a God.

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

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I figure the deer belong to God and every now and then he gives one to me. It is my resposibility to use what he gave me to the fullest, the meat for the family, the hide, and sometimes even antlers for the wall to remember the gift and experience. It is truly Gods victory and not mine when the cycle of life and death is played out and another Georgia whitetail 'gives up the ghost'.

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Better yet , hop on over to the hunting/politics forum<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Feel free to post your anti-christian beliefs over there. I'm on my way!:)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>BOWFANATIC, you aren't trying to get this person &quot;cyber-spanked&quot; so new in his life at huntingbbs.com, are you? LOL.
You know, I think most folks can't figure me out. On one hand, I say something that seems like I am refuting God (such as my belief in evolutionary theory versus creationism). Then on the other, I will say something that supports God (like saying a prayer of thanks, grace before a meal, etc.) LOL, yeah, He really needs an ant like me to support Him. That would be tantamount to a flea believing it was carrying a dog around on its back.
JC-1, take a breath… it will be ok. I am not a practicing member of any particular religious affiliation at the moment. Call it the terrible 20's, I'll grow out of it and go back to Him. He will be waiting. However, I have enough respect and integrity to not insult those that are serious and very open about their religious teachings and beliefs. Maybe you should learn to exercise a little respect, integrity, and discipline on your own behalf. It might make life a tad bit easier with some folks. There’s certainly nothing wrong with expressing your feelings and opinions, but try to refrain from doing it in a malicious and dare I say, asinine way.


I am still just ain't to sure about the blowing in the deer's nose thing......

Those who wish to appear wise among fools, among the wise seem foolish.
Marcus Fabius Quintilianus (35 AD - 100 AD)

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I thank the Creator eveytime I harvest an animal.For those of you that don't believe thats your opinion.

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I always say a prayer! ( And I'm not ashamed to say - sometimes shed a tear - for a variety of reasons. )


Now.....&quot;Go Get Ya One!&quot; (And say a prayer when ya do!)

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As far as blowing into the deers nose,I was asked this becasue one of my club members asked if I were of an idian religion more that likley because I said out loud, thank you dear lord for today and this animal that will provide food.

Looking into this more I found out and acctually saw this on a hunting video. A modern indian tribes man took a deer and said a pray for it thanking the great one and the deer and for it's life offering. After words the indian picked the deers head up and blew into it's nose.

He didn't put his mouth over the deers mouth and do this, he simply blew his breath into the deers nose. What this means I do not know.

In regards to JC-1's reply, I said what I had to say in regard to your first and second post publicly and did so the best way I know how.

The only things that I would add ,again, is that your choose of words were demening and uncalled for. This was to be seen by other board members as well, your views and opinions are yours and that's fine, but why go out of your way to say things that will cause conflicts and hurt feelings, freedom of speach?

You also made mention that more people have been kill in the name of God, than for any other reason, so you have no interest in this cult/God.

Thou the numbers are smaller coutless numbers of people have died for this country, Because the believe in it this country as well as God. Are you also not willing to be part of this country, USA? Thou not a cult the principle is all the same.

I chose to e-mail you seperatly as it has nothing to do with this hunting forum, any longer. If you want it to be public, post it.

Again, all the best to you and good luck hunting!

For all other God fearing members I am happy to see the support that is due for the Lord and the fact that you care.

I will personally help JC-1 out with anything I can regarding hunting information and knowledge I hope you all will as well.



KEEP HUNTING THE GREAT OUTDOORS & GOD ALIVE, PASS IT ON!

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I have read most of the post on this topic and the same question keeps comming back each time. this is the question addresed to believers &quot;Why do you believers even bother to acknowlege such rubbish from an atheist when it is clear they are out of touch with reality. If you would have ignored the first post it would have ended.If an atheist cant argue or cause discord then they are not interested. again, that is directed to believers. DONE
To harvesting , I cant say that i say a prayer or thank God, because i am not conscious of it if I do, But i will say this I always have a feeling for the animal. I am some what saddened and feel great respect for the animal. And yes I am a large part native American (Indian) but i don't think that has anything to do with it.


A little buck does not always make a trophy RG

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Hey Guys; I didn't mean to break the thread. Sorry!

A little buck does not always make a trophy RG

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Herein lies my case and point.

I posted with a differing view and made no disparaging remarks AGAINST ANY individual christian here. WELL... MAYBE THE SPITTLE COMMENT TO BOWFANATIC WAS A LITTLE OVER THE TOP... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I did however, SLAM [coulda slammed harder] the basis of a religion and the unproven tenements it is founded upon.

The 'Christian' element here has accused or implied about me PERSONALLY the following
<ul>[*]I'm uptight and demeaning[*]an unpleasant person[*]I blow the heads off baby fawns[*]I'm malicious[*]Asinine[*]Un-american [btw - I'm a vet] [*]Out of touch with reality [/list]
Hmmm... remember where I posted that disagreeing that Jesus is lord and being an outspoken non-believer would bring instant attacks from right field? .... THAT is why you only have those willing to argue post on this subject. Most would rather let the christians take over than raise a voice in protest. WHY?? Because any theological discussion about the veracity of Jesus and Christianity QUICKLY becomes a personal name calling contest.... because there is NO proof of god, jesus, mohammed, etc. etc. etc....


Would someone please quote where I posted a PERSONAL attack on a fellow hunter in this forum? .... Can't find one, eh? .... So why are y'all attacking me personally? Could it be because you cannot justify your beliefs other than through 'blind faith'? So you can't win the discussion on facts and have to rely on superstition and personal attacks?

Ahh... y'all would make good republicans. I voted Democrat for the first time in my life this year.... Why? Because the 'christian' right has hijacked that party and are more interested in making the USA a theocracy.

If y'all would like to discuss the merits and validity of your beliefs in a civilized manner - let's do so... But I think this quote will summarize the christian position on this.... &quot;Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword.&quot; -- Jesus, Matthew 10:34


Now for the obligatory hunting material......

DID ANYONE SCORE THIS WEEKEND????

My buck got away... again... dadgumit... But I followed some track to a honey hole full of does!! Now next weekend - hehehe... I'll be there waiting... <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>



Clark




Houston, TX

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JC-1,
I have been reading this thread for a couple of days now and really don't know where to begin my response to everything mentioned. First off, I am a Christian, and I am sorry to hear that other Christians have driven you away from the Lord. I believe the main problem with Christianity today is that so called 'Christians' are so hypocritical that they give 'Christ' and what it means to be a Christian, a bad name. The Bible even states in Matthew that few people will find the narrow path to heaven... “Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?” Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Matthew 7:21-23 NIV

I will pray for you daily and for Christians in general that they will live up to God's plan.

As for the verse in Matthew that you quoted about conflict, Jesus is trying to tell his followers that being a Christian isn't neccesarrily going to be easy. In the beginning of the chapter, Jesus is warning his disciples and is stating that He must be the most important thing in his followers' lives. Read the whole chapter and you will see what I mean. :)

&quot;For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.&quot; John 3:17-18.

-Mike

PS - As for the original question in this topic. I will definitely thank the Lord the day I harvest my first buck (or doe for that matter).

Edited by - ncbloodhound on 11/17/2002 21:14:44

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NCBloodhound - I wasn't other Christians who drove me away at all. It's just that I chose to think for myself and started asking some tough questions. Well, the only response I got was - HAVE FAITH! .. When I stated I needed more - I was told - HAVE FAITH DAMIT!! ... and it went downhill fro there.

About your JOHN Ch3 quote... may I paraphrase? ... &quot;Do what I say or die!!&quot; That's not what I would call the most pleasant way to gain converts.

The &quot;humble&quot; Jesus said that he was &quot;greater than the temple&quot; (Matt 12:6), &quot;greater than Jonah&quot; (Matthew 12:41), and &quot;greater than Solomon&quot; (Matthew 12:42). He appeared to suffer from a dictator's &quot;paranoia&quot; when he said, &quot;He that is not with me is against me&quot; (Matthew 12:30). Again - does this really sound like an honest socially beneficial organization to belong to?

In reference to your 'do my will' quote. The following quote was responsible for the burning of uunbelievers during the inquisition - &quot;If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.&quot; (John 15:6) Does that qualify for god's will?

You suggested reading the whole chapter for the reference. I can sympathize with you there. That usually is a good idea. I just figured would would follow standard religious elder practice and quote single verses in the context of my choosing. Just as did the religious leaders during the inquisition and as they continue to do today.

I have done a lot of research. Did you know that little in Christianity is original. Most of it is borrowed, just as the celebration of Christmas was borrowed from Roman and earlier pagan times. Even the Discovery channel did a 4 hour about the history of religions.

If you choose to believe because you WANT to - that's kewl! If you believe because you fear an alleged unproved enternal death?


Anyways.... Did ya get any this weekend??? .. Deer that is?


Clark

Houston, TX

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I thank God I can get out of bed in the morning and to hunt and after the hunt and after the harvest and for everything else. An Algonquin friend of mine even gave me some sacred tobacco to spread over the animal and site after the kill as an offering to GOD.

GOD BLESS
Charlie Patrick
Eastern Ontario Guided Adventures http://www3.sympatico.ca/chazpat/wildcanada.html

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Jred I am part blackfoot I the blowing into the deers nose is giving the deer last breath back to him for he gave his last breath for you,and I give him his last meal by putting some grass into his mouth.providing him with food because he is providing me with food.

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JRED, I thank God for everything, including hunt and harvest. I also carry my little pocket New Testament with me. There's something special about early morning in a tree stand reading God's word.
As for JC-1...I feel that he is a very intelligent person and he has seen the unfortunate hypocrisy that exist in mainstream Christianity. Our belief is &quot;faith-based&quot; and it can be difficult to convince a deep thinking non-believer of the importance of salvation. I also believe very few people have been led to or back to Christ with an &quot;arguement&quot;. That is why most of us will continue to pray for JC-1. This comes from compassion that exists in the hearts of true Christians. I certainly do not care to debate with him, because his standards are based on the world's view. Where as mine are based on God's view. It would be a pointless quest.
God bless all,
Bill Moore

RE: THANKING GOD FOR YOUR HARVEST?
 

I agree with tex. but after reading all the post I cant think of why!lol
Oh, yes giving thanks. I have not given them their last meal but I do scatter seed/food where I took the deer so that other animals may gain from its giving of life. I also thank the deer/game for giving of its self to me.
We all have our beliefs, Who am I to say who is right and who is wrong. I guess when we cant hunt anymore we will find out.
Take care.
Rick

Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote.

Edited by - Who on 11/18/2002 12:25:19