Ballistic tip?
 

lookin to try some ballistic tip in my 300 WSM use for PA deer and black bear or do you recommend something else?

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Ive tried the ballistic tips and i dont really like them cause i find they shot funny. At the range ill shot one then ill shot another and its a few inches higher then the next a few inches lower so i think they shot in a wavey type of way.What i use is nosler partitions and they work great and they mushroom perfectly too.

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You'll find a few on the board that like them, personally you couldn't give me a box.

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I dont like them in faster rifles like the 300wsm. Use the accubond. they will be just as accurate and perform better on large game like deer. Trust me. I use the 140 in my 7mm, use the 150 in your 300. it will give you what you want.

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(couldn't resist previous debates....lol).

I like the BT for deer sized game, however I wouldn't suggest them for black bear, tough hide/muscle tissue, big shoulder and shot angles/situation are why. Go with a Nosler Partition orAccubond, Barnes TSX, etc. Better suited for a bear and deer load vs the BT.

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You again! [:@]

Lol, when this topic pops up, expect a couple pennies worth from me and ole skeeter! :D one of us must be sick, we agreed on something..

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I don't like them either for deer especially in a magnum rifle. At high velocities they tend to overexpand and fragment badly. They damage a lot of meat and often don't penetrate that well especially if they hit heavy bone. I have seen them give some spectacular dropped right there kills but god help you if the deer gets back up and runs.Because often they don't exit and no exit hole = no blood trail.

They are usually very accurate though but I would save them for varmits.

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I believe in the Ballistic tip ... I took a 300+ lb WT buck in 04 with a 7mm08 130gr ballistic tip ..it sure did a job on him ..

dd

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mine aint 300lbs but i use the same set up and have seen everyone droop within 5 yards of the shot and that is out of 7 deer broke both shoulders

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Yea, but the velocity of a 7mm-08 and a 7mm mag are very different. The BT's are made for rifles like 7mm-08's and 30-06's. The accubonds are made for the magnums. BT bullets will expand too fast under higher velocity and very well can and will fragment when striking bone. I've had it happen not once, but three times!

This debate is simple really. BT's are designed for rifles shooting under 3000fps or for game theyre designed for with higher velocity. The bonded tipped bullets are the answer to the BT problem under higher velocity. I challenge anyone with a rifle shooting faster than 3100 fps to try a bonded tipped bullet before you try BT's. I think most would find that the vonded bullet goes well high high velocity and big game.

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I have taken 9 elk with the 180gr ballistic tip out of my 300ultramags with a muzzle velocity of 3340fps..

I have taken abouttwo dozendeer,bighorn and pronghorn with the 140gr ballistic tip out of my 7mmstw with a muzzle velocity of 3500fps.

To date,not one bullet failure and not one animal covered 50 yards after being hit.Accuracy in all rifles is 1/2 moa or better.

That being said,I now use the tsx in my 300ultramagsfor elk.Nearly the sameaccuracy and much better penetration on heavy bones.However I still use the 140gr ballistic tip in my 7mmstws for deer sized game.

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As long as you use the heavier per caliber BT's you won't have a problem. The problem with the old bt's was fixed long ago. I have shot about 40 mule deer with them in calibers from the 250 Savage to the 300 Win Mag. Not a single bullet failure. I had a few come apart in the 7 Mag 10 years ago or so. But they have been redesigned so that the lighter ones are made for varmiting and the heavier ones for big game.

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How many we're pass thru? How many we're pass thru with bone contact? J/W.

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I use the 150 bst with my 270 wsm and they shoot great!! all were pass thruogh shots....Great bullets

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Personally I don't prefer ballistic tips, When I first started hunting I shot a moose with a 165 grain ballistic tip at close range with my 30-06 andhit a little far forward hitting the frontleg/shoulder. The bullet exploded upon impact and breaking the one shoulder but had no penetration thus not being a fatal hit which allowed the animal to run. I was fortunateenough totrack and finish the animal but based on this poor experience I will not use the ballistic tip for hunting again. One could argue good shot placement is the key butin any big game animal there is alot of heavy bone and muscle and not always text book shot opportunities or maybe just a little "buck or moose in this case fever" Since then I have used the bonded bullets such as accubond,interbond and sirrocco and have had excellent results with all at long and close range .There plastic tip and boattail design also help withaccuracy as well. But that's just my opinion.

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:eek:- wonder why BT's get the rap they do[:'(]!

All I'll say is fellas/ladies pick the right bullet for the job and you will not be disappointed;). Accuracy is always part of the equation but not the only part, bullet design(intended use)&hunting situation(game, range,etc)should also factor in onwhich bullet to load.

Anthony, 20 plus deer and 4 antelope I have shot with the BT, all but 1 have exited the animal. The one that did not was all my fault as I yanked the shot flush into the shoulder at close range (130/.277), as one would expect the result with this style of bullet was very fast expansion which led to reduced penetration. The shoulder was broken but knowing I screwed up I stayed off the animal and let him set up. I tagged my whitetail buck with no troubles as the bullet did enough to take out one lung via bone/bullet frags and produced a good trail. Shooter failure not bullet!

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I would say that about 3/4 of the ballistic tips exited.It should be noted that there are great differences between ballistic tips even in the same caliber.For instance the jacket on the 180gr .308" ballistic tip has been thickened several times and it is much thicker than that of the 165gr .308" ballistic tip.I have sectioned old 180ballistic tips,new ones and the 180gr accubond and the new 180gr ballistic tip has the same jacket thickness as the accubond.The very old ones have a jacket about half as thick towards the rear of the bullet.These differences are what causes much of the confusion surrounding the ballistic tip.The newer ballistic tips are a much different bullet than the earlier versions,but many people still don't trust them because of experiences with the early versions.

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I'm one of the ones who had trouble with the earlier ones:DI'm afraid to try them again. I take quartering shots thru shoulders sometimes and hit bone at times. If the new BT's in the heavier cal bullets are thickened up now then I'd say theyll work fine. I use smaller weight foe cal bulllets so I think I'll hold on to the accubond. The only difference between accubons and BT is that the jacket on the accubond is molecularly bonded to the core to prevent core/jacket separation. The BT is not bonded the same way, but for example, you will get sililar results with a 140 accubond or 160 BT in a 7mm. With the 160 BT probably leaving a wider path. :D

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The faster moving 140gr accubond will still expand very rapidly,it will just hold together better.As such,it could leave an even larger wound channel than the slower moving 160gr bullet.By the way nosler doesn't make a 160 gr ballistic tip.:D

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My brother uses the Win Supreme 168gr BST, and man...it does a job on deer like no other!

I've used 45-70, 44 mag, 270, 7 mag, 30-30, 30-08, 308, 50 Cal Muzzle Loader and 12 ga, and the 30-06 168 BST always outperforms all the others

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They don't? :DThey make a 160 accubond don't they? They should make one shouldnt they?

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I stopped using ballistic tip bullets for my 7mm rem mag. I used them one season for whitetails. 150 Federal Premiums. They dropped deer in their tracks. Not one took a step. The only problem was the deer were destroyed. It was jello about 18in in diameter around the entrance hole. The exit hole was about 1 1/2in. One buck I shot the whole front half of the deer was wasted. I think they work a little too well, and out of a 300WSM they would be devastating.

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I have used 165 grain ballistic tips on 6 whitetail and they all dropped right away or traveled less than 25 yards. Only 1 pass though shot and each deer had a lot of destroyed meat. They are highly frangible and most of them were exploded into about 10 pieces. I would not use them on an animal much heavier than a whitetail. Just my results from a small sample of animals. Rich

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My experiences with Rem. 165 gr ballistic tips in my '06 have been good but also a little troubling. Accuracy has been excellent. 3 deer taken at ranges of 100, 140 and 260 yards were all one shot kills with two beingbehind the shouldercomplete pass throughs andthe 140 was a neck shot from behind that dropped him in his tracks.Last Sunday, I shot a bear at 40 yards right behind the shoulder. The beardropped in its tracksbut the entrance hole was the size of a softball andpart of the shoulder was wasted from the bulletfragmenting. I'm going to usethebullets I have this year for deer but will beswitching next year.