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10,000 acres or 20 acres, the deer are still penned up. That is a lot of land, but I think of it as a canned hunt. If it has fences, the deer aren't free to roam, thus making it a shooting gallery, in my mind. But that's just what I think.
~Cody

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If they need to kill 200+ does the fence is pretty high and 10,000 acres is alot of land.Considering a does home range is "about" 200 acres and a bucks "about" 600 acres when not in rut i would consider it fair chase.Ever chased a whitetail across 10,000 acres.That would be one hell of a stroll.Opinions are gonna vary so i just gave mine.I only wish could do that sort of thing.

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Sounds like an over populated herd that needs to be culled. That's a large piece of real estate, kinda hard to corner one.

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i think its partially canned.

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There aint a dang thing wrong with what you just described regards to the property and whether it is a legitimate hunt.
Large scale fencing is a legitimate tool to manage one's property, I'd bet that half the people that complain about fencing have fenced in back yards. You may not be hunting in your backyard but you are "managing" your property from unwanted intruders, same as the owner of a hunting preserve. I wonder how many anti-fencers actually hunt lease land verses public land? Or land surrounded by a dog hunting club? Until you put your $$ down on a deer lease and then see some poacher/trespasser encroaching on you and what you are trying to accomplish then you should reserve judgement on things that you have no knowledge of.
I hunt a club that has 3 seperate parcels of land. One parcel is 1400 acres and I gaurantee you that if it was fenced it wouldn't help me one bit to harvest a deer. It sure would be nice to keep the trespassers and dog hunters from coming on the property though.
There has to be some minimum acreage requirements though, how many I don't know for sure, maybe 1000. In SC there was recent discussions by the wildlife dept. regards to high fencing and for the time being it has been decided that it's not something that will be done in the state. That's okay with me, no problem at all. The only reason I responded to this thread is because I grow weary of some of our friends here on the board calling a fenced, 10,000 acre hunting preserve a canned hunt. To those that think this I can only smile and shake my head, how naive you are.

Mark in SC

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Well those fences keep some of those "Good Ole Boys" off your property so they dont feal the need to sneek off a shot over the fence line and if they do I hope they have strong backs. Id also have to make a consideration of how high the fence is in the first place. Ive seen some bucks jump some pretty high ones, but usually the result is an all of a sudden halt on their breeding abilities.

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A 10000 acre ranch is a region!

That is one big chunk of property......I don't think any of us can really answer this question with authority.

I certainly wouldn't want to guarantee anyone they would kill a trophy inside an area that large.

Interesting topic, bgidd.

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10,000 acres,canned hunt "no way" I hunt a club of 20,000 acres and have for the past 15 years and still have no been on all of it.as for the fences,if it was mine and could afford it I would put up the fence.with out it you can not control the trasspassers.some people just can't read when it says posted.
tell your brother-in-law to go for it,and don't worry what some people say.


I am not a hunter I am a whitetail population reduction specialest

remember keep your back to the sun, your knife sharp, and your powder dry.

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People that have huge hunks of land for hunting ,fence the area more to keep out unwanted hunters then to intrap the deer for there shooting pleasure. Untill some of you actually hunted these type states you wouldn't understand. If you had a 10,000 acre money tree farm would you fence it? Thats what that property is to the owners a income a livelyhood. Im not saying paying someone to hunt there property is for everyone ,but if it was your occupation Im sure you would not want someone stealing it from you.I'm commenting because I have hunted 10,000 acres of fenced property in Texas and I never seen the fence and did not even get the size deer I wanted,went home empty handed.When you go away tonight leave your house doors wide open so everyone that drives by can see all your neat stuff inside. But when it is stolen dont complain. Thats what your asking the owners of quality deer property to do with out fences around a 10,000 acre ranch.I think if you had millions invested in the property and 1000's of hours spent building a quality deer herd you wouldn't let it open for people to rape.

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Is it a canned hunt? No. In a canned hunt, all 4 of the hunters would have killed out. Canned hunts are guaranteed kill.

Is it a fair chase hunt? Absolutely, we are talking about over 15 square miles of land and you should see the brush in South Texas.

This hunt is legal and ethical. Anybody who would have a problem with this being a fair chase hunt better get out of their ivory tower (or tower of envy).

The only legitimate complaint someone might have is that the state of Texas (the people) do own the deer and does a landowner have the right to fence in public property. However, the property right laws back the landowner on this one.

I would never, ever go on a canned hunt. However, if this ranch invites me to go hunting, I'm going!

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yes....the deer are fenced in...you paid big bucks to hunt the land...the land wasnt hunted in 8 years...you guys shot tiny bucks if the land wasnt hunted AT ALL in 8 years...there would be bucks dying every year from old age! and monsters everywhere!!!i think they lied...if you guys only seen 10pts and less..the land owners had to get big bucks each year...or you didnt have to hunt hard for your deer

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Pope and Young club Fair Chase rule #3
No animal taken behind the confines of a fence shall be considered fair chase.

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I don't call anything behind a fence hunting, but harvesting. Doesn't matter how many acres there are. If that deer wants to be on the other side of that fence and can't then I ain't gonna hunt after the animal because it's not fair chase.
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For those who think this is a canned hunt, my question is "do you even realize what 10,000 acres is?"
It is about 15 square miles, I'll say it again, f-i-f-t-e-e-n s-q-u-a--r-e m-i-l-e-s!
That is not exactly a feeder pen!
The main reason for the fence is to keep out the freebies. There is a lot of money invested in these ranches so, yes it is a big business. However the main reason that they are able to kill that many deer is not because of the fence, but because South Texas and the Texas Hill Country regions produce that many deer.
I have not had the money or the opportunity to hunt any of these ranches, but I would not condemn those who can afford to hunt these places. There is a big difference between a canned hunt and a fenced hunting ranch! As hunters we should stick together, instead of condemn other peoples hunting methods just because they are not the same methods we use. If it is legal, then it isn't an ethical issue!

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Don't really care what B&C or P&Y think about it. Anyone who has hunted in south Texas would realize that this would have to be a fair chase hunt.

How about this scenerio which may be closer to what you guys know of. Lets say there is a patch of woods that is 200 acres surrounded by cut fields (very little cover) for 2 miles in any direction. You set up standers around the patch of woods and send drivers into the woods. I guarantee you that this hunt would be less "fair chase" than the hunt described above. Maybe B&C and P&Y should consider not accepting deer taken in this manner.

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What do you consider fenced in? How high are the fences? Deer can jump pretty high if they want to. As far as it not being hunted, that is something I look for when I hunt. I want little or no pressure where I hunt. I am sure people don't hunt public land because they want to, it's because they don't have a choice. And 10,000 acres is a huge amount of area. It has been proven that deer do not roam as much as we think they do. If they have what they need and want they are content to stay close to home. Especially the big older ones. If they feel safe were they are at they won't go mosying around where they have never been, especially if they have been shot at before.

Just my opinion.

I don't agree with paying someone to hunt their land though.

Paul

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The fences are usually 8 ft and while a whitetail could possible jump one, it would be very unusual.

How bout it guys? Is pushing a 200 acre patch of woods a "fair chase" hunt?

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I wouldn't personally pay to hunt that area, but 10 000 acres is pretty large.I call that managed land.Who's tending to the fence?Sounds like a year round job for a crew of five.:)