A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
02-01-2006 | 04:37 PM
#61
Dominant Buck
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: On an Island in Paradise
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
OK six pages so far and the post count is still going up. I have quickly read the posts and can see a common theme here. Most if not all of us are disgusted with the type blood sport called canned hunting. There is absolutely nothing sporting or ethical about picking out your trophy in a book and going to a feeder behind a fence to kill the animal. Fair chase is more than a saying and it means that the animal has a chance to get away. There is no fair chase while hunting behind a fence. It is like shooting cows in a pasture and no moral person would justify this even if it was for a trophy rack. Six pages and everyone is aiming at the same target. This must be a record. I will close with this thought. Several good members of this forum have had to leave over the canned hunt issue. Some have boycotted in protest over site advertisers that have canned hunting operations and some have been booted because they wouldn't stop talking about it. I think HNI is a serious business and it offers something for most sports persons. "Canned Hunting" isn't hunting and IMO shouldn't be condoned by anyone for a variety of reasons. Most states are now prohibiting the operations because of abuses similar to those depicted on this thread. The threat of spreading CWD and other assorted respiratory diseasesare also troubling the biologists who are concerned with feeders on these farms. Times change and with enough focus perhaps even HNI will not legitimize these businesses.
02-01-2006 | 04:48 PM
#62
Typical Buck
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 547
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From: Starlight, Indiana
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
Jimmy Houston must have lost his mind, I hope all of his sponsers drop him. He was in clarksville indiana in november when Bass Pro Shops opened, wonder if he left there and went "hunting". I think that people need to circulate the video to anyone who hunts and to hhis sponsers. I will not listen to Brooks and Dunn anymore either. Kevin where in Indiana is Peru or Miami county?
02-01-2006 | 06:11 PM
#64
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 220
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From: Taunton MA USA
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
ORIGINAL: Jack Ryan
THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WONDER ABOUTand what thanks do they get for it? They are accused of being antis, PETA freaks, and worse. The officers have their name drug through the mud by these shooting zoo operators repeatedly. At least one of them smeared and slandered practicly to the day she died of breast cancer by canned hunt operators who would DESTROY HUNTING with this ignorant crap if they could make a dollar off it.
ORIGINAL: MassBowhunter
I've already posted my disgust about what was seen in the video but I have a question that relates to it. Where are all these hunting and conservation groups we've all pumped money into at one time or another when a situation like this arises? Shouldn't they be on the front lines along with the states and the feds trying to shut down this kind of garbage? If they truly want to protect the future of our huntingshouldn't theybe doing everything they can toput a stopto the very things that jeopardize the future of hunting? These actionssend the wrong message about the hunting industry in general for generations to come so shouldn't taking a stand against this type of thing be a major consideration in their attempts to "protect and preserve" our hunting rights for generations to come? Free gifts and stickers are nice but I think the money could be put to better use like investigating and stopping this kind of thing. I have a hard time believing thatnone of these groups are aware that this type of garbage, that can easily push people to the other side of the fence,is going on all over the country.
My apologies toany of the groups doing more than just printing a story about it in their monthly magazines.
Keep in mind that my thoughts are targeted at the groups, not the members.
Sorry to get OT.
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I've already posted my disgust about what was seen in the video but I have a question that relates to it. Where are all these hunting and conservation groups we've all pumped money into at one time or another when a situation like this arises? Shouldn't they be on the front lines along with the states and the feds trying to shut down this kind of garbage? If they truly want to protect the future of our huntingshouldn't theybe doing everything they can toput a stopto the very things that jeopardize the future of hunting? These actionssend the wrong message about the hunting industry in general for generations to come so shouldn't taking a stand against this type of thing be a major consideration in their attempts to "protect and preserve" our hunting rights for generations to come? Free gifts and stickers are nice but I think the money could be put to better use like investigating and stopping this kind of thing. I have a hard time believing thatnone of these groups are aware that this type of garbage, that can easily push people to the other side of the fence,is going on all over the country.
My apologies toany of the groups doing more than just printing a story about it in their monthly magazines.
Keep in mind that my thoughts are targeted at the groups, not the members.
Sorry to get OT.
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I'm not talking about game wardens, conservation officers, etc. I'm talking about national hunting organizations/clubs that many of us have joined over the years. I'm a member of several national organizations and find myself reading more articles in their mags about what state and federal officials are doing in state x to protecthunting rather thanreading about what the club I'm paying my dues to every year has done. My point is I'd like to see the organizations step up and stand on the front lines with the game wardens, conservation officers, etc. instead of just reporting about it.
02-01-2006 | 10:56 PM
#65
Typical Buck
Joined: Aug 2004
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RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
ORIGINAL: MassBowhunter
Who is "they" and what are they doing? Either you didn't understand my post or I'm not understanding your reply.
I'm not talking about game wardens, conservation officers, etc. I'm talking about national hunting organizations/clubs that many of us have joined over the years.
Who is "they" and what are they doing? Either you didn't understand my post or I'm not understanding your reply.
I'm not talking about game wardens, conservation officers, etc. I'm talking about national hunting organizations/clubs that many of us have joined over the years.
Don't know about the larger national groups, sorry for the confusion. If you are a member perhaps that would be a good question to ask them.
I'm a member of several national organizations and find myself reading more articles in their mags about what state and federal officials are doing in state x to protecthunting rather thanreading about what the club I'm paying my dues to every year has done. My point is I'd like to see the organizations step up and stand on the front lines with the game wardens, conservation officers, etc. instead of just reporting about it.
02-02-2006 | 08:16 AM
#66
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: jacksonville illinois USA
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
i was reading jimmys site and came across this. i made me laugh. i will highlight the good parts
"Since 1976 Jimmy has been entertaining and educating folks that love the outdoors. He is best known for his blonde lockes and trademark laugh. If it is tempting largemouth in Florida, enticing peacocks in South America, catching crappie on Lake Tenkiller or trying to outsmart the elusive wite tail buck in Indiana, Jimmy strives to make you feel like you're right there in the boat or tree stand with him."
i wish i had his email. i know this post he will never read.
"Since 1976 Jimmy has been entertaining and educating folks that love the outdoors. He is best known for his blonde lockes and trademark laugh. If it is tempting largemouth in Florida, enticing peacocks in South America, catching crappie on Lake Tenkiller or trying to outsmart the elusive wite tail buck in Indiana, Jimmy strives to make you feel like you're right there in the boat or tree stand with him."
i wish i had his email. i know this post he will never read.
02-02-2006 | 11:05 AM
#67
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: palm bay fl
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
ORIGINAL: duckdog132
trying to outsmart the elusive wite tail buck in Indiana, Jimmy strives to make you feel like you're right there in the boat or tree stand with him."
trying to outsmart the elusive wite tail buck in Indiana, Jimmy strives to make you feel like you're right there in the boat or tree stand with him."
02-02-2006 | 11:37 AM
#68
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,320
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From: collin county, TX
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
OK, here goes nothing.
The activities shown on these videos are a direct
result of the very 1st SCORE on agame animal.
It will continue because hunting is now a SPORT.
A SPORT is based on competition. There must be
a SCORE in the end and the player with the highest
SCORE gets the accolades, chest puffing rights and
EGO stroking.From # of points to inches of spread
to mass on antlers. When these are the focus and
goal of hunting we should'nt act surprised when some
use means of reaching their goals different from our own.
As for the question of why are'nt theorganizations
thattake in membership dues doing more to stop these
type activities? $$$$$$$$$$$$
Membership dues MIGHT pay for their postage. The real
money comes from the same people/groups that are using
and staging the activities on the videos. Are they going
to step on those toes? NO WAY!!
Obviously no "answers" here, just pessimism for how
hunting will be in the future. As our game wardens
become "trophy police" (see antler restrictions) and
hunting opportunities continue to become a matter
of financial wealth (see lease costs & videos) hunting
here may very well end up like it has been in much of
Europe, reserved for the wealthy elite.
Sorry for the downer post, like I said I'm pessimistic
on this issue.
God bless
PK
edited for spelling, hope I got 'em all.
PK
The activities shown on these videos are a direct
result of the very 1st SCORE on agame animal.
It will continue because hunting is now a SPORT.
A SPORT is based on competition. There must be
a SCORE in the end and the player with the highest
SCORE gets the accolades, chest puffing rights and
EGO stroking.From # of points to inches of spread
to mass on antlers. When these are the focus and
goal of hunting we should'nt act surprised when some
use means of reaching their goals different from our own.
As for the question of why are'nt theorganizations
thattake in membership dues doing more to stop these
type activities? $$$$$$$$$$$$
Membership dues MIGHT pay for their postage. The real
money comes from the same people/groups that are using
and staging the activities on the videos. Are they going
to step on those toes? NO WAY!!
Obviously no "answers" here, just pessimism for how
hunting will be in the future. As our game wardens
become "trophy police" (see antler restrictions) and
hunting opportunities continue to become a matter
of financial wealth (see lease costs & videos) hunting
here may very well end up like it has been in much of
Europe, reserved for the wealthy elite.
Sorry for the downer post, like I said I'm pessimistic
on this issue.
God bless
PK
edited for spelling, hope I got 'em all.
PK
02-02-2006 | 12:14 PM
#69
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,939
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From: a van down by the river
RE: A MUST SEE FOR ALL HUNTERS !!!!!
ORIGINAL: kevin1
Further investigation of both Bellar's Place and the other canned ranches statewide is still being conducted , and it has so far come to light that Bellar was only the most egregious violater , not the only one . The practices conducted at Bellar's Place were actually fairly representative of the others , which is why they are being banned here . BTW , whether owned or wild a whitetailed deer in Indiana is considered a game animal , not livestock , and is subject to our game laws . The Lacey Act is never invoked for shooting a cow .
Further investigation of both Bellar's Place and the other canned ranches statewide is still being conducted , and it has so far come to light that Bellar was only the most egregious violater , not the only one . The practices conducted at Bellar's Place were actually fairly representative of the others , which is why they are being banned here . BTW , whether owned or wild a whitetailed deer in Indiana is considered a game animal , not livestock , and is subject to our game laws . The Lacey Act is never invoked for shooting a cow .
