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m.t.hands 12-23-2005 08:15 AM

sticky situation (check all that apply)
 
you are driving home one night in march when you see a women stopped on the side of the road, you stop to offer help and find out that she has hit a deer, you go back a couple of hundred yards and find the deer with the aid of your headlights, it has been run over/hit in the hind quarter area, it is trying to get up and flee but is so broken up nothing is working very well, at one point the deer is dragging itself with nothing but its front legs. myself i would put the deer out of its misery, just wondering what everbody else approach to this would be, by the way i have done this, i have also freed deer from fences, and rescued injured fawns during haying times, sometimes things happen beyond our control, but when you can do something about it what do you do? BTW i think what i do is the right thing;)

Lefty26 12-23-2005 09:01 AM

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I opted for the knife to put the deer down, nice and quiet. I know some people will say a deer will kick your a$$ if you try to get close enough with a knife but I have done it and it works, caution must be used though. I also voted for try to get a date with the women, in any circumstance thisis a goodidea.....unless the wife is riding in vehicle with you.:D:D

NEB.BuckHunter 12-23-2005 09:10 AM

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I opted for the authorities and game warden, although I don't know how long I would be able to watch it suffer without trying to do something.

Lanse couche couche 12-23-2005 09:24 AM

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Well, the law in Illinois requires you to report the incident, and the deer belongs to the person who hit it. In a perfect world, you could cell phone the game warden and he would dash up to the scene in minutes to dispatch it.
More than likely, it will take much more time for anyone to arrive. You have to also consider that in some counties, multiple incidents like this occur on almost a nightly basis. So, getting anyone other than a bored police deputy out there that evening might be a problem as well. However, I would make a reasonable effort to contact a game warden and get them out there. And by the time he arrives, the deer is out of its misery and my tire iron is back behind my truck seat. And the next day, the lady and I are grilling backstrap and sipping red wine....

longrifle1000 12-23-2005 09:27 AM

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Well, the law in Illinois requires you to report the incident, and the deer belongs to the person who hit it. In a perfect world, you could cell phone the game warden and he would dash up to the scene in minutes to dispatch it.
More than likely, it will take much more time for anyone to arrive. You have to also consider that in some counties, multiple incidents like this occur on almost a nightly basis. So, getting anyone other than a bored police deputy out there that evening might be a problem as well. However, I would make a reasonable effort to contact a game warden and get them out there. And by the time he arrives, the deer is out of its misery and my tire iron is back behind my truck seat. And the next day, the lady and I are grilling backstrap and sipping red wine....
Well, then you just broke the law in Illinois. You can not put down a deer injured by a vehicle.

Now, even though it is "Illegal", and you could be fined, isn't it the right thing to do?

Lanse couche couche 12-23-2005 09:37 AM

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Technically, I think that it would be illegal for even a police officer to dispath the deer without explicit approval from a wildlife official, but it happens....and for the exact reason you described.

To be quite frank, this happens constantly. My local newspaper now includes a special section just to report deer accidents. As this becomes more and more of a problem, i would assume that wildlife officials may be assuming a much less stringent policy on this. So, I think we have again ventured into the gray area that I am sure others will soon be arguing does not exist.

Rebel Hog 12-23-2005 09:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche

Technically, I think that it would be illegal for even a police officer to dispath the deer without explicit approval from a wildlife official


Yep! That's the way it's here in FL! If the cop were to pull and shoot his gun while on duty, he will have a 6 page report on it.

Reefdonkey 12-23-2005 09:44 AM

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I would put the deer down by the quickest and safest means available and the call both the highway patrol and the game warden. If that meant shooting the animal after legal hunting hours then so be it and I would take the punishment (if any) that the authorities saw fit to dish out. I know that those of you on the radical fringe will call me a poacher, but whatever. I was raised to do what is right and if you believe that letting an animal whose fate is sealed lie suffering on the side of the road is right so that you do not break the law...well then your opinion of me is not really going to factor into how I determine my self-worth. It is probably a moot point anyway as I don't make a habit of carrying a gun unless I am hunting. Just my take.

Merry Christmas to all and hunt safe and good luck.

longrifle1000 12-23-2005 09:56 AM

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Technically, I think that it would be illegal for even a police officer to dispath the deer without explicit approval from a wildlife official, but it happens....and for the exact reason you described.
All the officer does is call the conservation police dispatcher and inform them. But, my point was, and is, that sometime doing the "right" thing, leaving the animal to suffer, is not the right thing to do.

NY Bowhunter 12-23-2005 10:15 AM

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What does she look like?

James B 12-23-2005 10:24 AM

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I voted call authorities. Its tempting to take care of this yourself but you would risk legal problems and maybe loss of your hunting rights to kill the deer.

Chuck7 12-23-2005 10:28 AM

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Hey Keith,
I would use the knife seeing I don't always have a firearm.
Chuck7

Paul L Mohr 12-23-2005 11:32 AM

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I would kill the deer with a knife. I have done it three times already. Two times the people hit one and stopped and didn't know what to do. The third someone hit one, stopped and kept going leaving the deer in the middle of the road trying to get up. I drug it off the road and killed it with a knife. When I was sure it was dead I got in my car and left. I don't have a cell phone or I probably would have called the sherrif and reported it.

The two times when the other people stopped one was a women and the other was a guy. Neither had a means of killing the animal so I did it for them. In both cases I left it up to the peole that hit the deer to call the police, if they don't want them involved it's none of my buiseness. The lady destroyed her car so she called 911 and I waited with her until someone showed up. They guy said he was going to call to see if he could keep the deer, I left because he was fine and his truck was drivable.

I carry a SOG sealpup in my trunk just for this purpose because there are so many deer/car accidents in my area.

Paul

Oh, I don't know if what I did was legal or not, but the one time the police came they had no problem with it and thanked me for helping the lady and getting the deer out of the road.

zrexpilot 12-23-2005 12:31 PM

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I'd put the deer down anyway I could at the time, and call no one. Leave it where it lays.
Then comfort the little gal.

Pawildman 12-23-2005 01:07 PM

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Put the deer down by whatever means it takes. Get it off the road. Ask the woman if there is anything she wishes you to do for her, and if she is going to report it to the authorities. You've done about all you can. Just use some good, common sense. ( I'll probably be hearing about THAT line----)

m.t.hands 12-23-2005 01:08 PM

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What does she look like?
its always important to always ask the right questions

good answers guys, i have put a few down, the first one i called the game warden, BTW i know him and we only have 2 gw's in this county. he asked if there was anything i felt i could do, he gave me permission, i also used a knife. i have used a gun also though. one way to get the authorities there quickly tell them how big of a buck it is, once traveling thru mississippi a guy in front of my creamed a big 10 point, i called the state troopers because the guy that hit it didn't have a cell phone and it ruined his little car, caved the roofline down, and the state trooper ask if it was a buck or doe?:eek:, i told him it was a huge buck, he was there in less than 5 min. gw less than 10 along with 2 sherrifs deputies;), so if you cant do it yourself when you call make sure they understand its the biggest buck you've ever seen;)

Rebel Hog 12-23-2005 01:15 PM

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:D:D:D:Dsticky situation (check all that apply)

I quess this implies......Stickum!:D:D:D:D

saltflat 12-23-2005 01:20 PM

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Man thats a hard one. I would use a knife but I would feel so bad after words. You also would have to deal with the lady that hit the deer she would probably think you killing the deer with a knife is wrong and inhumane.

tschaef 12-23-2005 01:24 PM

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I would definitely make the phone call and try to get the go aheadbefore putting it down, especially at night. Without the permission you could be in big trouble up here. I'd also try to get the date (if she was purty).

m.t.hands 12-23-2005 01:33 PM

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salt great point, the first time i did it the women was crying like crazy, she was 150-200 yrds past the deer, at that time i'm kinda glad i had a knife instead of a gun, i walked back up to the car and assured her that the deer was dead, she was shaking like a leaf, she did not have to witness any of it, i called her dad, him and his wife came and drove the two vehichles away, not really sure what effect shooting the deer would have had on her[&o], but IMO i feel most people don't want to see any animal suffer anymore than it has too.......

BTW i know this is a tough one, as i have done it a few times, not something you enjoy but sometimes needs to be done for the sanity of all involved, just think about how much worse you would feel if you left the deer struggleing to flee, and dying a slow and painful death, as in hunting and any other life lesson, that involves life and death, you would try to make it as quick, ethical, practical as possible, at this point you'd be doing all involved a favor;)again this is just MHO

trailer 12-23-2005 01:42 PM

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I would take care of business with a knife, drag the animal to the side and ask her if she was ok and go on my way.

We had a situation quite a few years back where as some fellow hit 6 cows on the road as we were going deer hunting. My uncle ended up shooting all 6 cows and the officer had thanked us for it. He said he would have had to write a report with lots of paper work and said this was the simplest way.;)

hillbillyhunter1 12-23-2005 03:35 PM

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I would expalin to the lady what I was about to do (not in detail), and try to get her to understand that it would be the best thing for the already injured animal and then take care of it as efficiently as possible with whatever possible. If for some ungodly reason the lady objected to what I was about to do--to dam bad--I'll have self apponted operational command of the scene as far as saving any animal from further misery--until someone with a badge shows up to also do that very thing

My Dad and I were traveling a back road coming back from building a tree stand on our property and a small deer (obviously hit) was struggling bad in the middle of the road. The car that hit him must have just driven away (no where to be seen). I pulled overand had to finish him with a 4lb hammer I was using earlier to drive spikes in a tree (had nothing else). A couple cars passed with the people craning their necks--Hey, I had to do it. I'm sure most would have understood.

Paul L Mohr 12-23-2005 04:23 PM

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When I did it the lady wanted me to do it, and I also explained what I was going to do and that it take a few minutes for the deer to die. She didn't mind. I like to do it thru the lungs because there is less blood that way.

I don't think I would shoot one, you might get in trouble for that around here. I might if there was a cop there and he told me I could though.

Never thought about a large hammer, it's pretty effective on livestock, why not a deer?

Paul

dvdegeorge 12-23-2005 05:04 PM

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Had this happen 3 times,all 3 times I took care of it.1st timewas a couple years ago in May and the woman was crying and begging me to put the deer down I explained it was illegal but after watching the deer suffer and her telling me that her pastor was coming back with a .22 I dispatched the deer with my 7mm08 pistol.Second time was also a couple years back in November and anther women was frantic and crying watching the deer fail in pain the park warden was on sight and the police were called but 45 min. had elaped,I went home 1 mile away and retreived my bow and dipatched the deer,I told the park warden that if need be I had a tag for that area.He said go ahead and shortly after the police arrived,the park warden told me to just leave and say nothing to the police and thanked me.There was a couple young men that wanted the deer so the police let them take it,A shame cause it was a 2 1/2 year old 10 point.3rd insident was this past Oct coming home from hunting saw a deer 10 feet off the road back end all busted up,I called the police and waited,and waited,and then 35 min. later a women in a mini van pulled up and said she hit the deer and thought it was alright I told her politely it wasn't and needed to be put down and I had called the police.She said she was at the next corner with them filling out an accident report and they left and never even came to check.I waited another 20 min. and could no longer take the deer flailing and panting and drooling at the mouth.When traffic was clear in both directions I got my bow and dipatched the deer,it was dead in 5 sec.I drove past the next AM and the deer was still laying there!What was stated earlier is true the police don't wan't to fire their service revolver because of all the paper work.Some times ethics and humane treatment of animals doesn't always jive with the law.

whitetailblaster 12-23-2005 05:57 PM

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I'd get the date

WrackMaster 12-23-2005 06:43 PM

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Clipping across a cut cornfield one night on snowmobiles, the guy 2 sleds in front of me nailed a doe.Both rear legs broken.I had my brother stand on the front legs while I cut her throat with my pocket knife.
Then we called the law.

Rhody Hunter 12-23-2005 07:38 PM

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This happened to me last year.The 3 foot pry bar in my truck got the job done fast.I'm not waiting for someone to show up.don't let it suffer ,end it quick


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