Chia Vang!
 

The Minnesota man convicted of murdering six Wisconsin deer hunters last November plans to appeal.

A judge sentenced Chai Vang to six consecutive terms of life in prison without ANY posibility ofparole Tuesday (11/8/05).
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In September, Vang was found guilty of six counts of murder and three of attempted murder for the shootings near Hayward.

The surviving victims say Vang opened fire after they tried to kick him of private property. He has claimed that he shot in self-defense after the hunters shouted racial slurs at him.


LET HIM ROT!

RE: Chia Vang!
 

P.O.S.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Take this guy out back and shoot him.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

if he doesnt end up with the death penalty i hope big bubba shoves a[male anatomical body part]up his[body orifice]so far that it explodes all his[bleep] internal organs. killed 6 people and they give him "6 consecutive life sentences" as if thats any different from one life sentence. god our judicial system is screwed up.

[I was requested to clean this post up.]

RE: Chia Vang!
 

It's more a statement to the relatives, knowing he got life for their loss.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I think they should put him in a deer suit and make him run thru the woods on rifle opener in WISCONSIN!

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I second that.

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I second this.

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and put a big 12 pointer 170" rack on his head

RE: Chia Vang!
 

[edited out violent homoerotic statement]

Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty so the system actually workedperfectly so farin this case. He got his day in court. It was pretty quick (a year from incident to sentancing). It gave him the maximum penalty possible and it is guaranteed he will die in prison. Not debating the death penalty because that's a political question, not a question of the judicial system. I don't understand how is the Wis. judicial system screwed up in this case.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I say an eye for an eye but that is just my opinion

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I used to think the same but am starting to re-think it forvarious reasons. I certainly understand capital punishment and don't have any heart burn with people who don't share my opinion and am happy with the political process determining whether a state has it or not. But, like I said, that's a political or philosophical question. I was just commenting that the reality is that WI doesn't have a death penalty, so the system worked perfectly in this horrible case. I don't think they could have given him a harsher (or fairer) punishment and couldn't have done it much quicker.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

hang im' high let him swang till the sun goes down......

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I was very glad to read about this in yesterday's paper. Other than the death penalty, I think he got what he deserved.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

It's not a justice system anymore, it's a lawyer system. My personal belief is that if you take a life / lives like this vermin scum did, you pay the penalty with your life in a prompt manner. It just fascinates me to no end how there is always a lawyer willing to defend some perp no matter how morally repugnant they are.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Im down with that. It only happend maybe an hour and a half from me.

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In Minnesota now, they are actually supporting the whole thing..they have Chai Vang day now..also know as "bring a mung hunting" day.

I'm sure I'll catch some greif, but come on, its funny, and a guy in Minnesota told me that when I was up Bear hunting, so I'm just relaying the joke.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

So you don't believe everyone accused of a crime desearves his day in court and doesn't desearve a decent defense? You think the government should decide who is guilty without the person defending himself? Yes, let's all trust the copsand prosecutors to do the right thing!

Who's going to defend the person if not a lawyer. I think that people who blame everyting on lawyers don't think things through very much or have some head in the sand, alice in wonderland opinion that every crime is cut and dried and everyone arrested or indicted is guilty.

No I'm not a lawyer, but have been defended against an injust accusation by one. The scum bag prosecutor and cop, based ontheir comments, thought I should have just been found guilty and fined, no ifs and or buts. Turns out he was wrong. Damn lawyer who defended me, what a leech dirtbag! (If you ask me, the prosecutors are dirtbags just as often). Just my opinion.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I see the situation for what it was. Vang killed 6 people, no one else did it, he did. He should pay for this murderous rampage with his life. Don't try and preach some B.S. here about him getting a fair trial or some other type of liberal crap. HE DID IT! The bottom line is that a crime like this is not capable of being defended, a lawyer can only lessen the serverity of the sentence. I'm sure that most people on this board would like to see Vang not live another day. If that bothers you then you need to see the situation for what it was. Don't be the devils advocate just for the hell of it.[X(]

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Zek....I'm with ya. Wether or not someone is guilty or innocent, they deserve to have their day in court AND be allowed to defend themselves against any and all accusations no matter what. Prosecutors are scum. Cops are scum. And MANY innocent people are run thru the ringer every day in this country by the latter. Thank God we have lawyers to defend our rights because if we didn't....I don't even want to think about that.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I think they should bring him down here to Alabama ... let him loose in the woods around Demoplis... I bet some of our "good ol'e boy's" could make him squeel like a pig !

MASS RULES
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RE: Chia Vang!
 

I think he(chai) deserve what the court gave him for killing six hunters. BUt if I was in his shoe at the time i would of done the same thing. He(Chai) did say that the first guy/owner told him to leave the property and he(chai) did, even apoligize. But the owner didn't except that and had his(owner) friends/parties came and surrounded Chai and started saying racial slurs and all the other stuff you would say to a person when you are piss and after he(chai) walk off, Chai heard one shot behind him after that, hell broke lose. What would you do if you were in his shoe and bunch of minority surrounded you and started calling you racial slurs and shot once at you, you would be scared to death too and thought your life is at risk. Yes, he did trasspass onto private land,does that give you (the owner)the right to disrespect the man that tresspass. If you disrespect a man in the woods and start some kind of bulls with him you better be ready toback it up with you life espacailly in the woods.I believe there is a saying for that: if you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk. I own 200 acres of land in minnesota and seen tons of hunters tresspass every yearand I don't disrepect any of them. I just tell them that they are tresspassingon private landand they just head the other way they came. If you tell them (hunters) nicely that it's private land and is tresspassingthe hunterswounldn't be mad and take it personally. The way that the wisconsin hunters did or sayto Chai was not worth their life. I think this is an example for everybody to learn from, people should respect each other regardless of race. We as good citizen of the United States should get along with each other regardless of raceso our examples will teach our childrenfor the futures to come.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Oh come on: you were saying he didn't deserve to be defended. You were basically saying that defense lawyers are nothing but worthless. I say that is pure BS. You can be a sheep and trust big brother government to make the right decision, i will not.

Incidently, I happen to agreee, from what I've read, that Vang was guilty as hell and I'm glad they punished him to the full extent of the law. But to say that he didn't deserve a defense and that there's no legitimate place for defense lawyers - if you feel that way, you deserve the unaccountable government that this would bring about.

Maybe you think this way because you work for the government?

Liberal? Since when is it liberal to think the government has limits, needs to prove it's case and that people have rights against the government. This, to me, just indicates some sort of thoughtless, knee jerk attitude.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I want to make it clear that I do NOT think that all prosecutors are scum or that cops are. Some certainly are - I've personally run into them. The farand away great majority of cops I've personally met or known are fine people trying to do the best job they can AND protect the rights of citizens. Prosecutors are also not always scum - but they're lawyers just like the defense lawyers and others - there's good ones and scum bags. Most, in my personal experience (defense and prosecutor) are fine people also trying to do their job, but some are egomaniacs thinking more of "wins" than justice.

Maybe if Marine pride has a run in with the legal system, he'll realize why good lawyers are needed on both sides.

Also please nobody take any of my comments as trying to defend Vang - I'm just trying to say even HE needed to be proven guilty (which he has - hope he rots in jail).

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Wolf, Believe every thing a multiple murder say's? It's people like you that keeps our jails full.

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OK, Chia certainly got what he deserved. I am for the most part for the death penality butI agree prosecutors are scum and put a lot of innocent people in jail and know it. I do have to contemplate the dozens or is it hundreds of "GUILTY" death rowers that have been exonerated by DNA testing.It does make you think

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Charlie P, It's people like me that doesn't start trouble andtalk alot of BSand disrespectpeopleand respect others so I don't get into situations like the one that happen. Now tell me something, so you think that Chai went deerhunting to kill people? I don't believe that. I don't believe chai's story all the waybut I know that I don't believe the other party all the way either. 8 person hunting and one gun found, they must not be there for hunting. What I believe is that the owner's of the property did something to trigger this. NO human being that I know of with families, relatives, friends and a decent futurewould just go into the woods and start killing people for no reason. I know people (soldiers) that have kill, they'vekilled more people than my fingers can count butthey treat everybody with respect and they are not any different than you and me but if you disrespect them then you will get the same back. Like I said before, this is something we all should learn from and should already know. Disrespecting people is something we should not do, unless you want others to disrepect you too and sometime it'll cost your life for disrespecting.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

That not true. The hunters came from a hunting cabin they had guns at the cabin but didn't bring them to confront Viang.They must have really been looking for a fight.

As far as being disrespected, I've been called many racial slurs in my life I didn't take ascope off a gun open fire on people,and walk up to one and say your not dead yet and shoot the person again.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I don't know waht was in his heart when he left his house that day,neither do you.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

I think that Vang got what he deserved for what he did. Wisconsin doesn't have a death penalty, so he got the max he could get. He will be paying for this crime with his life, however long his life may be. If you don't like that Wisconsin doesn't have a death penalty, then take some initiative and push for a change, instead of saying that prosecutors are scum, cops are scum (I am a cop, so I will pretend I didn't read that), and that all defense attorneys are scum!! The Judicial system did work in this case, and EVERY person is allowed an appeal for whichever reason they feel they were wronged during a trial. You, Me, Manson, and Vang, ALL have the opportunity for an appeal. That is guarenteed to us.

Oh, and defense attorneys are there also to assure that a person gets a FAIR trial, which is guarenteed to every citizen of the United States. We live in a civilized nation, NOT midevil France. Like it or not, people don't just get thrown out in the gutter and shot. Thats how it works, and I surely would want my chance at a fair trial, and a chance to appeal if I didn't think it (the trial) was fair!!

RE: Chia Vang!
 

OK OK im going to stop you before you really piss me and the family members off of thoes who were murdered lastyear. I hunt with a friend who is a close friend of all thoes that were murdered. The ones murdered where very upstanding Christians who went to church every day of their lives and would never throw any racial slurs towards anyone no matter what race. Just because Vang said that racial slurs were said, donest mean they were. He was trying to get off for racialgender.But im not saying that words were not exchanged.I dont know because I wasnt there. But I do know this. If was tresspassing or caught sitting in someones stand and they said "hey you honky get out of that stand!!!" doesnt mean im going to start shooting. The party that was murdered lastyear had encounters with Vang in the previous year for tresspassing. Vang is also being investigated for a murder a few years back that happend in Lindsey Wi. Truck matches the description of the one seen the night before a hunter was shot 3-4 times in the back. He is also being investigated for another hunting murder I believeoccoured Indiana a few years ago as well. Hes a cold blood murder and has no remorce what so ever.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Oh come on, just because they're christians doesn't make them good people. There's lots of christians in prisons that are murderstoo, even the pastor's of some churches are child molestors.Just because the owner's of the property said they didn't say any racial slurs doesn't mean that they didn't.

Put it this way,pretend you were caught tresspassing and they(owners) confronted you and told you to leave and that wasn't enough and called their friends to come tell you again and surrounded you and block your way of leaving the property and then you walk off and heard one shot behind you. Wouldn't you think your life is at danger. Chai said that's what happen and also the survivors said it too except for the first shot at Vang. I don't know if they shot or not I wasn't there.Confrontingtresspasser the second time and have your friends surrounded him and block his way of leaving the property is asking for more trouble. That is why we have police officers, rangers and higher authorities to do the confronting.

If anybody is caught for murder in an area,any police department would ask question about previous murder (unsolve) cases that happen close there. Just because he murder some people doesn't mean he murder every body that was murder close to that area. This is where (sometimes) the authorities get it wrong and convict people that didn't do it And the real murder of the unsolve case get away.

It's funny how you say that I will piss you and the family member off. This is how easy things can get out of hands. Is because of people like you that get piss of so easily and then talk alot of B/S andmake a small problem turn intoa big problem.

We both don't agree on this subjectbecause we both don't know what really happen out there that day. Everybody will disagree on things if they don't really know what happen. I don't believe either side because I wasn't there. All I know is that someone tresspass and the owner told the tresspasser to leave and then told some of his friends to come confront him again and surrounded him , and hell broke lose. At the end 6 dead and 2 survivors. What really happen we don't know except for the people that was there. The bottom line is that the one that is responsible for this is caught and prosecuted.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Yea, my brother is a christian, but has very strong racist tendancies and a extremely low tolerance of anyone who doesn't agree with his religious or political beliefs.

NOT saying anything about the Vang thing or what the guys said or didn't say. Just saying I personally know racists and bigots who say they are christians.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

im in minnesota and there were bumper stickers goin around sayin "shoot a hmung save a hunter"...dont agree 100% with that i think its a lil harsh groupin together all hmungs, but i am currently in college here in mn and its absolutely ridiculas on what these professors say bout this, sayin how they can understand why this guy killed 8 hunters and how they sypathise with him!!! the hmong community is very big here in mn and as of late are really startin to piss off alot of pple with this incident and backing him sayin that they cant read the signs that are being posted....LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE BEFORE U MOVE HERE

RE: Chia Vang!
 

You're saying that "shoot a hmung save a hunter" is a LITTLE harsh??? I'd say its outrageous. I think anyone who stereotypes all people based on an incident like this is a bigot, and I would assume as such about the person who had this bumper sticker on his/her car.

I don't agree with what your professors are saying about murder being excused in this case - understanding I really don't know what they are actually saying, what context, etc. because I'm not there, but I'm accepting what you have said. Statements like that are also outrageous.

as for "LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE BEFORE U MOVE HERE". How many norwegian or german or italian (insert your personal background here) learned english before they moved here. How are they supposed to do it? My guess would be that you don't think the current immigration of non-Europeans is somehow inferior to the immigrations that brought most of our ancestors here.

Chai Vang was a cold blooded murderer, possibly crazy. There is no justification for what he did. It does not however mean all or even most Hmung are second class immigrants or second class citizens. The ones I've met are working damn hard to improve their lot over the horrible conditions they left in SE asia. They are here for the same reason my ansestors (norwegian) and my wifes (german, irish)came to this country.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

These bumper stickers are racist against a groupof people where only one person did the crime. Not knowing someone and a group of people and alreadyjudging them is also know as prejudice. Maybe that is what you are or both.

Before you start telling them to learn the language you should look back at history and see if your ancestors learn any indian langauge before they step foot here and took over.

Also you should learn how the hmong people got over here. Maybe I should tell a littlehistory of how they got over here. It's because the United States didn't mind thier own business and got involve in the vietnam war and recruited the HMONGS in LAOS to help the united states stop the North Veitnmese from entering South Veitnam.This waris called the secret war. THE HMONG rescue alot of our fellow soldier and defended alot of United states bases and enemy line in LAOS. After the United states loss the war to Vietnam and pulled out. The Veitnamesekilled every Laotian goverment personel including the Hmongs that was involve/allies with the UNited states in the secretwar. Then guess what happen, the United states also pulled out almost all the hmong and laotians they can. So is it their fault that they came over here not knowing the english language? Thought you college boys should know this already, if you don't, you should do more studying about your country before you start to saying stuff about other race.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Wolf...buddy...not only do you need to educate yourself with actual police reports of Vang's initial statements , and court records ,instead of going by water cooler gossip , you're also in dire need of some history lessons.
The racism card wasn't played until after he had an attorney.:eek:

RE: Chia Vang!
 

He didn't say he was going to kill you and your unarmed buddies standing around you. Big difference. Anger is a emotion it's how you control it that matters.

If I remeber right Vang never mentioned any racial slurs in the initial report I read.
My father moved/escaped here from a dictatorship,didn't know the langauge before he got here. Neither did the Itialians,Germans, greeks etc, that immigrated here.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

Let's not forget that Vang also made a threat against his wifes life,and police had been called to his house more then once.

RE: Chia Vang!
 

That's close to home, and it hits home. With more and more people experiencing the joys of hunting, you let in the "bad" with the good. I'm glad he's going to rot.