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When I see the TV shows and after the shot the deer crumbles to the ground where he stands. Where are the hitting them? ( bullet placement?)Can it be done with a 25-06 at a 100-150 yds?

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deer can do some strange things , i shot one 2 weeks ago with teh 270 at about 50 yards , totally destroyed the left shoulder and both lungs , yet he ran off about 50 yards before crashing...

dropping them in the tracks is just a perfect shot placement , ofcourse it a bit easier to do with a 300 then with a smaller caliber just because the margin with the higher caliber get a bit higher, i'm not saying it can't be done with a smaller bullet, it just gives you less margin...

personally i shoot for the boiler room , if i'm not sure if i can hit it , and i don't want the deer to run to far after i hit him i will try to take out atleast one shoulder..

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it can be done with a 25-06 as long as it is sighted in properly and it would help to know the anatomy of the deer to find the most productive shot and also just a little bit of luck

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Ok I seen one show where he hit the deer 3 inches obove the sholder like if you line the vertical cross hair upwith the leg and the horizontal one 3 above sholder and the deer droped like a rock!

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My fastest kills have been with high velocity cartridges and rapid expanding bullets like the nolser ballistic tip.I dropped several large bodied deer on the spot by using the 100gr ballistic point out of my 257wby and many morewith the 140gr ballistic tip out of my 7mmstws.I use lung shots and not one deer has travelled 50 yards with most dropping on the spot or within a few yards.I have done the same thing with elk and moose using my 300ultramags.

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all though I wouldn't recomend it, you can drop one like that with
a .223, 22-250 or a 25-06 for that matter if the shot is directed to the right area. The term "boiler maker" or "in the boiler maker" is commonly used for the type of results in which you speak. Imo,I think typically that all deer respond differntly to being shot, or it could be that the guys on the videos are shooting hi-powered rifles w/ hi-powered loads. I have harvested numerous deer that have gone down hard in their tracks andalso have taken deer that were smaller, but traveled 70-90 yards before expiring.When I take aim on a deer, my hold is approx. 6"-8" down form the back and 1"-2" behind the shoulder. For all the deer I have taken,
this area has worked for me everytime. About 35%-40% have been "right in the boiler maker."

Good luck and good hunting

Hook 'Em Horns

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Btw, As far as 25-06's are concerend, I think they do the job just fine on
whitetail deer.

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Ive killed a lot of Deer and not one has reacted the same. Some run a little ways, some fall in place, in fact the buck I shot last year jumped straight up in the air. I ve never seen anything like it! Any ways shot placement is key. You want to use a bullet that expands quickly. I wouldnt recomend solid copper bullets for deer hunting. I use a 150gr CT and it works great.

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I took a doe a few years back and she reared up like Silver.

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I read an article one time in a national magazine which was studying exactly this issue. They had a large group of animals that needed to be culled for some reason. They proceeded to shoot them all and had autopsies done on each animal. What they found was that each animal that had dropped or only gone a few yards shared one characteristic that the others (who had run a ways before going down) didn't have. Their brains showed major hemmoraging. They basically came to the conclusion that at the exact time the bullet strikes, if the heart is pumping blood out to the body, the shock of the bullet would cause an 'amplifying' affect so to speak, causing the hemmorage. If the heart expanding (drawing blood in) the effect wouldn't happen as severly, and without the major hemmorage the animals would be able to run off before expiring from their wounds. Purely speculation, but I found it quite interesting.

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Bullet size....
shot placement....
Two often debated topics!
To answer the question, "can it be done with a 25-06@100-150 yards?"
Yes, it can easily be done with the 25-06!
While I don't like small calibers for deer, it CAN be done with any of .22's also!
So, it really goes to the second topic, "shot placement!
The three surest shots for dropping a deer in its tracks are: head, spine, and double shoulder shots.
Head, or spine shots CAN be done with most any caliber, while the shoulder shots work better with larger, and/or faster bullets.
Personally, I don't care for ANY of these three shots! Head, or spine shots requirePERFECT hits, and the shoulder shots are not 100% "drop shots," and RUIN way too much meat for my liking!
Give me a double lung shot, and a blood trail,withANY good hunting bullet in .243 on up, and I'll give you 99.9% of your deer's meat in the freezer!
Sometimes, a double lunger will even drop on the spot!
Mostly they'll run, 0-100 yards, or so, even with a "cannon!"
But, almostZERO meat damage, AND bigger target,WITH easier tracking, are much more appealing to me, than "MAYBE" dropping them on the spot, with a higher % of wounded/lost animals!

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That's pretty interesting

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Good camera work,Plus they are probably using a cannon

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Here here......

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I agree with using the double lung and or taking the heart with it if possible. Simply put an animal CAN'T survive very long without oxygen. But rarely doesa true mid or lowerlung shot result in downing an animal "in his tracks". I have studied this for years and especially since getting my Lazzeroni in 99.

It takes ALOT of force to kill an animal instantly with strictly a lungshot. Now getting into the spinal area or neck area or Tx heartshots yes those are easily done shots for dropping them where they stand. But they waste alot of good meat or damage the hide or a wanted trophy. As for the 25/06 doing it. The 25/06 I had NEVER dropped them in their tracks with a simple lungshot. But realistically rarely do any of my 30/06s, 50cal muzzleloaders or either of my 7mags. About the only gun that has produced several instant kills in the lungs (for me anyway) is the Lazz. I think it takes a combination of bullet weight (150grn for me) and velocity (3700ish fps) to drop them where they stand if nothing other than the lungs is hit.

Double shoulder hits with large, fast calibers typically results in "lights out" but they take alot of meat with them. Or at least in the case of my Lazz the Triple Shock Barnes doesn't blow meat up but turns bone fragments into shrapnel that travels as far as the hindquarters of the animal and up through the neck. A neck shot is a GREAT shot for any caliber and typically will drop them like a bad habit. BUT there is greater potential for a miss (smaller and moving target) and if it is a trophy it will tear up the cape.

That is why I prefer bullets that will FULLY penetrate an animal and leave an exit hole. A full "2 sided" entrance/exit hole through the lungs WILL kill any big game animal alive and they wont run very far (typically less than 100yds). For me bullets like Barnes or Winchester Fail Safes are the ones to go too. Ballistic Tips just don't cut it IMHO. But I realize alot of guys use them and like them. I just realize that a BT wont fully penetrate and animal at 350yds when a "Tx heartshot" is used like I do with the Barnes'.

The most effective thing I can give you is advice I heard many moons ago and was actually borrowed from a bowhunter with regards too shot placement. Don't worry about where the bullet is going into the animal, visualize them as a 3D, transparent object and visualize where you want the bullet to exit! THAT will show you where you must place the shot to get the effect you want. But again, that is ONLY with bullets and calibers that have the ability to wade in deep and "GET R DUN".

"Drop em where they stand" that has been one of my battel crys for years!
RA

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i jerked the trigger on my first buck...hit em in the eye, you can spine em too

i just go for a heartshot, or for both lungs.

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If you want to drop a deer on the spot there are only two ways that it can be done.

1. A direct hit to the brain or spinal column. This obviously drops deer where they stand and they expire pretty damned fast.

2. A shot through the lungs AND heart with massive accompanying damage. Imagine a 12 gauge slug punching through the lungs and almost completely removing the heart. The deer wouldn't be able to breathe, and would not have any blood pressure to the brain. My guess is that this would still not kill the deer instantly.

Don't worry about dropping your deer where he stands. Just make a good shot and then follow the red splatters.

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Gene...I am surprised when a deer doesn't drop in its tracks, at least 75% of the deer I shoot drop...Either a high lung shot or a high shoulder shot (bullet through the shoulder blade) will drop them...angling away from you...put the bullet into the off shoulder blade...angling toward you...where the neck joins the shoulder...any of these shots with a good bullet will drop them...

I sight in about 2 1/2 high at 100 yards...and in the 100-150 yard range I will hit about 2-3 inches above dead center of the deer....or about 2-3 inches below the spine...I think that is the key...if your bullet hits the lungs dead center...they will run a few yards...usually no problem...except in eastern NC it seems most of out fields have swamps or cutovers around them...I'd rather drop them in the field than have to wade into the swamp to get them out...

Also...you don't need a cannon to do this...I have used a .243 for over 25 years...

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i think it is all luck and the will of the deer to live. i have seen both shoulders shot and the deer still try to go with just the back legs. i have seen deer with nothing left of the heart or lungs but they still tried to go for for a few seconds. with head shots i have seen them jump around like a jumping bean for a short time. and even the spinal cord shots i have seen them spin in circles on the ground. there is no sure way to tell what shot is going to put a deer down in its tracks. i have seen them drop like a rock from a lung shot of a .308 and other times they may run 50 or 100 yards. biggest surprize i ever had was when i shot one about 70 yards with my .50 cal with a round ball he never moved. it was a slow moving projectile to the lungs and the bullet never even passed threw. there is just not any sure shot to make them drop on the spot. maybe bionicrooster is on to something.:)

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It is "boiler room", not boiler maker.

r
Hank

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When I first started hunting I used the 30-30and then the 243 with partitions for a few years.Almost all of my deer ran a fair distance sometimes 100 yards.I have taken the last 30+ deer using rapidly expanding ballistic tip bullets and cartridge with muzzle velocities of right around 3500fps.Amazingly most of these deer dropped on the spot or within a few yards and not one made 50 yards.Either the deer used to be much tougher,or the faster moving,more rapid expanding bullets do provide much quicker kills.I have always used lung shots so bullet placement is not a factor.

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I've put a variety of shots on a variety of deer, and only three have ever dropped at the shot:

1) Extremely angled down (basically under my stand), so I clipped the spine.

2) First shot through the lungs, second shot was high and hit the spine - dropped on the second shot.

3) Double-lung shot. This one is the one I think about, and I think I caught him off guard - it was absolutely last light, and he was just strolling into a greenfield, certain that the hunters had gone home for the night. That was a great feeling.

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THE LAST 2 DEER I SHOT WITH MY 30-06 180 GR BULLETS BOTH HAD BEEN SHOT THREW THE HEART AND BOTH STILL MANAGED TO RUN ABOUT 50 YARDS. ITS AMAZING THEY CAN STILL RUN WITH A HOLE IN THERE HEARTS

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Last year I dropped my small 8 pointer with my .243, hit him right behind the shoulder.

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deer are unpredictable unless it's spine or brain. Last year, i shot a doe at 30 yards, hit her tight behind the shoulder, got both lungs and the top of the heart, sprayed blood 3 feet on both sides of the trail, but she still ran 35 yards. i had the same exact hit on my buck this year, and he ran 40 yards. i've shot some does with the same loads and most drop as if hit by lightning. i've heard in some articles about it depends on the heartbeat when you hit it, kinetic energy, fast velocity(Roy Weatherby), big calibers, everything..i just aim on the shoulder hoping to break it, but anywhere in the frontal chest cavity and that deer is gonna park himself in the near vicinity.

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The last 7 bucks that I've shot have all dropped in their tracks. I shoot a 243 and aim for the base of the neck right in front of the shoulder. I have hit a couple of bucks higher in the neck then I meant to, but they all dropped. I never aim behind the shoulder, I like neck shots at reasonable ranges.