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IM ON A FACT FINDING MISSION AND I AM IN THE "POLL" MODE THIS WEEK SO PLEASE INDULDGE AN OLE BOY FROM ALABAMA. I AM SHOOTING A 270 .... WOULD YOU SHOOT A BALLISTIC TIP OR CORELOKT ... MOST OF MY HUNTING IS IN ALABAMA AND TENNESSEE FOR WT DEER BUT I WILL ALSO BE TAKING THIS RIFLE TO CANADA TO HUT THE GIANT WT DEER ... TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK AND WHY.

THANKS
DD

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Docyou probably know more about it than I, but I have had less than desirable luck with the Ballistic tips. I was told that out of my A-Bolt 270WSM at close range that the high velocity would cause the bullet to disintegrate upon impact with bone. I thought I missed two deer last year( no blood found ) until my cousin found one rabit hunting a month later. I have switched to a federal accubond (140gr). I really wanted to try the new federal 130Nosler Partition but couldn't find it in time to zero in before the season.Anyway , good luck.

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Um, I would shoot neither. The only rifle I've ever owned is a .270win.
The most accurate load I've ever shot out of my rifle is the Winchester BT, but I didn't care for the damage they done to the meat.

The CoreLokt, grouped the worst out of mine and dropped like a ton of bricks compared to the others.

You should pick up this months FIELD AND STREAM, it has a GREAT artle on all the newer hunting bullets. It shows cut-aways and what they look like after they are pulled out of the "block".

If I can remember right, the Winchester FailSafe and Barnes Tripple Shock were their pick for being the "best".

The Winchester AccuBond, which is what I am shooting in my .270win this year, is supposed to give you the same proformance of the Ballistic Tips, w/o the fragmentation. Its sorta a bonded ballistic tip.

Another that was high on the list, and one that I really like and will probably switch back to it, is the Hornady Interbond.

I live in SC, so we have the same size deer yall have in AL, which is very small. The deer up in Canada and the "deer states" of the US, are a lot bigger than ours, so I would stick to a bonded bullet.

Go to the store and pick up that magazine, it has some good stuff in it on what you want to know. It has a pic of a deer on i and something like "deer hunting 101".

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I have taken about a dozen of our large bodiedcanadian whitetails using the 100gr ballistic tip out of my 257wby and about two dozen using the 140gr ballistic tip out of my 7mmstws.Not one of these deer made it 50 yards after being shot.I use lung shots so other than a few ribs,very little meat is lost.However if you take shoulder shots,you will lose a fair bit of meat but then that is typical with all shoulder shots reguardless of the bullet used.The muzzle velocities out of my rifles is about 3500fps so it is well above the velocities produced with either a 270win or a 270wsm.As well the vast majority of these bullets exited.If the ballistic tips work well on our 300lb+ canadian bucks,they will work on any whitetailed deer anywhere.Of course proper shot placement is required with any bullet.

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In my experience I have found CoreLokts do not perform well in anything under .308 caliber. Ballistic Tips work very well for me and I haven't noticed the meat damage mentioned above. If you want the best of both worlds though, check out the 130 grain Sierra GameKing.

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Stubblejumper, my shot placement was fine ( dead deer ). The problem was the lack of exit wound left me no way to track the deer through the extremely thick woods. I searched for blood in a pretty large area. Not finding any blood led me to believe I missed the deer. I know your going to say I shoulda aimed and/or hit him some where else, but I didn't. In this case and the other one last year, I feel the ballistic tip let me down. There are others that feel this way too. If all hunters were skilled enough to control shot placement on every deer ( assuming that deer never moved ), then every one would be hunting with 22-250. That's not the real world for most of us mere mortals that use larger calibers.

As far as velocities go. Your 7mmstws 140gr Ballistic Tipaccording to Winchester has roughly a little( 25fps ) more velocity than the 130gr Ballistc Tips i was using. Hardly as you put it ' well above the 270 WSM '

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Since none of my deer made 50 yards after being shot no tracking was necessary,therefore an exit wound would have been no benefit at all even though the majority of my bullets did exit.You are judging a bullet based on a single deer while I am judging the bullet on the results of about three dozen deer.Which do you think is more credible?


Winchester does not load my ammunition.I do and I have chronographed my loads at 3500 fps as I have previously stated.Whatvelocity does your chronograph show the 130gr ballistic tips coming out of your rifle at?If you are using factory winchester loads the posted velocity is 3275fps.Even if you are acheiving that in your rifle,which youwill never know without the use of a chronograph,that is still 225fps slower than the velocity that my loads produce in my rifles.

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If you are loading your own then you should say so in your orig. post as the gentleman who ask a question was asking about factory loaded ammo.

I bought that rifle last year and only shot two deer with it. Neither left blood behind. That'sall I needed to see to know that I didn't like the Ballistic Tips. The rest I shot were with a shotgun in the swamp all of which dropped in their tracks. Of course our NC deer aren't as big as the Canadian deer.

Anyway yours is bigger and better than mine. Do you feel better now?

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The original post asked about bullets, factory loadswere not mentionedin the post.You only assumed that he meant factory loads.I did specify my muzzle velocity in my original post.However you ignored that fact and incorrectlyassumed that I was using factory loads.

You stated that you only found one carcass.Thereforethere is no proofof where or even ifif you hit the other deer.You are only assuming(yet again)that you hit the second deer.

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Whatever ......

The gentleman asked for our experiences with the rounds he listed. I gave him mine. It was obvious you attempted to call me out about the Ballistic Tips fragility at the higher velocities. When confronted with facts you then say you handload. Yeah right.

Go to the other posts here and see how many others feel the same as me on the BallisticTips. But i guess we all know people who know more than the rest of us combined.

Let me say what an honor it is to have you on this board with us mere mortals Stubbie.

With that I'm done with this thread.

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i would use the corelocts. that's what i'll be shooting in my 06 this year.

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I merely stated my experiences and pointed out that ballistic tips had worked well for me,even at velocities exceeding thosethat most cartridges, including the 270win and 270wsm,are capable of producing.I stated in my first post that the velocities out of my rifles was right around 3500fps and as you can see that first post of mine has not been edited.A person with as much supposedballistic knowledge as yourself should have realized that the only way to achieve 3500fps with 140gr bullets out of a 7mmstw is by handloading.

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OK GUYS ..NO NEED TO GET TESTY HERE .. I AM NO BALLISTIC ENGINEER BUT I DO APPRECIATE BOTH VIEWS .... I SHOOT FACTORY LOADS AND I SUPPOSE I DID NOT MAKE THAT CLEAR IN MY POST ...

ROLL TIDE
DD

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Try the Federal Premium 130 gr Sierra GameKing BTSP...My brother owns 2-270s, one for him, one for his son...they have killed 50-60 deer with this load...Almost always get a good exit wound...Its a good load in a .270.

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whats a ballistic tip??
Rem Corelok can kill anything; Can you buy them for handrolling yet?

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The remington corlokt has been available to reloaders for many years and at very low prices I might add.As for rolling them,whatever floats your boat:)

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i hate the core lokt bullet because the jacket tends to seperate from the bullet when it hits something hard. the ballistic tip can explode at close range on bone. If you want a bonded soft point bullet, go with these:Winchester Fail Safe, Nosler Partition(always a safe bet for anything), Hornady Interlock, Or Barnes X Bullet or Triple shock. For a polymer tipped round, stick with the bonded core bullets like the Nosler Accubond and hornady Interbond. Based on personal experience and seeing bullet effects in person on roughly75-85 deer, these are the bullets i can recommend to you.

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I've been using factory core-locks since I've started hunting. As have my dad, 4 uncles, 3 cousins, and 3 family friends (all but 2 have been hunting 15 years more than I have). I've never had a problem with them expanding or not producting exit holes and none of them have either since I stared hunting with them. That's all they've used their whole lives, there's obviousley a reason for that. We hunt in WV so the same size deer as you roughly, most of our shots are within a hundred yards (with more than a handful of does taken in fields out to 200). Also we use 6 06's, 1 .270, a 30-30, and a .308, a .243, and a 7mm mag. Just the facts....use them how you wish


Chad

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I have had absolutely no problems with Ballistic Tip bullet in a variety of chamberings and bullet weight to harvest upto deer sized game. In fact it is my favorite deer bullet. IMHO if your a rib shooter this bullet will not give you any worries! My experience mirrors that of other BT users...dead deer with very few yards travelled after the shot. I have made a couple of poor shots in my career with this bulletbut not one has led to a lost animal..thesewere notbullet failure but rather shooter failures!

I have said this anumber of times here and elsewhere, do your research pick the bullet that works for your situation (consider distance of shot, placement, game, construction or design, etc.). If you do this then you'll find more success in the field. Personally wouldn't consider the corelokt to be of any benefit over the NBT, I would also consider it a rib shooter bullet. If your a hunter who likes to break em down then go with a controlled expansion bullet such as the Nosler Partition, Speers Grand Slam orAccubond (or similar bonded polymer tipped bullets)...these are pretty much the best of both worlds, designed to open up but yet still retain weight for heavy sluggin' or penetration.

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You don't need a blood trail with Ballistic tips. They seldom move out of their tracks. I shot four mule deer with the 25-06 last year with 100 grain Ballistic trips. three went down where they stood and one went about 20 yards. I use them in everything.

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gimme a box of corelokts and ill go groundhog hunting.....about the only thing i see fit with them.......i know 350398059334534 deer died a death due to corelokts since they been out.......but i myself will never launch another one at a deer again......i think i was shooting the 165gr psp's in my 06.....i hit 2 does with them and lost them.......first one there was a TINY blood trail.......that was IT.....followed it till it ran out.......then dad and i were on hands an knees for 4 hours........never saw it or another speck......and dad is a pretty dang good tracker......ive seen him work some magic........the other one had a little hair and a drop of blood.......i honestly think they exploded on impact of the deer.....(boiler room behind the shoulder right in the center of the lungs is where they should have hit...) yes i know misses and other things happen.....but i still dont buy it.........and either way......you hit a deer somewhere other then the lungs at 30yds with a bullet that stays together and i bet you got blood to trail......i like max damage........with over 1million deer hunters in the state i kinda like my deer to drop or run a short distance with max blood to follow so i can find it in seconds.........i dont need someone seeing my deer run and shoot it...or run and fall over and they steal it.......or me be tracking it and just loose it or whatever......dad always used federal nosler ballistic tips and i watched him drop a good handful of deer right stone cold dead........most of the deer ive shot dropped stone cold dead....ive shot BTSP and BTHPs from sierra game kings.....and last year i killed 3 with winchester SP powerpoints.......i really liked the power points.....all of these were 165 gr except the HPs that were 165 or 168 i cant remember.......2 other deer i killed were with a 308 federal 168gr BTHP sierra match king....and a 180gr RD nose corelokt.......shot a button buck at point blank range my second year.........my god that hole was HUGGGGGGGGGGGE...i put my hand in it no joke.....entrance hole was overly large as well.....that deer still made it about 150yds.......dont ask me how......it had no heart, lungs and one front leg......but it did......ran/rolled down the mountain 50yds..ran straight into a boulder......fell down and got back up.....ran and felldown some more....then ran full speedsmack into a boulder and collapsed.....super deer????i didnt have to gut the diaphram........most of it FELL OUT THE EXIT!!! this year im shooting 168gr winchester supreme ballistic tips......and i probably wont look back.......i just dont know why corelokts didntwork for me........maybe i got a super rifle(actually i do...mauser 98k!! lol) but i dont know........seems every other bullet under the sun works good for me.......and most of them ive shoot a couple deer with before switching.....really never had a reason to switch...but i do when i run out from time to time.......i was impressed with winchester power points for 11 bucks a box.......3 deer last yearwith it........i put one 75% through a buck.....i was facing/ quartering me.......pretty hard angle.....and i was above in on a hillside......soi put it in inbetween the shoulders high in the body(neck) and sent it throughthe boiler room and i think it came out a few inches between theopposite hind quarter....i didnt skin it so i dont know for sure......the bullet wasnt in the deer........and thats where it looked like a perfectly mushroomed bullet came outof.....good luck........theres alot of good bullets out there.....alot of guys dont like BT.....but they usually are the guys that dont shootthem.....they just know what ballistic tip means and they think they are exploding on impact bullets......ill see how i like them this season...good luck........shoot straight and put it where it counts and you should beable to hit them with most any bullet out there and kill them.......

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I think this poll has no use for the creator. The ONLY answer is to buy both, shoot them from that .270 and see which one performs the best with the gun and your shooting style/ability.

This poll only adds to the myth that one load is better than all-across the board in different guns. The simple fact is that is not true.

Find out for yourself. You'll be happier knowing you have the best ammo in your gun when you go to take down game.

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Where I hunt in MN, it's very heavy wooded, with very few shots over 75-100 yards. For that reason, I don't shoot BT's. The shoot very well out of my rifle, but I won't use them until I get to more open terrain. I used Core-lokts in the past and had no negative experience with them. If I'm in the thicks woods, I'll shoot either the Sierra GameKings or the Trophy Bonded Bear Claws. Just my .02

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You are blaming the bullet because you lost two deer.This is a very common practise,and the reason for most complaints about bullets.Since the deer weren't recovered,youhave no proof ofwhere the bullets actually struck the deer.The simple truth is that in almost every case like thisthe deer was lost because of poor bullet placement.However it is easier to blame the bullet than admit that your shooting was the realreason for losing the animals.

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I shoot the combined technology ballistic tips out of my 243 for deer, and have had nothing but great luck with them. I shoot the Hornady SSTs out of my 7mm on deer, and have had nothing but great luck with them, so they would definately be worth looking into also. I loaded up some 140gr AccuBonds last nite, and once I get a chance to shoot some paper I'll let ya know how they shoot.

Personally, if it was me making the choice between core lokts and ballistic tips for a Canada hunt, I'd opt for the Ballistic Tips.

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DD, if you use the Ulta-Bonded you will have no problem!


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HIGH WEIGHT RETENTION
Another advantage of the bonding process, Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded retains up to 95% of its weight on-game. Because it resists fragmentation and separation, the bullet retains its mass and, therefore, effectively transfers its energy. This provides superior knockdown power.

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Core Lokt is probably one of the most efficient bullets ever manufactured. Outstanding round from factory loads to custom hand loads.

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I've always used corlokts, here in north dakota. Never had a pass-through with 130's, but never lost a dear, because of it, now I use 150's all the time, and I try for a lung shot almost all the time, the deardrop pretty quick with the heavier bullet. haven't had to track one yet.

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I generally use the corlokt's for initial load development and practice, then switch to either Hornady's SST or Interlok, Nosler Ballistic Tip or accubonds or Sierra Gamekings.

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AMEN!

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hard to argue with this logic
cant prove a negetive
Happy hunting