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GUILTY or NOT? Claude Dallas

Old 02-06-2005, 08:08 AM
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Old 02-06-2005, 11:58 AM
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I would say guilty after reading the story, however I sure would like to see all the facts.
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Old 02-06-2005, 09:52 PM
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Guilty or not he's spawned a general bad attitude of hunters towards Fish and Game CO's that puts them in much more danger than before that incident happened. He broke the law plain and simple then got himself in a mess instead of just owning up to it.
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Old 02-07-2005, 01:07 AM
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Plain and simple he is guilty. However, BA, the Fish and Game has done their own job of earning a bad reputation with the hunters.
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Old 02-07-2005, 08:41 AM
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It doesn't really matter. There is no excuse for that kind of attitude. It's wrong and it's dangerous.
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Old 02-07-2005, 12:01 PM
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I am not much for the fish and game. From what I have seen if you put a badge on most men there chest blow up. I had 5 friends that turned in to cops or wordens. EVERY single one of them are no longer my friends,They all think they are now better than I am the only reasion they ever call me now is for me to help them.

I am not saying they need shot but just like in scool a big head will get you all bad reactions.

Every worden or cop I have every seen says I WILL GET EVEN WITH THEM. So I would bet that this guys life will be a living he!! if he dose not move where he can not be found.

The officers do not SERVE AND ASSIST they boss and controle the genaral public now.If they think you are guilty you ARE.
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Old 02-07-2005, 05:56 PM
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Gentlemen, I appreciate those of you who have spoken against the behavior of Claude Dallas. I am new to this forum. I just left a forum where I was a very active member for the past three years. I left because of some of the attitudes concerning this very same post. As a rancher and journalist I was very interested in the Claude Dallas case when it first broke and I read as much about it as I good. A friend of mine cowboyed with Dallas on a Nevada crew and another friend of mine photographed him while doing a book for National Geographic. If you want to know more about the situation I would recommend Jack Olsen's book "Give a Boy a Gun." I live in a state where we see a killing every few years as a result of would-be "mountain men" thinking they can take their weapons, go into the hills, and act however they want. Dallas was a delusional criminal, nothing else. While Bill Pogue had a reputation for being a "by-the-book" game warden he was not known to be vindictive or abusive. Conley Elms, the other slain warden, was known to be a very fine man. Almost every young person who pins on a star and straps on a handgun is idealistic and ambitious in the beginning. Most mellow quickly. We have to remember that without our State Fish and Game Departments there would be no wildlife in America. In fact, the commercial hunting of wildlife had nearly eradicated most species by the 1920s. The first state game warden -- then called "duck cops" was murdered in that decade. In my experience as a landowner who allows public hunting, I have discovered that hunters who have a bad attitude toward authority usually show bad traits in the field, too. The local captain of game wardens hunts on our property. When I first met him some 15 years ago he was a little cocky and full of himself, but he has since become a close friend and I know the long hours, abuse from the public, and short pay that he contends with. During those times when he would like to be hunting he is probably working 18-hour days trying to enforce the laws that maintain our wildlife heritage. Phonies like Dallas, on the other hand, are only interested in killing what they want to kill when they want to do it.
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Old 02-07-2005, 07:10 PM
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Guilty as sin!! I know Mrs. Elms, Conleys mother, she is a very nice person. I have sat down and talked with her, and she even gave me a picture of her son. She said that Bill Pogue called her son up after another officer declined to go with him, she said that Conley never would say no, when someone asked for his help. Claude was one of the biggest poachers around, and laws they meant nothing to him, he lived by his own rules. At least these F&G officers did put a stop to it, but ended up sacrificing there own life so justice would be done.
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Old 02-08-2005, 12:35 AM
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I have discovered that hunters who have a bad attitude toward authority usually show bad traits in the field, too.
Sunday.... Then you have me all wrong!! I invite you to hunt with me any day of the week and I will guarantee that you won't find a more ethical hunter. I even volunteer as an instructor with Bowhunter's Education with them. It is unfortunately, because of my volunteer work and several personal experiences (1 in particular) where an officer abused his badge and fraudulently accused my friend of baiting. My friend was not doing any such thing and it was finally proven when the officer claimed to have a confession on tape. THERE WAS NO TAPE and to make it even better, my friend is handicapped and the officer told him to crawl out because he was in a "Closed" area. The map said that it was open and in a court of law it was proven to be open. The officer, BTW, was on his own time, hunting the same area when he "busted" my friend. So don't tell me that they are all good and we are bad. I've never been sited for anything because I have never given them a reason to site me. However, my feeling is that they are a very power hungry bunch that doesn't have a group of people to balance their actions. Sadly, it is needed. With that all said, I think Claude Dallas is a flat out murderer who shouldn't be out now. I don't believe that he had good intentions when he shot those officers. Did they deserve it? NO! No action, with the exception of murder itself, would constitute the death of another individual. However, you can't tell me that the Fish and Game are a wonderful organization. On more than one occasion they have proven themselves not to be.
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:16 AM
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Sunday Creek, Welcome to the board. I agree with your post 100%.
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