Pheasant pen
06-08-2015 | 09:53 AM
#21
Boone & Crockett
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Mudwhatever, if you were as interested in helping this young man as you are trying to convince everyone you know all there is to know about everything, you would have known from his previous posts that this is a project him and his father are taking on together and perhaps you wouldn't have made this ludicris post."I guess shoveling 10-15 tons of dirt for something you'll use a couple of months a year, beats playing video games. Your smallness and self engrandizment in pumping yourself up while kicking a young man's thread off the tracks says more about you than anything you ever said here. BTW, I call men sir, you do not meet that standard, men do not try to discourage children..
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06-08-2015 | 10:09 AM
#22
Nontypical Buck
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From: Germany/Calif.
Between you and the 12 year old OP I know who I would vote for right now if a question was asked as to who has the highest IQ and it ain't you booby, as you're making a complete jackass of yourself every time you post here. You say Oldtimr and I dislike each other and that's about as dumb as all the rest of what you post seeing as how most of the time our thoughts are very much similar, including on this thread and what we think of your nonsense. I hope the OP does hit the alert button and turns you in because all you're doing is ruining this thread, especially with the derogatory remark you made about Oldtimr that the OP called you out on and now you just come back with even more! Not too smart dude, especially when this involves a kid!
.I just read your link and didn't see much of anything that drastically conflicted with much of anything I posted. I may not be a hundred percent right, it doesn't make me wrong either. Most of this stuff I learned the hard way, it's a process. Mostly just some ideas and stuff that has worked for me in the past and some things that went wrong also.
Back on topic, if you get young birds that want to peck the others, toss them out to fend for themselves quick. They will infect the other younguns and you'll have them all doing it. Nothing says you can't trickle release after the first molt. You can release some young and keep others longer, depends on the size of your pen. You don't have to release them all at once.
The bitties I get are way wild genetically and seem to go full wild quick, if they don't get eaten quick.
You also have to think about where you are going to release. Good cover, food and water in that priority. Young ones are food for anything from Jays, to Hawks or whatever, good cover is important. The best is a hedge or brush with thorns, on the edge of a field. They tend to head for the lower places, like brush on the sides of a farm road near a ditch.
Predators often den or nest in just the same places as Pheasants prefer to live, which is unlikely to be an accident.
06-08-2015 | 10:21 AM
#24
Nontypical Buck
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From: Germany/Calif.
Mudwhatever, if you were as interested in helping this young man as you are trying to convince everyone you know all there is to know about everything, you would have known from his previous posts that this is a project him and his father are taking on together and perhaps you wouldn't have made this ludicris post."I guess shoveling 10-15 tons of dirt for something you'll use a couple of months a year, beats playing video games. Your smallness and self engrandizment in pumping yourself up while kicking a young man's thread off the tracks says more about you than anything you ever said here. BTW, I call men sir, you do not meet that standard, men do not try to discourage children..
A small project, likely on a budget, that has to be done in a hurry. I'm not trying to discourage anybody, just trying to maybe give him some helpful ideas, right or wrong, his decision. Maybe some easier ways to get the job done. And maybe a few tips on avoiding catastrophe. I've walked out to my pen in the morning and found a war zone, it was a real downer.
Pumping myself up? Other people seem to want to inflate their ego by tearing me down.
I remember a recent thread "Where have all the people gone"? I have my suspicions, they likely got tired of their opinions being denigrated and found a more user friendly board.
06-08-2015 | 10:26 AM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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From: Germany/Calif.
06-08-2015 | 10:34 AM
#26
Giant Nontypical
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From: Allegan, MI
Do you use your head for anything but a hat rack? I "supplement" with Maggots and Meal worms. Five (big) buckets of each (I raise my own) on a rotating basis, that's a lot of Maggots and Meal worms. I try to mirror as closely as possible what they are going to be eating on release, especially the the younger ones, if I have to thin the flock because of conflict (pecking) or whatever. I wouldn't even know where to get Game Bird feed here and even if I did, it would likely cost an arm and a leg. I use what the expert (a buddy who has a small hatchery and aviary) recommends and what's available. He's been raising them forever (a few at a time). His place is right across the tracks from a grain elevator and processing plant.
I haven't had any starve or die from disease yet. Like I said, my only real failures are predators and people who walk up to the pen and shock the Pheasants into suicide. My pen is behind a hunting cabin in the woods and there is a walking path maybe 50 yards away. People get curious and walk up to the pen, sometimes with their Dogs and screaming kids, the Pheasants freak and hurt themselves.
I guess your way is better, feed them prepared mash and scratch, then when they get big enough toss them out in the middle of a field and they are going to magically find enough food to survive, even if they haven't a clue what real food looks like. Feeding them in the wild is setting the dinner table for predators. I release them into hedges and scatter them all over. A lot aren't watchful enough and get eaten. It gets even worse in the winter when the natural cover thins out.
Laying the wire on the outside of the enclosure flat on the ground tied tight to the bottom of the fence, with some dirt or whatever on top and anchored, works better than digging down. But maybe you will have to try it for yourself and see what works. If you have Foxes around, be prepared, they can really dig. Martens and Weasels can fit through small holes, cracks or crevices.
My goal is to try and keep a steady stable breeding population going, instead of the feast and famine type of pheasant hunting we used to have. We had a rash of Jays that really thinned out the Pheasant population, then a few years later a Crow invasion. Nest raiders and chick eaters. Fox get the adults and the younguns, I try to keep the Fox population in check.
One of my Terriers decided to follow a Rat Hole, dug two feet deep in about half an hour.
And by the way I really hope you'll warn us next time before you get your period.
I haven't had any starve or die from disease yet. Like I said, my only real failures are predators and people who walk up to the pen and shock the Pheasants into suicide. My pen is behind a hunting cabin in the woods and there is a walking path maybe 50 yards away. People get curious and walk up to the pen, sometimes with their Dogs and screaming kids, the Pheasants freak and hurt themselves.
I guess your way is better, feed them prepared mash and scratch, then when they get big enough toss them out in the middle of a field and they are going to magically find enough food to survive, even if they haven't a clue what real food looks like. Feeding them in the wild is setting the dinner table for predators. I release them into hedges and scatter them all over. A lot aren't watchful enough and get eaten. It gets even worse in the winter when the natural cover thins out.
Laying the wire on the outside of the enclosure flat on the ground tied tight to the bottom of the fence, with some dirt or whatever on top and anchored, works better than digging down. But maybe you will have to try it for yourself and see what works. If you have Foxes around, be prepared, they can really dig. Martens and Weasels can fit through small holes, cracks or crevices.
My goal is to try and keep a steady stable breeding population going, instead of the feast and famine type of pheasant hunting we used to have. We had a rash of Jays that really thinned out the Pheasant population, then a few years later a Crow invasion. Nest raiders and chick eaters. Fox get the adults and the younguns, I try to keep the Fox population in check.
One of my Terriers decided to follow a Rat Hole, dug two feet deep in about half an hour.
And by the way I really hope you'll warn us next time before you get your period.
You really need to stop with your posts because even the 12 year old OP knew exactly what you meant in that bolded sentence of this post of yours. Now you come back in more posts with more BS and an outright lie even after the OP stated he was going to just listen to what Oldtimr was saying to help him! Then you have the nerve to infer a reason why you think the site is slow and don't have any idea that hijacking a thread like you have this one may be a big reason.
06-08-2015 | 10:39 AM
#27
Giant Nontypical
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From: Allegan, MI
LOL! Feel threatened by you!!!The solution is for you to quit posting information that isn't correct just to be posting and arguing with others. Another example is telling the kid to throw out birds that are pecking on the others. To take care of that you either clip the top beak (debeaking) or put blinders on them by simply pinning one on through their nostrils! Oldtimr has forgotten more about this subject that you have obviously ever known about it! When you argue with a person with his knowledge on this subject it does not speak well of you. You didn't even know that the birds need 28% to 30% or more protein in their feed and that is why the OP was told what to feed them. That alone should have been enough for you to quit while you're behind and move on to something else, but now you come back and even tell a big lie about what you posted! Sad, very very sad!
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06-08-2015 | 10:48 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
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From: Germany/Calif.
You really need to stop with your posts because even the 12 year old OP knew exactly what you meant in that bolded sentence of this post of yours. Now you come back in more posts with more BS and an outright lie even after the OP stated he was going to just listen to what Oldtimr was saying to help him! Then you have the nerve to infer a reason why you think the site is slow and don't have any idea that hijacking a thread like you have this one may be a big reason.
If it is all about control, you and whomever are bound to fail, not likely to happen.
Maybe I should have said before you get our "period on". It's vernacular and may be regional. I was honestly thinking "period" as a injunction, mostly, though I was aware it had a double meaning. Both seemed to fit. Some people chose to jump on the lesser meaning and this indicates they knew the cause, probably? Where both meanings applicable, probably.
06-08-2015 | 10:57 AM
#29
Nontypical Buck
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From: Germany/Calif.
LOL! Feel threatened by you!!!The solution is for you to quit posting information that isn't correct just to be posting and arguing with others. Another example is telling the kid to throw out birds that are pecking on the others. To take care of that you either clip the top beak (debeaking) or put blinders on them by pinning it through their nostrils! Oldtimr has forgotten more about this subject that you have obviously ever known about it! When you argue with a person with his knowledge on this subject it does not speak well of you. You didn't even know that the birds need 28% to 30% or more protein in their feed and that is why the OP was told what to feed them. That alone should have been enough for you to quit while you're behind and move on to something else, but now you come back and even tell a big lie about what you posted! Sad, very very sad!
The feed is also age dependent. Under a month got a special food, a 10 kilo (twenty pound sack) lasted a month or more.
Chasing those birds around the enclosure trying to cut their beaks is likely to cause more harm than good. They tend to injure themselves a lot when they panic. Sometimes it is the lesser of two evils. Oppinion.
06-08-2015 | 11:04 AM
#30
Giant Nontypical
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From: Allegan, MI
You didn't answer my question, what is the solution?
***I told you the solution is to stop posting wrong information in my previous post, as you are obviously now so upset that you aren't even reading what is written!
If it is all about control, you and whomever are bound to fail, not likely to happen.
***We are not about "control" or any other such baloney, but rather giving out sound, correct information!
Maybe I should have said before you get our "period on". It's vernacular and may be regional. I was honestly thinking "period" as a injunction, mostly, though I was aware it had a double meaning. Both seemed to fit. Some people chose to jump on the lesser meaning and this indicates they knew the cause, probably? Where both meanings applicable, probably.
***I told you the solution is to stop posting wrong information in my previous post, as you are obviously now so upset that you aren't even reading what is written!
If it is all about control, you and whomever are bound to fail, not likely to happen.
***We are not about "control" or any other such baloney, but rather giving out sound, correct information!
Maybe I should have said before you get our "period on". It's vernacular and may be regional. I was honestly thinking "period" as a injunction, mostly, though I was aware it had a double meaning. Both seemed to fit. Some people chose to jump on the lesser meaning and this indicates they knew the cause, probably? Where both meanings applicable, probably.
***If you think anyone reading the first half of that excuse (lie) is going to believe it, then as the old saying goes: "I have some nice swamp land in AZ..."! The kid knew exactly what you meant and so did everyone else that will read it. The second half of the paragraph says exactly why you put up that sentence and the more you post the deeper hole you're digging for yourself! Now I see you have come back contradicting what I posted about pecking and what I stated was taken right off the website of the biggest pheasant farm in the US! Please let the thread die, as you are not helping yourself at all when you keep posting just to argue. Otherwise, we'll all probably get a time out since the last few posts are not helping the OP one bit.
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