12 or 20
03-07-2006, 02:17 PM
#2
Join Date: Aug 2005
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RE: 12 or 20
I've been shooting a 20 since 1987. I find a 20 just as deadly on grouse and pheasant as any 12. It's a matter of the right load, choke and ability to hit the target. In fact, the only difference between a 12 and a 20 is the amount of shot it puts in the sky. Hitting the target is completely up to you.
I think you'll find that after shooting a 20 you'll wonder why you waited so long to switch to a 20. A 12 will feel cumbersome in your hands.
Just my personnel opinion.
I think you'll find that after shooting a 20 you'll wonder why you waited so long to switch to a 20. A 12 will feel cumbersome in your hands.
Just my personnel opinion.
03-08-2006, 06:43 AM
#3
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 801
RE: 12 or 20
I'll through my .02 in for the 20 in o/u. For pheasant and grouse it's plenty of gun, easy to carry and fun to shoot.I personally would go the 12 only if you wanted to use it for waterfowl to. I like my pump 12 for that as I have used that 3rd shell to many times and some of those ducks and geese seem to be able to eat up shot.
03-08-2006, 07:07 AM
#4
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Boston, Ma
Posts: 125
RE: 12 or 20
I would say go with the 20g, but the most important thing is to shoot the gun you shoot best. Any gun that puts the pellets where you want them will yeild the results you desire, which is birds dropping from the sky. 20's are nice. More often than not I carry my 20. I have also taken a lot of game with my 28g, pheasants included.
The key is having a gun that fits you well. One easy way to judge if a gun will fit you is to mount it with your eyes closed, then open your eyes. If you are seeing the rib you are ill fitted. You want to see just the bead mounted on the muzzle. Seeing the rib you will shoot high. Thisusually means the gun needs more drop at the heel to fit you. This is of course a really basic explination, and I'm not a gunfitter, but I'm sure there are members here who can explain it in more detail.
Contrary to popular belief, a 12g doesn't hold more shot than a 20g. Shells are loaded by weight, so an ounce of shot willbe the same amount of pellets regardless of which hull they are packed into provided you load both hulls with the same size shot. The difference is that a 12g hull can be packed with heavier loads should one choose. However, a larger load doesn't guarantee better performance, or better balistics. To determine which loads work best on moving targets you need to shoot a lot with different loads. IMO if the gun fits well, and you spend a fair amount of time on the skeet field 1oz, or even 3/4oz loads will perform fine.
The key is having a gun that fits you well. One easy way to judge if a gun will fit you is to mount it with your eyes closed, then open your eyes. If you are seeing the rib you are ill fitted. You want to see just the bead mounted on the muzzle. Seeing the rib you will shoot high. Thisusually means the gun needs more drop at the heel to fit you. This is of course a really basic explination, and I'm not a gunfitter, but I'm sure there are members here who can explain it in more detail.
Contrary to popular belief, a 12g doesn't hold more shot than a 20g. Shells are loaded by weight, so an ounce of shot willbe the same amount of pellets regardless of which hull they are packed into provided you load both hulls with the same size shot. The difference is that a 12g hull can be packed with heavier loads should one choose. However, a larger load doesn't guarantee better performance, or better balistics. To determine which loads work best on moving targets you need to shoot a lot with different loads. IMO if the gun fits well, and you spend a fair amount of time on the skeet field 1oz, or even 3/4oz loads will perform fine.
03-08-2006, 07:21 PM
#5
Typical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Altoona,PA
Posts: 679
RE: 12 or 20
thanks everyone..
i dont want to spend a ton of money on this so i have been looking into the spartan. it has the remington name on it so i would think it would be a pretty good gun in the $500 range. any other brands out there in that price range that anyone knows of for an o/u. thanks
i dont want to spend a ton of money on this so i have been looking into the spartan. it has the remington name on it so i would think it would be a pretty good gun in the $500 range. any other brands out there in that price range that anyone knows of for an o/u. thanks
03-08-2006, 10:40 PM
#7
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 81
RE: 12 or 20
Don't waste your money on an O/U....they are junk. You carry twice the weight, and all you can ever get is 2 rounds. Why oh why, people shoot those worthless things!![:'(] Get yourself a nice auto or pump 20, it will work just fine for grouse & pheasant. They far more versatile guns than some double POS.[:'(]
03-09-2006, 05:33 AM
#8
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: OKC Ok. USA
Posts: 501
RE: 12 or 20
Truth b , I see by all the posts I reviewed that you are a member her just to flame and incite. I will bring you to the attentions of the moderators. This is a good site and I'd like to see it kept this way.
03-09-2006, 10:42 AM
#10
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 81
RE: 12 or 20
Truth b , I see by all the posts I reviewed that you are a member her just to flame and incite. I will bring you to the attentions of the moderators. This is a good site and I'd like to see it kept this way.
It is my opinion, you don't like it? Tough luck. I spend more time in the field than you ever have. I know what works and what doesn't work. ...Deleted by CalHunter...