shot size question
#11
Nontypical Buck
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From: Pine Hill Alabama USA
Unless I planned to call gobblers up very close I would not use lead 7 1/2 shot. It will give you a very dense pattern because of the large number of pellets in the shell but it runs out of penetrating power too quickly.
In lead shot I would use either 5's or 6's. A good rule of thumb for determining your maximum range is the longest distance that your gun will put 80 to 100 pellets inside a 10 inch circle. Even though the individual pellets of number 4 shot have the power to kill way out there it's a rare gun that will give you those numbers at 40 yards with lead 4's. Lethal killing energy is meaningless without a pattern dense enough to insure consistent hits to the head or spine. If number 5's would give me those numbers at 40 yards then that is what I would shoot. If not then I'd use 6's to get a denser pattern. But be aware that despite what you may hear on the internet 35 to 40 yards is about the max lethal power range for lead 6's no matter how far out they yield the pattern numbers I mentioned. Some would firmly say 35 yards is the max for lead 6's.
This is where the beauty of denser than lead shot comes in. First it just patterns better than lead period. Second you can shoot denser than lead 6's or 7's which have a lot of pellets to boost pattern density without sacrificing lethal range like you do with lead 6's or 7's. Why? Because the denser than lead stuff also out penetrates lead by a wide margin.
I shot a gobbler a while back with Winchester Extended Range 6's. Their version of a denser than lead shell. He was standing at exactly 40 yards with his left side to-wards me. I shot and dropped him. When I got him home and cleaned him I noticed that some of the pellets in the lower part of the pattern had passed through his left wing, through his left breast feathers, through the meat of his left breast, through the breast plate bone dividing the two breasts and were lodged halfway through the meat of his right breast. And that was fired from a shotgun with a 20 inch barrel. That is not just a little better penetration than lead 6's, that is in a whole other world of penetration. It's also why I will never go back to lead.
In lead shot I would use either 5's or 6's. A good rule of thumb for determining your maximum range is the longest distance that your gun will put 80 to 100 pellets inside a 10 inch circle. Even though the individual pellets of number 4 shot have the power to kill way out there it's a rare gun that will give you those numbers at 40 yards with lead 4's. Lethal killing energy is meaningless without a pattern dense enough to insure consistent hits to the head or spine. If number 5's would give me those numbers at 40 yards then that is what I would shoot. If not then I'd use 6's to get a denser pattern. But be aware that despite what you may hear on the internet 35 to 40 yards is about the max lethal power range for lead 6's no matter how far out they yield the pattern numbers I mentioned. Some would firmly say 35 yards is the max for lead 6's.
This is where the beauty of denser than lead shot comes in. First it just patterns better than lead period. Second you can shoot denser than lead 6's or 7's which have a lot of pellets to boost pattern density without sacrificing lethal range like you do with lead 6's or 7's. Why? Because the denser than lead stuff also out penetrates lead by a wide margin.
I shot a gobbler a while back with Winchester Extended Range 6's. Their version of a denser than lead shell. He was standing at exactly 40 yards with his left side to-wards me. I shot and dropped him. When I got him home and cleaned him I noticed that some of the pellets in the lower part of the pattern had passed through his left wing, through his left breast feathers, through the meat of his left breast, through the breast plate bone dividing the two breasts and were lodged halfway through the meat of his right breast. And that was fired from a shotgun with a 20 inch barrel. That is not just a little better penetration than lead 6's, that is in a whole other world of penetration. It's also why I will never go back to lead.
Last edited by Todd1700; 02-08-2012 at 07:37 AM.
#13
Really popular here in Ont come Turkey season they are hard to find everyone is sold out.
Last year I loaded in this order #5 3" then two 4x6 3.5"
I figured the bird would be on the run after the first shot so the extra powder and the number 4 shot would get further out.
It was tried but he lived another day
but regardless I think it is a good combo and will load the same this year!Treebeard
#14
Giant Nontypical
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From: Allegan, MI
I use Win. Extended Range 2 3/4" #5 or #6 loads for exactly the reason Todd stated. At up to 40 yards not a bird I've shot since going to them when they were introduced has done anything but flap his wings a couple times in his death reflex!
#17
I shoot the magnum blend as well, have not had a problem so far. I shot 3" win. #6 lead for years, and it was and I still think is a great load, but I've been able to get a lot better range with the hevier loads out there.
#18
Nontypical Buck
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From: Pa
That gun you described prob wont pattern very well beyond 25 yards...
So any turkey load will prob do... Id try Win HV #6's and do like JW said us that turkey target...
That gun is prob going to let you down... Id buy something like a Rem express and a Rem super full turkey choke and some Win HV #5's... That combo will prob get you good from 35-40 yards...
So any turkey load will prob do... Id try Win HV #6's and do like JW said us that turkey target...
That gun is prob going to let you down... Id buy something like a Rem express and a Rem super full turkey choke and some Win HV #5's... That combo will prob get you good from 35-40 yards...
#19
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Spike
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Florida
That gun you described prob wont pattern very well beyond 25 yards...
So any turkey load will prob do... Id try Win HV #6's and do like JW said us that turkey target...
That gun is prob going to let you down... Id buy something like a Rem express and a Rem super full turkey choke and some Win HV #5's... That combo will prob get you good from 35-40 yards...
So any turkey load will prob do... Id try Win HV #6's and do like JW said us that turkey target...
That gun is prob going to let you down... Id buy something like a Rem express and a Rem super full turkey choke and some Win HV #5's... That combo will prob get you good from 35-40 yards...


