Good quotes everyone, but, don't quite know wich is the best, with or without the scope.

I used the Simmons Pro Diamond 4x32 for years and it never let me down, had it on 3" and 3.5" shotguns. Last year I won a Leupold 2-7x32 with a turkey reticle and it also has performed well and I will continue to use the Leupold but I would be just as happy with the Simmons.