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Well i just got back from the Mountains. I went to a spot that i thought for sure i would hear some birds. Didn' t hear S!@#. Left there and wentr back to my brothers cabin to pattern my new Nitro loads and my new Rem 10ga Hevi Shot loads.

I shot the Nitro Hevi Shot first at 40 yards. That suff must not like the tru glo choke i have because it patterned like $#@!. I guess your screwed with those loads unless you buy the Rhino choke too...

I then shot my 10ga with the new Rem 10ga Hevi Shot loads and they shot pretty good. I got around 12-15 hits in the vitals and was pretty happy with them.

I really think unless i can get pattern results as good as Maytom and the others that have tryed Nitro. I will just stick with my Winchester HV loads....

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Mr Longbeard don' t feel bad,, I aswell spent $44.00 for a box of 3in,No 5 Hevi and the Winchester no5' s out shot this new loads. I feel the same and my wife don' t like me know more because of the cost of them. :(...BT

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That is the reason I have' nt made the switch.I can' t see buying a new choke and a box of shells when the winchesters do the job.I did try the remington hevi-shot last year but I could' nt get as good of a pattern as I get with winchester#6.

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Ken, sorry to hear that your not happy with the results of the patterning session. I' m not sure what size choke restriction of a Rhino choke they suggest for a 10 gauge? Stick with your regular loads and choke untill you talk to Ray about which tube to try for your SP-10!! For some reason, those Nitro loads love those Rhino chokes!!

When pattern testing those Remington hevishot loads last spring out of my TRu-Glo choke tube, they actually shot a tighter pattern than with the Winchester HV' s!! Every gun is different, what shoots best out of one, might not out of another.

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At the suggestion of a few friends and people talking about them here I bought
some Winchester HV # 4' s and shot them this morning after work. All I could
say as I walked up to my paper target was WOW. At 40 yards I had a cluster
of pellets inside a 10 circle. My gun and choke really like those shells. After loading
my stuff and dog back in the truck I drove down the road 100 or so yards and
8 hens surprized me my crossing the road followed by a nice gobbler with a
8 to 10 inch thick beard. Man, it was a beautiful morning!!!

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The MAIN reason I went to Nitro ammo is because I GOT FED UP with all the big 3 changing their load recipes every 2 or 3 years. [:@] For a few years, Federal shot best, then they changed SOMETHING WITHOUT TELLING US, [:@] then Winchester shot best for a few years, then they changed SOMETHING WITHOUT TELLING US, then I was back to Federal again, and well you get the picture. All these unannounced changes, and their resulting change in pattern density resulted in causing me to lose turkeys. I finally got fed up with that crap 2 years ago and spent WAY TOO MUCH money finding the right Nitro load for all 3 of our turkey guns. With Nitro stuff, if you order a 510A 4x5 nickel load, you get the SAME THING you got last time, no surprises. That was the selling factor for me.

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Dsheally, could you go into some detail about your setup? Gun, choke, was it the 3 inch shell or the 3 1/2? Thanks

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I' m thinking about taking the " Nitro plunge" next winter. A new Rhino choke and new shells isn' t exactly in the budget for this year. Heck, it' s too late anyway!

PBB

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The Nitros with a Rem. Ventilator works great for me, I always shot Winchester #5' s or 6' s and was pleased with their results, but this Nitro load out does them pretty bad, I guess you could say that my search for a good tight shooting load is over for now.

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Strut, if your looking for Nitro results all you have to do is shoot #7' s. Matter of fact, i saw a Remington #7 Hevi shot load last time i was at Bass Pro. There is no magic to these loads. Just stuff a shell full of birdshot and put a hot charge behind it.

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Gobblenut I' m not talking about the # of shot, I' m talking the size of the pattern, The Nitro' s was at least a foot smaller overall at 40 yards than the Winchesters was.

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Man, i' m not razzing you for what you use. I' m just saying when you push a load of #7' s through a .655 choke your going to get those results. I too have been tempted to go the Nitro route, but evey time i consider it i am reminded by the turks that have fallen to over-the-counter loads at yardages from 10-40+.

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I did' nt take it that you were razzing me, I' m just very pleased with my pattern from the Nitro ammo.The Nitro' s are not just #7' s they are 4x5x7, and looked like about half of them were 4' s and 5' s, and it looks like that the 7 hevi-shot has just about as much stopping power as a 6 lead shot has, they do penetrate deeper than a 5 or 6 lead shot at 40 yards.

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Stut - I have one question about the Nitro Hevi-Shot 7' s and it sounds like you have some info on them. I am not sure I understand what Nitro is saying about the 7' s penetrating. Are saying that even though the Hevi-Shot 7' s carry less energy than lead 5' s at 40 yards, the 7' s are smaller (in diameter), and will still penetrate the skin? I know lead #5' s will penetrate all the way to the vitals at 40 yards, so it would make more sense to me if they said the Hevi-Shot 7' s will penetrate farther than lead #7' s rather than lead # 5' s.

With that said, just breaking the skin with pellets is not enough to put a turkey down. If the Hevi-Shot 7' s do not carry enough energy to break the neck and skull of a turkey at 40 yards, all they will do is cause superficial tissue damage. I understand the Nitro load is also made up of 4' s and 5' s, but when people pattern their guns, they are assuming all of the pellets in the vitals will carry enough energy to be lethal. Otherwise, everyone would have to subtract off all of the #7' s holes from their patterns and just count the 4' s and 5' s.

Does Nitro display any info on this anywhere?

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My gun is a Rem. 870, the shells were 3 1/2 inch Winchester HV #4' s 2 oz. of shot.
The choke is a factory Rem. choke that measures .665 constriction. Wish I had a
scanner to show the target but I don' t. I also bought a box of #6' s in the same
load but can' t shoot them now because of all the snow we got yesterday.[:@]
Honestly, I would rather hunt with the # 4' s anyway.

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HHHMMMM, it just so happens that i too have the Rem Super Full .665 your speaking of, and a buddy of mine has a brand new box of three and a half HV fours he' s not shooting this year. I may have to have a last minute patterning session.

I pulled a quote from a thread elsewhere dealing with the pellet count of a Nitro shell. This guy patterned his gun extensively using some of Nitro' s loads. He would cut a shell open to get a pellet count so he could figure out percentages of shot in a 10 and 15 inch circle...

" This was the Nitro load #H378, 3 inch, 1 7/8 oz., #4x5x7 Hevishot load with the same 2" extended Rhino choke with a .660 constriction. 40 yards. Nitro lists total pellets as 180 to 200. I counted 133 #4 copper pellets, 13 #5 copper pellets and 390 #7 Hevi-Shot pellets for a total of 553 pellets in the shell."

So you can atleast see the basis for my comment in regards to loading up a shell with small shot, pushing it through super tight constrictions, and coming up with awesome patterns. It isn' t rocket science, or magic, just fundamental.

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With the 7' s being smaller than the 5' s but still carrying about the same amount of foot pounds of energy as a 6 shot they will penetrate deeper, it does' nt take as much energy to penetrate a smaller shot as it does a larger shot. I have an e-mail they sent me somewhere if I can find it I will post it. Shoot at a piece of plywood At 40 yards and look at the difference between the 2.

Sure Gobblenutt, I see what you mean, I wish they made some hevi-shot #5' s or 6' s instead of these duplex loads.