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One choke that I have heard good reviews about that is different from the other chokes is the patternmaster. The only problem is that it is like $80. From what i know it has stoppers in the choke to seperate the wad from the shot. From the reviews I have read mainly for duckhunters it gives them allot less cripples.

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alright, been gone for a while. first off, for all of you guys with positive and helpful insight on this matter...Thankyou, that's what this whole website is here for. For you other guys who are so quick to bash another guy on here..Don't you have anything better to do?? In my first post I said a shot at 20 to 30 yards would whack a turkey either way(and it will). I wouldn't take a shot at a turkey with a new gun that I hadn't patterned yet over 30 yds anyways, yet you guys are so quick to play high and mighty that you had to give me a hypothetical situation of a 46 yard shot and try to treat me like I have no idea what's going on. I was looking for some helpful insight from some other guys with the same gun on certain chokes and shots. so next time somebody asks a question, maybe give him a chance to clarify before you go saying that I should not call myself a turkey hunter. Hunters are a family that should stick together, maybe you're the one who should not call himself a hunter.

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Real classy........

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Next time you throw a post out there like that. Add to the post that you have a ranch in florida loaded with Oceola's... Then you would of got all positive feed back;)

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When I had my 11-87 I was shooting a .645 Haystings with #6 Winchesters Awsome all the way out to 52yds
I gave $70 for it about 6yrs ago.

Ron

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Dude, you're the one that's not giving the animal your chasing the respectand take 15 minutesto pattern your gun. Therfore, I can really careless if you think I'm classy or not. Not patterningyour gun is about as stupid as they come..in fact, here's your sign! Not all gun have a perfect point of impact with or withoutturkey chokes. The fact that you think you pattern is good enough without even patterning it show the class that you have.

How do you feel about general hunting safety? Do you think walking in the woodswithout patterning or shooting your gun is a safe way to hunt? Think about it while you growup and give the game you plan on hunting the respect they deserve. If not them, how about considering other hunter(s) that might be in the area you're in when you start blasting that 11-87 away because you onlygrazed him with half your pattern!

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All I asked was what you were going to do. That was designed to perhaps make you find a few minutes to give yourself the option of finding out if you choke and load is capable of ethical shots at that range. Wasn't an insult at all. Were I in your shoes, I'd shoot my old tried, true and tested gun. To be quite honest, I had killed four turkeys before I ever patterned a turkey gun, and I'd been turkey hunting for over ten years. Lesson learned. I never botched one, but I did take a bird at 41 yards with a plain full Rem choke and I looked that bird over very well and couldn't find a pellet hole in him anywhere. I know I hit him somewhere, but it wasn't with many and it wasn't very hard. Come to find out that gun didn't shoot straight.... infact at 30 yards it shoots a good foot and a half low and right.... which is almost perfect for crippling up a bird. All I was saying is that I pretty much concur that unless your gun is built haneously out of spec or just doesn't fit you right at all (and you gotta shoot it to find out if it shoots to POA) then you won't have an issue at 25 yards.... but what do you do if a bird is past that? Thats all.

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swampcollie, I appreciate you clarifying your intentions, and I do understand exactly where you are coming from. the fact of the matter is that I live in the middle of the city here and work long hours during the week. I will be driving to my family farm very early saturday morning for the opener. I did not mean to come off like I was jumping down YOUR throat. MK-M-GOBLE on the other hand has caused me to type the thoughts that I have kept in my head for the last two years that I've been frequenting this website. This has changed from a site where friends with common interests can share their knowledge and experiences to one where people are constantly cruising forums looking to talk down on one another. Man, I'm just `getting sick of it! What if I had been a 10 or 12 year old kid looking to get into hunting and you had talked to me like that?!? do you think that kid would ever want to be associated with people that are so quick to bash him, and tell him that he should not consider himself a hunter?!? He would end up being one of the people talking about what buttholes hunters are. come on man use your head before you're so quick to type on that keyboard. hunters are supposed to stick together so let's quit the BS.

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And those were my intentions... just to share an experience and a bit of knowledge gained through good ol' fashion T&E. Rather than 'post a lecture', I decided to just throw a hypothetical at you. Just something for your consideration. You posted up this thread looking for experience with this kinda thing and irregardless of your intentions or your interpretation of the outcome, you got just that.

My experience tells me not to go afield with an untested gun. Infact I don't even go dove hunting anymore without a gun I haven't made sure shoots to POA.... otherwise I'd just be wasting my time and money. In your situation, I'd really carry the gun you have been hunting with, and pattern your new one after your morning hunt. I suspect your new gun will work out just fine for you, and yes we could spin hypothticals all day, but I KNOW the gun you have tested will work for you. If you offered me two bets... one that was a sure thing, and one that was a 75/25..... I'd take the sure thing.

Speaking of hypotheticals......Hopefully, had you been a 10 or 12 year old, your Daddy would of had the good form of making you practice well in advance of the season to make sure you were ready for the spring. I carried a broke (action open) SxS with two bullets in my pocket like Barney Fife when I was an up and coming bird hunter, ripe old age of 8. I'd killed a deer when I was 6 sitting in my Daddy's lap, but when we were walking in behind our setter, thats when I could load up. Prior to that, I had to carry my Chipmunk .22 when we went, and I was given no ammunition at all... it was a whole year worth of nothing but, open your action here.... unload when you cross a creek... always control your muzzle. I passed the test, and the next year, I carried Barney Fife style for squirrels, always under the careful loving eye and firm loving hand of my Dad, who took a stick to me when I was 12 for taking my safety off walking in behind that same English Setter. Over the top... maybe... but I've never tripped with the safety off and shot a dog either (though I have tripped walking in to flush birds... you gotta look out and up in front of you.... can't look where you are going, just where the birds are going to be when they jump). To this day I don't take the safety off until the gun is on its way to my shoulder and my eyes are already on the bird. I learned that careful and cautious is free.... foolhearty and hasty costs you game... and perhaps MUCH MUCH more.

I'm rambling a bit, but the point of this is that if you are a kid on the internet looking for answers (at that age) then you have a training failure on the homefront... and no amount of internet TLC is going to fix that. However, perhaps an overwhelming abundance of hunters saying WHOA its not done this way would make that kid ask his Daddy just what "shotgun patterning" meant..... hunters do stick together, and we are quick to police our own.... after all thats why we still have animals to hunt.