Mouth Call
 

i just bought a MAD Calls "High Ball 2" mouth call. but i cant get any sound out of it. the directions read "place the call carefully against the roof of your mouth keeping the shortest reed on top and facing out. (this is opposite of all mouth calls on the market)" what am i doing wrong. btw ive never used one. also i got a Knight & Hale Lonesome Hen Call. help please.

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Rat , all mouth calls work the same way, Horse shoe opening out, longest reed to the top or Tab down , place it half way on your tongue and then put your tongue onto the roof of your mouth , take a deep breath and go HECK. Once you get that high pitch , keep the note for a few seconds. Now if you take and lower your Jaw as you have that same note , the pitch will drop keeping a steady flow of out going air. The yelp is 2 notes 1/ high and 1 / low put togeather faster and you got the turkey yelp...BT

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The shortest reed goes below not on top. You will also have to trim it as well.

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It takes LOTS of practice. Check out Cain Creek calls. They are about the same price as most other calls, but sound A LOT better. JMO

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thanks for the info. i can make sound now but im not consistent with it. ill keep practicing. does anyone else have one of those Knight & Hale lonesome hen calls?

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You mean the little green hand held call? If so, I had one and didn't like it at all. I really like most of Knight and Hale's stuff, but that one was a waste of money in my opinion. I couldn't ever get it to sound right and it wasn't built good at all.

I am sure that many like it, but I didn't.

A lot of people are probably going to jump on me about this, but if you want to get serious with callin', stop buying the stuff from wal-martand other mass produced stuffand buy some custom stuff. I done it about two years ago and I was amazed at how much better the calls sound. And at how much money I saved. Instead of having to buy ten calls to get one that sounded good, I could buy ONE.

There is a BIG difference b/t "show grade" custom calls and "hunter grade" custom calls. The show grade calls are going to be a lot more expensive b/c they look good. The hunter grade calls sound just as good, if not better. They just don't have all the pozazy looks whichs makes them cheaper in price. Some of the best calls I've ever seen came out of little ole men's garages, not by the big name guys.A lot of them only ask for enough money to cover materials and a pic of a few birds that you kill using their calls.

Samegoes formouth calls. I bet you I boughta few100 of them until oneday one of my buddies told me about Cain Creek calls. They are custom made callsthat are the same price, and in some cases cheaper than mass produced mouth calls.

Mouth calls are tricky.You have to find one that fits YOUR mouth. I am a member of another forum and a guy onit makes custom mouth calls.Just about everyone on the forum uses his calls and LOVE them, but when I tried them, I couldn't get them to work. Not that they are bad calls,I've seen the results of his calls. They just didn't fit my mouth right. Finding a right mouth callfor metook a lot of work and money. Good luck.

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Well StrutBPS , I hate to disagree with your statements but >I'm going too !

All though Custom calls are sometimes good , the reason of difference is the grade of woods that are placed in these call to repo sound tones that you can not get from mass production. The reason mass production is not as good is because the average hunter will not pay 100's of dollars for a good quality made call. Another difference in Friction type calls are the woods put into Strikers to run these type of pot calls or the Combo woods put into the paddle and box on a Box call.

The same applies with mouth calls , Yes some mouth calls sound better then others , but on the larges point , its the reed number + reed thickness+ reed cut that changes the sound of how one mouth call works over another with anyone person.

Mass production calls are done in lines , that you may have a little difference in the same trype of cut , but on a hunting note , it don't mean a great difference in the woods. Custom calls are generally built one at a time. One of the main reasons for this was for the compation caller that was looking for the consitency in mouth calls. At the same time these calls could be built from the thickness of laytex that the user felt better using.

Over all for a person to start out on a mouth call and learn how to use the call , he or she should start with a 2 reeded 3 mil Clear call. A clear call is a call with No reed cuts in the call at all.

One problem a lot of first time mouth call users have is advice from callers that have used calls for a couple or few years and believe what they are blowing is the best of the best, in fact it is not the best to start out with.

So if you want to learn fast and easy ,, the Wallmart Calls are ok as long as they are 2 reeded clear calls.

I know this because I also make my own mouth calls for comp's and have for years. mass production calls are every bit as good as calls custom or hand made , its the one useing the call that makes the difference...BT

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Ill second Cane Creek, made right here in KY as well. Ill be picking up the Custom Slate and the regular glass calls plus some of their mouth calls in the coming days!

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I don't get how you are suppose to use it at all I have the ww220 the killer bee one and it doesn't make any noice it just makes me talk weird plz give me any help you can thanx

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If I were you I would look into primos calls. Thats all I use. I can't find any mouth calls, or slate calls better. I have killed I don't know how many turkeys from the deadly double diaphram. The turkeys just seem to love it over all my other calls sometimes. I'd give them a try

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i had troublr with regular mouth calls. the primos dome calls work good for me but thats just me

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Agreed. And as others have said...you have got to practice with that thing all day long. It takes a lot to get the hang of the mouth call. Don't get frustrated and give up either...it will pay off in the long run to be able to use the mouth call and have both of your hands free so you can put them on the gun!

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make sure you have the call sealed in the top of your mouth, after you figure that out, it gets alot easier.

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As it pertains to friction calls, this is not exactly accurate. First of all, the high/low yelp of a hen is built into a good custom friction call. Hence the sound board. These $15-20 plastic calls that some makers put out make a decent squeak,and it will call in a bird that has never been called to before and is hot for some action, but please don't confuse that sound with a true to life yelp.Calls without sound boards, orplastic pots with a ridge on the bottom that serve as a sound board will NEVER sound as good as a wellmade pot. Not to a hunter and especially not to a turkey. And will subsequently not produce the same results. Also no "hunting" friction call is going to run you "100s" of dollars. There may be one or two out there I don't know about, but for the most part almost all hunting grade friction pot calls are under $100. Most are in the $50 to $80 range.

Secondly, you are not paying for looks like you are in a presentation call. This is why the NWTF has two classes of competition for call makers; hunting and presentation. Heck, most presentation calls won't even make a sound! Its just a canvas inthe shape of a turkey call.

What you are really paying for is quality control. Most custom calls, such as Woodhaven or Bud and Betty's are made by hand, usually by one or two people. But what really comes in handy is that Mike Pentecost at Woodhaven, and Russell Lynch at Bud and Betty's sound check each and every call that leaves their workshop, and they hand pick which striker goes into each package. Flat calls or "duds", get scraped, not packaged and sold. Itshonestly a good thing to see that scuffed upsquare inch area on a glass or crystal call when its still in the package, because that means someone at the factory took the time to make sure it was right before sending it out to the stores.

No way. Everyone has a different size mouth, and a different size diaphram. The very nature of the difference in the human voice from one person to another shows that to be true. Just like how different people like different pairs of shoes, everyone is built differently. And what feels good to one foot, might feel rotten to another.

Now what is true is that you will get a much raspier sound with more reeds and more cuts. But we all know that, I'm not going to get in to that. But to say that one mouth callwill sound the same no matter who is using it is just crazy. Just look at how Matt Van Cise or Billy Yargas yelp. I know Billy yelps across the call, which makes it that nice high low, and thats built into the reeds just like how its built into a good friction call. If you were to yelp on that call like you typically would a V-cut call you would get a flat, whining yelp that sounds more like a heron then a turkey. But if you yelped across a line built call, you wouldn't get the same quality of sound. It takes a custom call, but it also to some extent takes a custom caller. But these are for judges more than turkeys (although I could make some comments about some of my judges that I won't :D).

This is very true. The reason the Sting Team at woodhaven designs their own calls is the same reason you do. Their calls match their calling style. I like thick, rather stiff, 3 or 4 reed calls for yelping, cutting, and gobbling. I prefer a thinner reed ghost cut for kee kees, or to a lesser extent even for yelping, especially in hunting situations.

Right again. The most aggressive call I would recommend for a beginner would be a Quaker Boy Old Boss Hen. Two reeds with notch cuts. Its a fantastic call, and the very one that I learned how to call turkeys with.

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It takes practice and patience, I couldnt use them at first either but now can make any sound a turkey does including Gobbles , dont give up , I love to use a mouth call the same time im using a friction call sounds like more than one hen fires them boys up

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I'm glad to see your reply swampcollie, since it's very informative. I came in today with the intent of putting in a post about the differant style diaphrams so maybe you'll help me out here. Not trying to hijack this original post,I think ratman21 and others will also benefit. I started witha primos package and am most comfortable with the mini-a w/2 reeds (best fit) but think it may sound to high pitched. So,bought some Quaker Boysand pitch seems to sound better but after a fewminutes in the mouth purring gets more difficult (purrs easily at first) so that's confusing. Also, have some with 1 reed, 2 and 3 reeds andnotched and vee'd. Can youor someone explain the differances? Bottom line is: my intent is to find one mouth call that will suffice for everything because I am doing my hunting with bow only and wantfree hands and not have to change callsevery so often. Is that possible? let me edit real quick, primos reeds seem nice and tight and quakers seem very loose, is that causing my purring troubles possibly?

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Im with trophyhunter on this one the primos mini-sonic dome is the only call Ive found that fits me.

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This is tough to explain and diagnose over the internet without acctually hearing you call. But I'll try to help as best I can. Maybe it will help you find the answer yourself by pointing you in the right direction...

As your mouth warms up the latex, it expands. It becomes more flexible. Over time, the frame will acctually bend a bit as well, and you'll notice the call feels more comfortable in your mouth. Diaphrams have a bit of a breaking in period, and they also have a point at which the latex has stretched so much that you can hardly make a turkeysound with them anymore.

I think a lot of it depends on precisely how you are purring. Purring, and purring well is one of the most difficult things to do on a mouth call, or heck any wind driven call for that matter in any discipline.I personally purr best, by fluttering my lips. Its a delicate flutter, and I throw in a bit of a tounge roll and a bit of vocal vibrations, but its hard to explain it. Exactly what will work best, well, its sort of up to you to figure out. I will tell you this however, some of the sorriest sounds in the forest come from the real thing. I think that rhythm, more so then pitch is the most important part of calling for turkey hunting.But even that comes after volume, and I am writing about AMOUNT, not how loud you call, which would likely be third.

As far as reeds go, it depends again on exactly how you call. The more reeds and more cuts you have, the raspier, deeper and louder a call typically is. Also, the more pressure, or wind, you are going to have to put through it. I am not going to kid you, after practicing for 30 minutes real hard on a Matt Van Cise call, I have a headache. It takes some pressure. Sort of like doing sit ups for a long time. Its not really backpressure, but it sort of is.

With regards to just having one call that does it all....I haven't seen it.(SEEEDIT!!!) Considering that in the course of hunting you sometimes have to make both hen and gobbler sounds, you are trying to find something in a mouth call that not even the turkeys themselves have. A call that does a good kee kee, will often do a so-so yelp, and often a rotten fighting purr (which I think is more important than a hen purr). Calling competitions are certainly not turkey hunting, but it is useful to hunters because it teaches you how to use a turkey call better. The more noises you can make, the better. Comp callers have an assortmentof calls they use in a routine. Usually at least 3 or 4, and each one of those does ONE certain call better than any other they have ever used. And in some competitions (most in fact) you aren't even limited to mouth calls, so why purr on a mouth call when a slate does it that much sweeter, and that much easier? But there again, we are calling turkeys, not judges.

Personally, and here is what you are probably looking for now that I have rambled on too long, I would much rather have a raspier, louder call in my mouth, if I could only have one. Something like a Van Cise Woodhaven, or a V3, or a Sadler McGraw. I can make a passing grade hen purr with just my mouth, tucking the call away in my cheek. Really though, I wouldn't worry about a hen purr too terribly much, yes it is an important call, but most hunters make it WAY WAY too loud. I would focus on yelps, cuts, and clucks. Most importantly, I would use leafing raking, or scratching to finish a bird off. In my experience, this works 10 times better than even the best hen purr I have ever heard (the real thing).

EDIT: There is in fact one call, and in effect one caller that I have seen that can effectively immitate every sound a wild turkey makes, both male and female. The caller is a gentleman from Capron, VA named Tommy Dead-Eye Barham, and the call is a Primos Snuff Tube. Tommy has been using that thing longer than I have been alive. To hear him use it is like hearing a whole flock. He can make it sing like Springstein can make a 6 string sing, which is exactly why if you should buy one, you will see Tommy with a large Gobbler he killed on the face of the package. Will Primos knows talent when he hears it no doubt, and he's no slouch himself.