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Old 12-31-2009 | 11:54 AM
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i think im goin to set some corn out soon and then a trophy rock around march and salt to follow...
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Old 12-31-2009 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Remnard
Mineral Licks should be out year round (where legal). When deer are growing racks they are actually uptaking calcium etc. from existing bone. It is later replaced when they find a source to replenish it. The more of these nutrients they have available to them year round, the less they will have to tap their existing bone structure to achieve optimal growth.

Remember that the bucks are not the only ones needing macro and micronutrients year round. Does need it when lactating, fawns need it to put on vital weight and the necessary bone structure as they grow, which pretty much occurs year round.

To be honest, I would put them out regardless of the law. I would never hunt over them in either case, but I won't deprive my local herd because some paranoid bureaucrat doesn't want anyone hunting over something that may or may not bring a deer close enough to shoot. Hide them in a thicket somewhere, who's going to find them? With the economy the way it is, most agencies have reduced manpower to the point where there are not nearly enough of them to police serious violations, let alone chase someone down for putting out a mineral block.
Mineral blocks, rocks, supplements, home made recipe's etc. do nothing to help bucks grow larger racks other than provide them with a source of salt. Pike
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Old 12-31-2009 | 05:13 PM
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Mineral blocks, rocks, supplements, home made recipe's etc. do nothing to help bucks grow larger racks other than provide them with a source of salt. Pike
Can't say I agree with you there along with many deerologists that write deer columns and are constantly doing scientific experiments.
Have you ever read Deer and Deer Hunting Magazine?
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Old 12-31-2009 | 05:32 PM
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Oh crap. Pike's fixen to school a couple fellas.
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Old 12-31-2009 | 10:15 PM
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Can't say I agree with you there along with many deerologists that write deer columns and are constantly doing scientific experiments.
Have you ever read Deer and Deer Hunting Magazine?
Since I was 12. To date there has not been one study done by any university, institute (other than whitetail institute), biologist that has shown that mineral supplements benefit the whitetail deer in any way.
But since this is the trailcam forum please post pics of just one buck that you feel that your supplements benefitted that particular buck in regards to anterl size. Pike

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Old 01-01-2010 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by J Pike
Since I was 12. To date there has not been one study done by any university, institute (other than whitetail institute), biologist that has shown that mineral supplements benefit the whitetail deer in any way.
But since this is the trailcam forum please post pics of just one buck that you feel that your supplements benefitted that particular buck in regards to anterl size. Pike

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Actually there has been studies done and I found two of them in this article with a google search. The two studies had different outcomes.

http://whitetail.realtree.com/whitet...need-minerals/

Long story short, putting minerals/vitamins will differ in regions.

Regardless whether it works or not in your region, it still is one method of giving deer in your area mineral that they may not have access to and also getting them to a location where you get set up a trailcam on and get lots of pictures.
I know they love the stuff in the summer on my farm. Whether they benefit in the horns I don't know because the neighbors seem to kill all the young bucks and not let them get to 4-5yrs old. It only costs $5 for a mineral block and in one spot two will last all year so to me, thats pretty cheap entertainment.
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Old 01-01-2010 | 08:11 PM
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Pnut please re-read the article you posted, I have posted the same as well as others many times before.
Also please post pics of just one buck that you feel that your mineral supplements have helped the buck grow larger antlers.

Here is an article by QDMA.'s leading biologist Brian Murphy, If anyone would write an article that supported using mineral supplements it would be him since his employer (QDMA) generates alot of advertising $$$$
from companies that produce mineral supplements on their TV show and their Magazine.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A classic study on the mineral needs of deer was conducted at Penn State University in the 1950s. In this study, researchers did detect a difference in yearling buck antler development between supplemented and unsupplemented groups. However, these herds were fed a nutritionally deficient diet below what most whitetails would have access to in the wild. Furthermore, when the same deer were examined the following year as 2.5 year olds, no differences were detected between the two groups.

In a similar study conducted at Auburn University, researchers tried to detect differences in body and antler size between an unsupplemented and supplemented group. This study differed from the Penn State study in that both herds were fed a nutritionally complete diet. In addition, one group was provided a commercial mineral supplement. Over a four year period the researchers were unable to detect any differences between the two deer herds.

Without question deer need minerals, and they will readily use mineral licks. But why do they use these licks and why is their use restricted primarily to the spring and summer? Many hunters believe that it is simply because bucks need the minerals for antler growth and does for raising fawns during these months. However, several studies have shown that while deer readily use mineral licks high in salt, they rarely, if ever, use pure mineral supplements. If deer were lacking minerals, why wouldn't they use the pure mineral supplement even if salt wasn't present? No one can say for sure, but it's probably because most minerals by themselves are bitter.
Could the use of salt/mineral mixes simply be due to an increased need for salt? According to research, yes. During the spring and summer, deer operate at a sodium deficiency due to the high potassium and water content of the forage. This interferes with efficient sodium conversion in the body and increases the need for sodium. This makes deer actively seek out concentrated sources of sodium such as natural or man?made licks. Almost all soils more than 25/50 miles from a seacoast are low in sodium. Therefore, in these areas, salt may be just as necessary as calcium and phosphorus to whitetails during the spring and summer."""""""""""""""""""""'""""""""""""""""""""



Here is what CJ. Winand said in an article on this subject, who by the way is not only a well respected biologist but an editor of Bowhunter mag.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""Over the last several decades, biologists at Universities across the country have researched the effects mineral supplementation has on a bucks' rack. In most cases, they put deer in two pens. In one pen, the deer were feed their regular diet. In the other, the deer ate a mineral in addition to their regular diet. After a few years in most studies, researchers did not see a noticeable difference. Many biologists bring up the research every time a hunter brings up minerals. C.J. Winand, a biologist from Maryland, believes that minerals are hocus pocus. "All of the data available today says that mineral supplementation doesn't have a lasting impact on antler size. Research is being done regularly and until I see a study that shows that minerals help deer grow larger racks, I will continue to believe what I believe," Winand explained."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" "
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Old 01-02-2010 | 06:51 AM
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I keep my mineral lick plenished year round,once it is established I simply add a little every few months and I put out a salt block by it also.Like Remnard mentioned the Doe's and Fawns need it just as much as the Bucks do....and I have plenty of trail camera's showing the Doe's and Fawns using it!


I'm sure that minerals aren't the only thing that help in Antler growth...a healthy Diet is one of the key ingredients to a healthy herd of Deer.

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