Grafs black powder ?
01-26-2017, 12:04 PM
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The "empire" state-NY
Posts: 583
01-26-2017, 12:36 PM
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
I've always been suspicious of Olde Enysford. I wondered how they got that extra power for such a cheap price. We know with American labor it's hard to compete with foreign countries. If you've ever seen how Swiss is made you'd see all the extra steps they go through making their powder. How can Goex do it so cheap when making OE?
I called Goex to talk to them about OE a couple of years ago. I was trying to get them to admit it wasn't a pure black powder formula. They never did, but did tell me their goal was to match Swiss powder. He said they couldn't quite do it, but came close. OE doesn't have the power of Swiss, but it's much closer than regular Goex.
Since Hodgdon owns Goex and makes Pyrodex. I still think something is funny with the OE formula. OE is only $2.00 a lb more than regular Goex, but it's $5.00 a lb cheaper than Swiss. How did they do that?
I called Goex to talk to them about OE a couple of years ago. I was trying to get them to admit it wasn't a pure black powder formula. They never did, but did tell me their goal was to match Swiss powder. He said they couldn't quite do it, but came close. OE doesn't have the power of Swiss, but it's much closer than regular Goex.
Since Hodgdon owns Goex and makes Pyrodex. I still think something is funny with the OE formula. OE is only $2.00 a lb more than regular Goex, but it's $5.00 a lb cheaper than Swiss. How did they do that?
01-26-2017, 06:48 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
It's not just that. Their labor cost is high as well. Even higher than ours. As Pete said, it is a VERY detailed process to make Swiss the top Black powder on the market at this time. And yes OE is close in power but no it isn't as clean burning. BUT it is plenty clean enough! I will still use Swiss almost exclusively but I will probably start using some OE here and there on days when I am feeling really froggy and want to put some serious amounts of lead downrange. I seriously love my BH209 but that chit is EXPENSIVE to be loading my BP cartridge guns with!
01-27-2017, 09:19 AM
#20
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 12,746
If I were to buy in bulk then the hazmat fee wouldn't be much of a problem. I can get Goex just down the road anytime. I would like to give Swiss a shot and see how it is. Especially in my .54s and .58