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MountainDevil54 11-09-2016 05:39 PM

Traditions St.Louis Hawken Build How To
 
Traditions St.Louis Hawken .50cal Percussion Kit Build Along

Well, After a week solid of thinking, It was time to purchase a new side hammer to replace my "old" one that was getting a little to heavy for me in the mountains.

I decided to go and get the St.Louis Hawken .50cal kit. Why .50cal? I am lucky to hunt Colorado big game every 2 -3 years depending on what I am putting in for. Our draw system really stinks, but what can you do? Besides to hog hunting in Oklahoma with a good buddy!

Also, Due to the fact I don't get to hunt every year for deer or elk, the .50cal round ball is perfect for target shooting. Super easy recoil, cheap to cast or even to buy, and basically, if I ever need to use a conical, a .50cal is the way to go due to the market being FULL of .50cal projectiles.

After a long search, I ended up at Muzzle-loaders and after some more time of looking around online for the best prices, they won and I put in a call and it was out on the truck that evening! Also got online and ordered a Birchwood Casey stock finish kit, along with cleaning patches I know I will need, and a bottle of their Rusty Walnut stain. I plan on using their Walnut and Rusty walnut stains to help pop the figure and add a nice fire like glow. That is of course unless I change my mind as I normally do!

This article is going to be a huge helper to anyone building this model and I plan to cover everything from the basics, upgrading and of course, problem areas that I encounter to help the next Builder should he or she run into an issue while they build their own St.Louis Hawken kit!

This kit ran $318 + $8 shipping. Some places wanted MORE for a kit, than Muzzle-Loaders wanted for the factory built rifles!

Why a kit? Simply because I can control the quality of the finished product, but add my own personal touches such as stain, stock finish, barrel finish and of course, the modifications I will be doing!

If you want to look into a new gun or a kit gun, check out www.muzzle-loaders.com they have the best prices by far on the Traditions guns.




The rifle kit comes with the users manual as well as a couple manuals to help you along with the build, offering tips and tricks for properly fitting parts to the wood and what to look for along the way if you are having issues. Very helpful booklets!


Using a pencil, I traced around the lock plate and used a spade shovel like wood scraper and 100 grit sand paper to gently open up the inletting. You don't want your inletting super tight, because once you stain and then start applying oil, it will build up and make for an even tighter fit.


Look for obvious rub marks such as these! Remove wood if needed. Once I had the inletting open enough for the lock to fit nicely. I used a small plastic mallet and tapped the lock into the inletting even more to make sure all fit well. These rub marks caused no issues and was just the bridle rubbing. You can open these areas up if you want, but if it doesn't cause any binding issues, all will be fine.


Below we can see a little "slag" that will need to be cleaned up for a nice metal to wood fit. The butt plate will also need a slight polishing before being antiqued. I really honestly do dislike brass. Metal is much nicer when browned.


A little extra wood in this area below is great as it allows YOU to fit the butt plate perfectly to the wood and get the shape just right.


Before removing any wood from the Tang area, Always check and decide if it will need a little bedding for a perfect rock solid fit. In my case, I will bed the tang & trigger plate as these are issue areas that can cause the tang screw to loosen up over longer shooting sessions.

Lets think about it for a minute... Wood.... Steel.... High recoil... Movement.... When you start shooting heavier loads such as conicals, any movement in this area WILL cause the metal to eat into the wood and change the balance of how well the wood to metal fit is. I always bed these areas to make them super strong and handle any extra recoil it may see one day.


The nose cap needs quite a bit of wood removed, but luckily, this is a very easy area to work on as its just straight and round at the bottom. Remove the wood with a file and sand paper until the nose cap is a nice easy slip fit. Drill holes and wax screws before installing! Brass screws can snap off if not waxed! Once the nose cap has been screwed into place you can use masking tape on the brass and then go about shaping the wood around the nose cap.



Inspect all metal to metal contact parts for burrs such as this burr below. A metal file will easily remove it and make for a better fit into the tang.


Two screw holes! Yes, sadly, this kit comes with plastic sights that screw into place. In my opinion it costs more to drill and tap these holes than to just machine a dovetail like they did on the front sight!


Factory plastic sights VS a Hawken drill and screw on sight available from the Hawken Shop. I have not made up my mind as to using this sight or just cut the dovetail in the barrel flat and install better sights. I honestly feel that cutting the dovetail is the best way to go.


One of the first things I looked at when I opened the box was the barrel! Always inspect the crown for major nicks/burrs. A burr can cause poor accuracy and cut patches. This crown was perfect and shines like a chrome finish.


The trigger guard WILL need inletting extended in order to properly fit. In the building manual is clearly states " DO NOT BEND TRIGGER GUARD TO MAKE IT FIT!" Breakage of the trigger guard is NOT covered under warranty.


Start of inletting - Stop of Inletting needed


The wood actually has some real nice pattern in it and I will be able to make areas like this, pop out very nicely once I start applying a finish.



Inletting shows some run off from the milling machine. The barrel seems to fit perfectly, but I will smoke the barrel and lay it in the channel to find if this is causing any uneven seating issues.


Now to start inletting the trigger guard, I actually went and inletted it a little more than usual due to the angle the trigger guard goes in, it needs some extra room otherwise it WILL scrape the finish off the first time you remove it to drop out the trigger for cleaning. First I installed the front section and screwed it down. Next I lined the rear section up with the inletting and traced around it using a pencil.


This looks a little off and it is. Once you start, you can always remove a little more. Its better to remove less than take out to much all at once.


Using my wood scraper, I lightly tapped on the back end of the scraper and traced the pencil line and very carefully, started to remove pieces of wood.


This is not completely finished. I finished and evened this out later by wrapping a piece of 100 grit sand paper around a pencil and went to work sanding it even and smooth. Remember, a little extra room in this section of the trigger guard is a must! I have factory finished rifles that now lack stain/finish due to them being tightly inletted.


Fitting the nose piece was no big deal. File off a little more wood than needed so you can perfectly adjust the nose cap with the top of the wood. * Note * Install percussion/Flicklock and see if the metal of the lock sits evenly or above wood line. If the lock sits above the wood line, install the nose cap perfectly flush with the wood. You'll see what I mean a couple pictures down.


Originally the wood was flush with that brass bumper you can see above the wood/empty space. This position actually put the brass ABOVE the wood line, therefore, I removed extra wood so I could center the nose cap perfectly level with the wood.



Now this is what I am talking about above a couple pictures! Notice how the lock metal sits ABOVE the wood line? Normally this should sit flush but lets face it, its a $318 kit gun and not everything will be perfect. You could file or grind this part of the lock down for a flush metal to wood fit, or you can do like me and say to hell with it, It's not a multi-thousand dollar rifle, the deer won't notice! It doesn't hurt the function of the the rifle in any way.


The top section of the butt plate had a burr under it * Note the first pictures in this thread * I simply used my file and knocked it down and rechecked fit. All was good! I still have to file the metal to the wood, but that comes later as its very easy to do.


Now also getting back to some earlier shout outs about the barrel channel inletting, I used a few matches and blackened the bottom and sides of the barrel and gently laid the barrel into place, squeezed the barrel into place and with a plastic mallet, gave it a couple knocks to leave an imprint. This unfinished section of barrel inletting was fixed by using a straight scraper and now the barrel sits level. Black line shows how much I had to remove for a nice barrel to wood fit.


dustyr 11-10-2016 12:49 AM

I built one of these a few years ago, was my fifth Traditions kit. Not the most challenging, but is the most accurate shooter.

cayugad 11-11-2016 09:43 AM

I never built the kit. But a friend of mine shoots that rifle. Its a good shooting little rifle.

MountainDevil54 11-28-2016 11:17 AM

Really nice and dark! I buffed it back with steel wool and tested with boiled linseed oil. The color is perfect. Got it soaking in BLO now to presoak the wood and then apply truoil tomorrow afternoon.

bronko22000 11-28-2016 02:44 PM

A lot of work but its worth it in the end. Not only for a good looking piece but also the satisfaction that you did it yourself.

MountainDevil54 11-28-2016 02:48 PM

yep! I already got a spot on the wall for it.

I thought about leaving the lock silver, but with the brown barrel and brass, kinda just to much going on for another color.

Looking forward to getting some truoil laid down!

bronko22000 11-28-2016 08:47 PM

Jon you're making me think of a project for over the winter while I'm in Florida. Last year I purchased a T/C Hawken at an on line auction and took my time refinishing the stock and polishing the brass. I must have put 15 coats of TruOil on it. But it came out really nice.

52bore 11-29-2016 06:01 PM

Interesting. Your note on 50 cal caught my eye as the recent Oct. issue of MuzzleBlast had an interesting article about the Bridger Hawken. In the article reads some history of Sam Hawkens move westward into CO and made note of the 50 being so popular was because of the availability.

52bore 11-30-2016 06:05 PM

Have to clarify myself. The article DID NOT mention 50 cal and availability. I recalled that today and confirmed by re-reading the article, the author told me that when I visited him in September on my way to Friendship. He's also planning 2 additional Hawken articles and supporting rifles - repo's that he is building.
The Bridger Hawken - 1866 was a 54 cal.

MountainDevil54 12-06-2016 09:01 AM

Still applying thin coats of truoil- but heres some examples of the stain color and the grain.


MountainDevil54 12-20-2016 02:09 PM

Just some progress, but you can see the stock is completely finished and ready to go! Just waiting on the barrel,under rib,lock and hammer to finish browning.

MountainDevil54 01-01-2017 12:06 PM

Finished gun on page 1!

Blackpowdersmoke 01-02-2017 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 4287940)
Finished gun on page 1!


Nice job Jon... looks great!! And a very informative write up for anyone looking to pursue a kit gun project.


BPS

super_hunt54 01-02-2017 10:27 AM

Imma gonna be picky here kiddo. Pick #1: That work you did on the Patch Box doesn't look like patina. It looks like it's been rubbed (which it was). Pick#2: I have seen you do MUCH better fit and finish work. It looks like you rushed through all the fitting of your brass. Uneven and imprecise wood to brass fit. Especially around the lock panel and the butt plate.

Coloring of the stock came out beautiful which is a usual for you. Barrel came out nice with that browning. Lock and Hammer looks a bit spotty in the browning but that happens a lot with them so can't really pick at that.

Over all, in comparison to your usual work, I gotta give you a c+. With this being a sort of "tutorial", I expected your BEST Jon!!

MountainDevil54 01-02-2017 11:23 AM

Patch box was dark gun metal like the trigger guard, its worn off while handing/ moving around in the case, which is whats to be expected. Thats easy enough to redo, but what ever rubs it, is going to leave uneven appear, just like patina. Note the wedge key plates as well. Those were gun metal color, but now have worn down to aged brass.

As for fit and finish, you need yer eyes checked! the metal to wood is perfectly even, all except for the trigger guard where I state i purposely left extra wood for future refinish work in case of damage.

If you want to nit nick, go to those for $4000 rifles that look beat the heck up but are brand new :D

This is a clean machine with excellent wood to metal fit and artificially aged.

Blackpowdersmoke 01-02-2017 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by super_hunt54 (Post 4288088)

Over all, in comparison to your usual work, I gotta give you a c+. With this being a sort of "tutorial", I expected your BEST Jon!!

For the love of God and Sonny Jesus...he's not HERSCHEL HOUSE!! :rolleye0011:

BPS

MountainDevil54 01-02-2017 02:39 PM

If'n I was house, There would be gouges and scrapes all over it :D Then have a $4000 price tag.

MountainDevil54 01-02-2017 02:53 PM

BTW I took a little steel wool, buffed it and added a few more coats of brass black. It will do the same thing and wear off again, but you get the idea.

Blackpowdersmoke 01-02-2017 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 4288144)
If'n I was house, There would be gouges and scrapes all over it :D Then have a $4000 price tag.

HAHAHAHA!!...When I was a kid, I used to keep the brass on my first Hawken rifle shiny and bright. As I got older I realized that's not a good thing if you're going to hunt with the rifle and as I got older yet, I gravitated toward the Renegades and others that didn't have all that bling.
The brass has dulled up now on my older Hawken rifles and they look just fine by me!

BPS

MountainDevil54 01-02-2017 03:11 PM

exactly, I HATE brass. Its ok when its aged, but shiny or dull, I just flat out hate it. The steel trim kit available is a PITA so its not even worth swapping. Cerakote is another option.

super_hunt54 01-02-2017 04:05 PM

Hey, Ifn I don't prod tha boy WHO WILL!!! Gotta keep the kid on his toes ya know :D

MountainDevil54 01-02-2017 09:59 PM

Had the first shot get away a lil bit, but the next 4 were great for 50 yards! Tomorrow I will try 100 yards to see how low it shoots, but mainly spend my time at 75-85 yards.

MountainDevil54 01-04-2017 07:44 PM

First shots from 100 yards. Got another video but have to wait till 2am to upload it as its larger.

MountainDevil54 01-08-2017 10:33 AM

80gr 2fg Olde Eynsford

first shot was 100 yards, next 2 were at 80 yards on the ATV seat.

MountainDevil54 01-13-2017 05:14 PM

Floyd and I this morning found a big surprise in one of the traps! I finished it off and we went back for the hoist and went and got my dad and brother so we could skin her out. Floyd said 200+ lbs. After the shot, the hog died on top of the door and we had pure hell trying to move her off it due to her size and having to reach in between the bars on the trap. Lots of bacon on her!



Believe it or not, this is the ENTRANCE hole.

exit,


super_hunt54 01-13-2017 06:18 PM

Couple of nice hams on that girl! And why for make a body shot? Pop that broad in the head and save some meat!!! Can't be honking up the ribs on a porker like that in a trap!!!!

MountainDevil54 01-13-2017 06:37 PM

only one rack of ribs was ruined, everything else was perfecto!

I didn't want to ruin the skull cap. I skinned the head and will bring it home to boil and make a nice mount to remember the days of hunting with ol falcon.

The bottom jaw on a hog is just amazing, it reminds me old the old cavemen, just massive bone structure.

Muley Hunter 01-14-2017 08:26 AM

Skull with a hole in it would be more interesting.

cayugad 01-14-2017 08:31 AM

Lots of fat on that hog. Its been eating well. That should be good eating. And smoking the bacon would be some excellent eating. Nothing better then home smoked bacon.

falcon 01-14-2017 06:49 PM

i fired Jon's rifle today. The rifle has the best sights i've seen in many years.

GOOD OLE BOY 01-15-2017 03:39 PM

Beautiful.The order you did the stock is stain,then tru-oil,then blo?

MountainDevil54 01-15-2017 04:23 PM

stain, blo then truoil once that blo has sucked up into the stock and dried.


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