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crawdad375 01-15-2008 04:04 PM

Shooting to the right
 
I am new to traditional shooting and need yalls help. My shooting is getting better but I keep shooting right. I feel like I am not hitting where I should (left to right). My setup is: Hornes longbow, 29.5" draw, 7" brace,GT 5575 with 5" feathers (full length), anchor corner of the mouth, and I shoot 1 over with a glove. Any help will be more than appreciated.


BobCo19-65 01-15-2008 04:18 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
I can't tell to much about your setup since I really have no experience with carbon.

I'm assuming your setup is correct and you are right handed.

Here are a fewof the reasons that I shoot right:
1. I am keepingan unconsistant grip. A lot of people keep a real loose grip during the draw, but at the point of the shot seem to grip the boweither before or during the release.
2. I am not drawing the bow straight back to the anchor or adjusting the draw hand while already at anchor.
3. I am letting the string creep ever so slightly just before the release.
4. My bow arm is collapsing. This seems to happen more when I move to heavier poundage bows.
5. My draw hand is coming away from my face at release.

Hope that helps,
Bob

Schultzy 01-15-2008 07:00 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
My biggest thing is gripping my bow to much when shooting off to the side like you are.

bigcountry 01-15-2008 07:36 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
I have all kinds of shooting issues, but shooting to the right is not one of them. Only way I shoot to far to the right is way too cant. How much are you cantting?

wabi 01-15-2008 08:02 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
Could be arrow spine. Do you have any other arrows you could try?

Schultzy 01-15-2008 10:18 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
It could be that your peaking too when you release the bow.

crawdad375 01-16-2008 06:28 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
I forgot to add that I am shooting 56 pounds. I have shot Carbon Express 350 and 250's without much difference. I will pay more attention to yalls suggestions and see what happens.

Schultzy 01-16-2008 06:53 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 

ORIGINAL: crawdad375

I forgot to add that I am shooting 56 pounds. I have shot Carbon Express 350 and 250's without much difference. I will pay more attention to yalls suggestions and see what happens.
Right or left handed?

bigcountry 01-16-2008 08:11 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 

ORIGINAL: crawdad375

I forgot to add that I am shooting 56 pounds. I have shot Carbon Express 350 and 250's without much difference. I will pay more attention to yalls suggestions and see what happens.
Holy cow, those both are very stiff spines. Have you bareshaft tuned it to see how the bareshafts are hitting in relation to fletched? You do have feathers I am guessing? For that bow, I recommendeven weaker spines than the 250. I might go with a 2020 aluminum. But thats assuming your shooting a 31" shaft and 125tip. Lots of assumes.

crawdad375 01-16-2008 09:29 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
Right handed and shooting feathers. Like I said I am new to traditional so do you shoot the spine weight lighter than you would in a compound. If so how do you figure the deflection?

bigcountry 01-16-2008 09:39 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 

ORIGINAL: crawdad375

Right handed and shooting feathers. Like I said I am new to traditional so do you shoot the spine weight lighter than you would in a compound. If so how do you figure the deflection?

Well, those spines are .4" and .35" accordingly. I meanI shoot .35" for a 70lb compound. And .4" for a wheeledcompound. For a bow like that, you would want .45". Or you can increase your point wieght. I bought points from 100gr to 250gr jsut for these purposes. I suggest bareshaft tuning using various point wieghts. You don't have a movable rest to compensate for stiff or weak arrows like compound, so you have to do it by cutting shaft length or increasing point wieght.

Alot of this depends on your release how crisp it is.

Arthur P 01-16-2008 09:44 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
The guys have covered most things that can cause shooting to the right. One thing has yet to be mentioned though. Are you sure your anchor puts the arrow directly under your eye and not to the left of it?

Stand in front of a good sized mirror, draw your bow and aim at your eye in the reflection. Is the point of the arrow aimed at your eye or off to the right? If you're not looking directly down the arrow at your eye, then let down and move your anchor to the right and try again. Keep doing that until you find the magic spot where everything lines up.

BobCo19-65 01-16-2008 09:57 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
Here is a link that may or may not help:

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burniegoeasily 01-16-2008 11:53 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
If it were me, id bare shaft test the arrows to see if its a spine issue. If its not, then id work on my grip and follow through. Might be hand torqueing it.

crawdad375 01-16-2008 02:04 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
What distance do you usually shoot when you bare shaft test?

SteveBNy 01-16-2008 02:11 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
Probably way overspined - to the point where the tail of the shaft is hitting the riser and kicking left so the point goes right.

What works best for me is the tuning method at the following link: http://www.acsbows.com/bowtuning.html

Going way up in point wieght will weaken the dynamic spine if you do not have other arrows available. I believe the Horne is cut only to 1/8" of center - a 460 to 500 deflection (depending on point wght) should work better.

Steve

bigcountry 01-16-2008 02:19 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 

ORIGINAL: crawdad375

What distance do you usually shoot when you bare shaft test?
I start off at 10 yards with trad bows, and then move out to 20 yards and then out to 25 yards. Only bad part about this, is you really need to be able to hit consistently. When I first started trad shooting, my biggest problem, was I coudlnt' hit consistent enough to be able to know what I am doing bare shaft shooting.

jboynjazz 01-16-2008 02:36 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
i would even try to do alittle blind bale shooting and maybe it is a mind thing. when i shot my compound alot and would have problems i would do that and pull everything back together. as itturned out for me, most of my problems were in my head.

crawdad375 01-16-2008 03:01 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
I will start shooting different spines and will bare shaft them. I have shoot blind, just like my compound, and hit to the right from where I think I should be.

SteveBNy 01-16-2008 03:27 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
Try the bareshaft grouping method at the link I gave you - it takes some of the form errors out of the equation allowing you to get a better read on if your spine is close.

Steve

crawdad375 01-16-2008 04:44 PM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
I must say you guys are awsome. It is incredable the information that is available on here. It would take months or years to gather the info you have given my. My hat is off to everyone here.

crawdad375 01-19-2008 10:12 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 
I shot several different spine weights and several different types of arrows and guess what. Decreased the spine weight and they flew much better. I did get to fling a couple of wood arrows and I believe its time to start shooting wood. I really like the way they shoot. Thanks a bunch for all the information.

bigcountry 01-19-2008 10:22 AM

RE: Shooting to the right
 

ORIGINAL: crawdad375

I shot several different spine weights and several different types of arrows and guess what. Decreased the spine weight and they flew much better. I did get to fling a couple of wood arrows and I believe its time to start shooting wood. I really like the way they shoot. Thanks a bunch for all the information.
Thats awesome. I love shooting cedars,I just didn't like cedars from 3rivers. over half were not straight grained. In consistent spine, and I could not keep straight. I would spend over an hour carefully straightening, and after a few shooting sessions, look like a dogshind leg.

I won't give up on POC. But will shop around carefully next tiem.


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