Turbo Nocks
 

Sorry if there is already a thread on this but i was wondering for the people who use turbo nocks how do you like them? And what are the advantages and disadvantages of using them rather then fletchings?

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I have some, but I just havn't made myself try them.

I gave some to a buddy of mine and he wasn't impressed. He said the arrow seemed unstable in flight compared to the arrows he was shooting fletched with vanes.

I am going to try them sometime....My initial thought would be if they were that good, a lot more people would be using them. I rarely hear of people shooting them on the forum.

...but, again, I have NOT personal tried them yet.

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These are the problems one has when they introduce a new and radical concept.
First if I say too much I will be accused for "pimping " my product on this site.
Second you ask a question and are getting info that a buddy tried them and did not like them.and a second buddy who has not shot them is giving advice.
The biggest problem we have with new shooters is that they may be experts in tuning arrows and bows. But they have only tuned conventional fletched arrows with straight nocks. Common sense prevaling if you have a bow tuned to shoot an arrow that is only using wind resistance for stability, then you put on an arrow that has rifling , it seems logical you may have to do a little retuning. If you are shooting bullet holes with a regular arrow, the TURBO usually gives a slight low left tear and can be tuned by slightly raising the nocking point or lowering the rest.
Another problem I found is that when I suggest people go to the source for information such as our website, where we have over 60 Team TURBO shooters who will help you.( Including a new team member, Randy Oitkier ,Two time jr world champ)
The response is Well they are on your team , who is going to believe them?
Most of our team members are amatures and their pay is two dozen free turbos and dealer prices on any additional.
The real reason they are on the team is that they love this sport and have found that the turbo has at least for them provided more consistant accuracy ,penetration, trajectory , and more devastating kills.

If you want to get info on the TURBO try our website and hear from folks who actually use them. www.turbonock.com

If you want to read a lot of info both positive and negative ( some do not like our product)
Go to www.archerytalk.com and just type ing turbo nock in their search engine. you will get literally hundreds of strings on the turbo.
Type in any search engine and you can find several thousand headings on turbo nock some in other languages. I just checked google and there were over 6000. How many are relavant I do not know.

The reason you do not see many folks using the turbo (yet) is that this is only our third year in businiss. Four years ago there were only 12 archers shooting it. Last year Cabela's started selling our Hunter model . This year Cabela's picked up our T-4 and HTAX. Why?? At least for their company Turbos are becomming more and more popular and usually when a company like Cabelas reorders from a manufacturer is because the product is selling. Cabelas sells direct to hunters, and have been doing quite well with our product.

We do have problems getting archery shops to carry our product. The original TURBO Nocks eliminate the fletching process which is a revenue generating issue . Secondly
most do not understand the rifling concept and will not accept that less vanes will make an arrow more accurate. Yet no one fletches bullets ??????

I hope I provided you with some helpful insights without "pimping"


I am attaching a photo of GRANDPAWRICHARD

( Dick Raymond Jr.) He is our Team Coach. He has shot three 300 Vegas rounds CLEAN ( all X s ) in the past two years.If you go on most any archery site you will find he is a member and is a great lover of this sport. None or our team members would push a product down your throat for some financial gain. there is none.
I love this sport and so do they and for those who are willing to take a little chance and try something a little different, most are happy with the change.


One more issue and I am done. We try to visit all the archery sites as often as possible.
This is why. Even though every package we sell has our toll free number, TUNING TIPS and a website for assistance. It seems Most who have a problem bypass all of our assistance and go and complain on their favorite website. It is just human nature ???
"The good deeds of men are oft interred with their bones" This is a quote from Shakespear and can be found of Winston Churchill"s Tombstone.

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I don't think I was complaining.....

I just reread my post and NOPE. I wasn't. :D

I simply stated that I had not had the opportunity to try them and a buddy of mine had so that was the only feedback I had.

Apparantly if you want "more devastating kills" you should use the turbonock!!!:D Not exactly sure how a plastic wing thingy on the back of your arrow can accomplish this.;):D

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i use the turbo-nocks and love them. Beats refletching arrows ill say that upfront. Im not sure where more devasting kills came in to play???:eek: Also i have noticed that there was some eratic arrow flight. I also realized my bow wasnt turned PROPERLY to shoot the nocks so i retuned my bow to shoot them properly. For all you speed demons out there yes they do cause you to pick up a little speed but not a whole lot. I do recommend them but tuning the bow is neccessary like with any other item you add to your bow any time. As far as the wingy thing on the back, well when the bow is tuned properly you should have very little unstable flight. Also looks like to me the arrow would spin faster with no fletching with the turbo on??Some people like fletching some poeple like the nocks. Id recommend trying the nocks, if u dont like them use your flectched arrows. Me personally i went and bought a 1/2 dozen arrows and shot them with the nocks and after a week went by, i had a dozen and half arrows with turbo's on them. Remeber there are negative and positive's to everything. I asked my local shop about them and they said well they were just a trend which is where the statement made earlier comes in to play about revenue they make from feltching arrows (1.50 a piece) helps them produce money. Will you have mroe devasting kills? NO. Will you pick up significant times on the chrono??? Maybe a couple of feet per second. But when the bow is tuned properly I noticed after I started using them my groups were tighter, arrows flew more true than conventinal fletching. Just my experiences.

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I tryed the t4s and was impressed , you still have to fletch your arrows useing these , arrow flight was great . They just when allitle higher than my regular nocked arrows .

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Sorry Btomlin, I was not jumping on you.
It is just these same issues keep coming up over and over again.

A person asks advice on the net. then in your case you state you gave them to a buddy to shoot and the buddy was not impressed with the stability . I am willing to bet since you had not shot them yet that you did not give him the tuning tips sheet that was included in the packaging. So he went out stuck on the nocks and had no idea about how the twisted nock effects arrow flight.

As to more devastating kills. You are missing the point .

A conventional arrow with a straight nock will get a broadhead spinning about 400 rpm 20yds away from the bow. A broadhead spinning at that speed usually makes a clean X entrance wound. The smaller your wound entrance and exits the less bleed out you get.

A TURBO NOCKED Arrow ( with that plastic thingy on the back) Leaves the bow depending on you bow speed between 7000 and 9000 rpms from most hunting setups.
When a 7000 rpm broadhead hits an animal you get a round entrance wound rathen than an X that can close easily.
Most of my staff shooters do not even glue the TURBO NOCKS in because they have found that usually the Nock will pop off and be laying within a few feet of where the blood trail starts. How many times have you made a tree stand shot late in the day and then got down on the ground and tried to figure where the deer was and if you hit it.
well If you see the plastic thingy laying on the ground and it is easy to see you have just proved you hit the deer and are very close to the blood trail.

Again I was not jumping on you , but trying to provide information on these type of questions which seem to come up quite a bit on the internet.

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"My initial thought would be if they were that good, a lot more people would be using them. I rarely hear of people shooting them"

My thoughts EXACTLY! :)

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Il. cornfed. You are correct you have not heard of them. that is the best reason I can think of not to use them.

You will hear very little of them on this site because manufacturers are not to promote their products here. I will not directly promote here , but will respond to issues . such as this thread.

If you check out the Archery Talk site, the pse Site, The Archery Site , Archery Dealer.com
or just click on Google or some other search enging.
There are nearly 7000 headings about TURBO NOCK on Google.

All I can say is that four years ago 12 archers were using them. Now there are thousands. there are millions of archers so there is a good chance you have not seen them.
Most of those who have tried them and were willing to make small adjustments to their set ups have been quite pleased.

I went to the Harrisburg sport show many years Ago when Fred Bear and Tom Jennings brought that first Whitetail compound to the show. My Dad was an archery dealer and we sold recurves. He took a look at the Awful ugly bow with wheels all over the place and said . (t that time most people had never seen a compound before. ) That will never replace the good old recurve! We were out of the recurve business in two years.

There are some archers beginning to use our product . Last year Cabelas only carried our hunter model. This year they are carrying the Hunter, HTAX and the T-4 and their first order was more than they ordered for the entire year last year.

I guess we are all different. some people are willing to try something new others are not
that is what makes the world go round.

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Doesn't make it difficult to find the arrow after a hit if the main coloring comes off at impact?

I would personally rather have the arrow to tell where I hit than the blood on the ground. Just my personal preference.

Main reason I haven't tried them is that it appears they will not clear the string and cables or the riser. I would hate to hit the string and cable at "mach 1" with the hard fins. I would think they would be pretty hard on a string if they impacted it. I shoot a Q2.

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You Q2 is the only bow that has a cable clearance problem. and it is not adjustable.
Virtually all other bows on the market have been shot with the TURBO and no problem.
I have had about six shooters have problems with the Q2.
and do not recomend the TURBO for that bow.

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You wont have a problem with the t4's , check them out . Im not pumping Nicks probuct , but seriously I dont know how pepole can put down a product they haven't tryed themselves . Reminds me of the Wisker Bisquet rest , pepole hammered it allso without even trying it , and the thing works great .

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If the T-4's are the nocls with a twist?
Do they release the arrow in a right wing fashion?

My hunting pardenr was asking about them and he fletches left hand and I mentioned a possible conflict in spin.
Are they fletch direction dedicated?

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Dave they are for right heilical , or offset . not left

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Well over a year ago I ordered a dozen turbos from the website. Got them in a timely maner which was great..no problem there. I shot at that time a SQ2, and after shooting a half a dozen and not getting good flight. Well I started checking things over and noticed that the vanes were hitting the cable. Guess what happens when these babies hit a cable? Yep slice it. Had to get a new cable installed on my bow before I would dare shoot it again. It looked like it would clear the cable when I checked it before firing the first shot, but I was wrong. I called the number on the website and told them of my fustration with cutting of the cable on my bow.[:@] The resoponse I got was, oh that's too bad, never heard of that before, and not really our problem kind of a thing. Not really the response I was looking for in a new company trying to get a good name in the bussines. They are now in the city landfill, and needles to say will not be buying anymore of this product. So, when Nick is saying he has only heard of 6 shooters having this problem and only with a Q2,,,,guess I don't believe him since I talked to them personally a couple of times about this problem with my bow. Buyer beware that they will clear your cables, if not you will be on the way to the archery store for some new strings for your bow.
Just my experience with them.

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Hey Btomlin . since the nocks you have will not suit your bow. If you return them to me I will send you some t-4s that will work with your regular fletched arrows.
And will work with the bow.
just send them to TURBO NOCK, inc
165 south 4th st, Hughesville pa.
put in a little note mentioning this web string so I know when I get them . and a return address

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Bear Guy. I apologize for your frustration with the problem you had. I remember your calls. This is no excuse but at the time I was on some painkilers for a medical problem and was not thinking clearly for a few days. the stuff was oxycotin or something like that and it really changed my personality.
Let me know what your strings cost and I wll take care of them and refund your money on the nocks.
Again I apologize

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In the mail. Thanks

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Thanks for the response Nick. Not too many guys in this business would offer what you did to fix the problem I had with the turbos. I sent a pm to you, don't worry about the strings. Mighy kind of you but that has been some time ago and have a different bow now. Thanks though.

The archery business needs more people like this! Ready to help fix a problem instead of the usuall blow off.
Thanks

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Well I went to the mail box a couple of days ago and there was a pack from Turbo Nock. Nick sent me a dozen T-4's and a half a dozen T-4's in the glow. Well it took a whole 5 minuites or so before they were flying through my back yard. They shoot great. I set up my paper tuner and shot a few arrows through it, no problem shot a bullet on the second shot. I shoot a string loop and had to spread it apart a bit to accomidate the thicker nock without pinching at full draw. Took them to a 3D shoot on Sunday and shot a good round, and tied the guy that usually wins the thing.;) I also shoot blazer vanes. The talk of the archery shoot wasn't the 30mph winds and some rain, but it was these arrows. Nobody around here carries the new stuff, so everybody wanted to see how the arrows shot. So we started shooting a deer at 110 yards or so, just so everyone could see how they fly. I couldn't believe it when I actually hit the thing on the 5th shot. Got an 8 too!!:) The T-4's really put some spin on them arrows, everybody noticed that. I busted a couple of arrows doing this as we forgot about all the rocks in the ground and backstop. Oh well! haha I ended up leaving the shoot with a few less turbos by giving some to friends to try out, and never got back![&:]. Everyone (me included) was impressed with how these arrows flew in the strong wind. They didn't drift as much as the other arrows people were flinging at the deer.

Thanks Nick for sending these to me, looks like I will have to order some to replenish my stock! And I bet a few more shooters will be shooting them next season when I go back.

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WOW !!! 110 yds . WOW!!! I can't even see that far.
I am glad you liked them!!!! Thank you so very much for sharing this.
Four years ago When I was first testing my original experimental turbos . I had built a home made shooting machine and I had decided to do some yardage tests at 20, 40, 60, and 80 yds. I had decided that if the prototypes would not at least match the performance of regular fletching I would not go through with the patent and just put the turbos up on a shelf. The test turbos out grouped at 20,40, 60 and when I got to 80 I shot the arrows and could hear them hit, but could not see them until I walked up to the target. It was a very very long walk. I thought a lot about my dad Teaching me to shoot when I was three years old and how he would stand behind me and coach me on my form and skills.
I felt like he was there walking with me to that target.
When I saw the 2 and 1/2 inch group I knew the TURBO would go.
When others start having the same "fun" as I did that day , all the hassles are worth it.
Somewhere up there my old man is smilin too.

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YA' 110 yards....we couldn't see real good either if they hit or not. But it was a really cool when you hear that "thump" as the arrow hit the target!:) It was all for fun, see the person I drove to the shoot and I tied, and we had to have a tie breaker. Well, we both hit the dang thing and didn't accomplish much by doing this, but is sure was fun. And we both got to say we hit a deer target at 110 yards.;)
Good luck with your Turbo's

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Amen to that! I would take my hat off to you, Nick, but the glare from my bald head is dangerous to the unshielded eye. [8D]

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You won't find a more stand up guy than Nick boys.

BearGuy...that's been the biggest asset with Turbos that I've seen is the decreased wind drift.

I did a 3D last year and the last shot was a 51 yarder with a 35mph crosswind. I had 3 with conventional 4" hellical and the same shafts with Turbos and shot both. Held 18" off to get it in the 8 with the Feathers...6" off with the Turbos. EVERYONE was amazed...including me. I knew they helped but I didn't know they cut THAT much.

Now...if I was a guy that hunted Antelope or Mulies out west int he plains states where the average shot was 40+ and the wind always blows...guess what the best bet would be;)

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Yep, after my last dealings with Nick, I would say he if a great guy with a great product there in the T-4's. None of us shooting in my group could believe how little drift I was having with these. Can't wait to try them out this fall on some game!;)

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My head is starting to swell!! Im not that nice!!!
Anyhow I am doing a lot of practicing with my setup I will be using to get a TURKEY this year. I reallly hate to fletch arrows, but to prove a point I am going to be using my New nock with some bohning blazers and some 55grain carbonrevolution broadheads. I am thinking of putting some muzzy grasshoppers behind the broadhead to keep it from passing throug.
Has anyone ever tried this???